Lawrence O'Donnell Reporting That There Was NO Incident Report Filed By Officer Wilson...

[WillyT]

No link... on MSNBC right now.

[ballyhoo]

1. What!? Are you shitting me?

[valerief]

2. Officer advised of 5th amendment right by lawyer.

[ballyhoo]

6. Oh, no...prepping for a circus. Mike Brown has to have

justice. I don't care what has to happen.

[valerief]

9. Not in America's affluenza courts. nt

[avebury]

10. There is not even a report by the PD of the incident prepared

by the investigators. There are a lot of people that need to be losing their jobs.

[JimDandy]

52. The report from the store referenced an incident report # on Michael's shooting.

And a report # from the county police department also. Something is not correct here.

ETA: sunnystar's post # 37 below has the actual paragraph with those report numbers. This is getting weird.

[avebury]

56. You mean the one with Michael Browns name, date

and homicide and the rest of the document was blank? That report?

[JimDandy]

57. No. The FPD report from the store incident refers to an FPD report # for the shooting.

See post 37 below. Sunnystar has the paragraph from that report.

[avebury]

61. The problem is that FPD has not released any incident report

for the shooting. The only one the released was the one prepared 2 days ago with name, date, and homicide and the rest is blank. The Former ATF guy on Lawrence O'Donnell's show stated that if the Supervisor and Chief of Police accepted it then they should be fired.

[JimDandy]

66. It sounds like a scrubbing operation has occured.

I hope the FBI and US Department Of Justice are going to question the FPD officer who wrote the store report. That report was written last week. It has a report # for the shooting that had to also have been created last week. As you said, the blank report was created on the Aug 19.

[HooptieWagon]

76. It also appears to me theres some scrubbing going on.

[cui bono]

22. I odn't think the 5th amendment applies to doing your damn job. n/t

[valerief]

25. There's so much wrong with Wilson's behavior. He might as well

have been wearing a white hood.

[wisteria]

72. Sure, Brown had every reason to attack the officer in the first place, because he was telling him

to do something he didn't want to do. Seems to me there was a lot wrong with Brown's behavior.

[cui bono]

73. So you think his murder was justified? n/t

[Stonepounder]

79. Of course his murder was justified!

He didn't say "Yes, massa" and "No, massa" in a properly subservient tone.

[valerief]

85. I suppose you're basing your opinion on Wilson's incident report. nt

[Rex]

3. Why would he? The PD was too busy helping him flee the scene.

No time to write an incident report! Had to pack up the wife and kids and get out of town! You want him to do his job, when he just shot someone and had to go find a place to hide!?

[deminks]

4. WTF?

That changes everything.

[hrmjustin]

5. Wow! I wonder if that can be used against him in the courts. I hope so.

[Loki]

7. Just heard this also.

Calling Governor Nixon in the am to demand a special prosecutor for this case. All people who live in Missouri should be making a call tomorrow. This makes me ill.

[Hoyt]

8. Keeps their concocted story fluid. If true, anyone involved should canned.

[Travis_0004]

11. Its not that uncommon

I live in a small town where we dont have special detectives. On major cases they call in the county immediately.

They do not file an incident report since they dont have any evidence.

In this case St Louis police did the investigation. They have an incident report. By usuing a different, larger department they can have more experienced officers do the investigation and there is less bias since the investigation officer is less lilely to know Wilson personally.

[PragmaticLiberal]

13. You may be right but Jim Cavanaugh (Former FBI investigator) seems to think this stinks.

[pinboy3niner]

14. Do you happen to know the timeline of the handoff?

I know Ferguson PD responded initially, then the Chief called the County and requested that they do the investigation. That appeared to happen pretty quickly, but I haven't seen a timeline that pins down when county took over and when they arrived on-scene.

[HooptieWagon]

15. As the ONLY officer on the scene at time of shooting...

...isn't it odd he didn't write a report? Where are the other officers getting the information to write their reports? If he's not performing his job as an officer, then he should no longer be considered an officer but a suspect.

[1StrongBlackMan]

24. Maybe your small town operates differently than most ...

an "incident report" requires no evidence/investigation ... it is the involved officer's recounting of what occurred AND the starting point of any investigation.

[Lex]

55. He has no idea what an incident report

even is, clearly.

[1StrongBlackMan]

64. Well ...

maybe his/her right-wing media outlet of choice failed to explain it. They just spun out that nonsense and he/she faithfully repeated it ... not realizing how silly it would make him/her look, after a minimal level of thought or knowledge.

I'm not calling troll; but has feathers, webbed feet, a bill, quacks, tastes good with plums, star anise and a red wine.

[Lex]

54. You don't even understand what an incident report is.

"They do not file an incident report since they dont have any evidence."

What?

[frylock]

69. there's ample evidence that an incident occurred that would merit a report..

this isn't Mayberry fucking RFD.

[sunnystarr]

86. Gee I guess that's why they managed

to file a 10 page incident report on the shoplifting, Puleeze.

[HooptieWagon]

12. I suspected as much.

The "official" PD story was changing way too much. Once an incident report is filed, they're married to that story. Right now, they're just making shit up as they go along.

Rather damning for Wilson. His job requires filing an incident report. If his first reaction is to clam up, he knows he's fucked.

[Travis_0004]

16. remaining silent does not imply guilt

He and everybody else in america has a right to remaon silent.

Also an incident report is filled out by a neutral party. Not an officer involved in the shooting.

[HooptieWagon]

19. If his job requires filing a report...

... and he refused to do so, then that silence is quite damning. If I'm an attorney or on the jury, first question I'm asking is "where's the fucking report?"

[Travis_0004]

28. probably in the hands of st. louis PD.

They led the investigation

[MohRokTah]

41. You're wrong. eom

[Ecumenist]

84. Why the hell are you stretching to justify what is CLEARLY a CORRUPT MURDERING

cop and the rest of the dept who are OBVIOUSLY in collusion? I'd like to see what would happen to you if you had a job that R-E-Q-U-I-R-E-D you to write reports and something like this happened. to save your Filthy DIRTY ass, you JUST DON'T FILE ONE? What would happen to most anyone ANYWHERE else? My brother is a LEO and they chuckled after a few choice words about how much of a job THEY WOULD NOT HAVE if they pulled this bullshit..... Small town, LARGE TOWN, BULLSHIT. We are STILL a nation of LAW...

[Lex]

31. He has a right not to incriminate himself in a court of law. Filling out a report for his job

is not testifying against himself in a court of law.

[cui bono]

74. Exactly what I said. Well, you expressed it better.

[Solomon]

23. Why don't you just stop it. How many excuses

are you going to come up with? You got answer for every fuck up this guy does. Do you really think we're that stupid? As the only officer on the scene he is the one to do the incident report. He's a fucking public servant. How the hell is somebody who wasn't there going to do the fucking incident report? Okay I tell you what. Anybody else doing the incident report has to talk to witnesses to make the report since the writer of the report wasn't there. Since as you assert Wilson has the right to remain silent, and won't talk, then the writer will have to write the report based upon the eyewitnesses all of whom say he shot at Brown as he was running away, and shot Brown several times when he tried to surrender. Therefore, based upon the "incident report", Wilson should be charged and arrested. And don't try some stupid shit like asserting Wilson can tell the writer what to put in the report. That would be utterly absurd.

[MohRokTah]

42. HE's been defending the murderer all along. eom

[HooptieWagon]

43. Yes, he has.

[Lex]

27. In a court of law silence doesn't imply guilt. Other times, not so much. nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

36. Are you in law enforcement? You are making ...

comments regarding "Incident Reports" that contradict my 25+ year of experience with investigations, including law enforcement reports.

I think you are just playing the expert on the internutz

[Bobbie Jo]

46. Now wait just a damn minute

If Wilson was acting in an official capacity and in accordance with his duties as a police officer, an official account of events should not be an issue.

And no, he does NOT have the right to remain silent in this instance. What a ridiculous statement.

[starroute]

63. The California Supreme Court just ruled that it can

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/08/15/court-silence-may-sometimes-show-guilt/

The California Supreme Court has ruled that the silence of suspects can be used against them.

Wading into a legally tangled vehicular manslaughter case, a sharply divided high court on Thursday effectively reinstated the felony conviction of a man accused in a 2007 San Francisco Bay Area crash that left an 8-year-old girl dead and her sister and mother injured.

Richard Tom was sentenced to seven years in prison for manslaughter after authorities said he was speeding and slammed into another vehicle at a Redwood City intersection.

Prosecutors repeatedly told jurors during the trial that Tom’s failure to ask about the victims immediately after the crash showed his guilt.

[blackspade]

77. Actually, that is not true.

Silence prior to being mirandized can be used against you thanks to the Robert's Court.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/12-246_7l48.pdf

[alfredo]

80. A California court has ruled that silence can be used against you.

[rhett o rick]

17. Thanks WillyT. This stinks. I think the DoJ has to sort this out. nm

[HooptieWagon]

20. DoJ damn well better be looking closely at DA.

That racist asshole is gonna try and fix the Grand Jury.

[rhett o rick]

21. Grand Juries are made for prosecutors. nm

[HooptieWagon]

30. Or in this case, defending a murderer.

DA can cherry pick the evidence presented to the Grand Jury. Past history of this DA is to protect bad cops. Very likely he only presents evidence that justifies Brown's murder... and refuse to present evidence that supports a murder charge.

[Calista241]

35. Feds can't just take over a local case.

All they can really do is see if Michael Browns civil rights were violated. Like they did in the Trayvon case.

The is no provision to take the state trial and make it a federal case.

[rhett o rick]

47. I am getting sick and tired of all the excuses. They can't do this, they cant do that.

I think they can do a lot more than you think.

[Calista241]

48. Yeah cause that's what we want.

What could possibly go wrong with the government making up new rules as they go along.

[rhett o rick]

49. Do you want them making up rules as they go along? I certainly don't. So why would

you bring it up. You try to make them out as powerless and you know better. Are you happy with what's going on?

[Calista241]

51. I want the cop to be convicted.

But if the government goes about changing all the rules for this case, the dude is going to walk.

How do you think a conviction is going to hold up on appeal if the prosecutor is forced to recuse? His attorneys are going to say we brought in a ringer, and convicted him come hell or high water.

[avebury]

18. The whole thing smacks of a conspiracy.

The DOJ really needs to go in and investigate this police department. It sure looks like that are a number of officials/officers that need to, at minimum, find themselves unemployed.

[Killeroctopus]

26. Dude.

Right when Lawrence reported that there was no police report, NBC.com released a story that basically said "Oh, it doesn't matter. That's common place. The county most likely did one."

That is weird.

[avebury]

53. Except it looks like the county has not done one. nt

[Killeroctopus]

65. NO it doesn't.

The prosecutor did not tell that reporter if he did or didn't have one. Also, I thought incident reports are for the police officer to write. When I was a security guard, we didn't write each others incident reports. The detectives do the dectiving right? Not the beat cops.

[sunnystarr]

87. The county did one ...

LO said it was filed 2 days ago, on Tuesday and that it was blank except for the name of the victim and the word "homicide." Wonder what happened to the first report filed?

[Lex]

59. Not commonplace

for police departments to not require an incident report from an officer who fired his weapon, much less one who fired his weapon and killed someone.

Maybe commonplace if your police department is run by the Chief like the wild west or something.

[ancianita]

29. Dereliction of duty. Lawyer's advice presumes an indictment. What a friggin' mess.

They hold off making a report, hoping a convergence of autopsy and eyewitness information can provide exculpatory basis for a "justified" ruling.


Glad to see O'Donnell giving the New York Times holy hell about the "differ sharply" bullshit that, as a newspaper 'of record,' helps cast doubt on ALL eyewitnesses.

What a friggin' mess.

[HooptieWagon]

33. If his first action was to call a lawyer...

before even writing a job-required report, then he knows hes guilty of murder.

[ancianita]

38. Hell, yes! Self evident.

[Lars39]

40. His cell phone records should be quite revealing.

[world wide wally]

32. If a student hurts his pinky in my science classroom, I have to fill out an incident report.

Must be a lot different in Ferguson, Mo.

[cal04]

34. Witness: Michael Brown was about 25 feet away from the officer

Witness Michael Brady says #MichaelBrown was about 25 feet away from the officer when the final shots were fired.
https://twitter.com/TheLastWord/status/502648543580925952




He is describing someone who's already neutralized as a threat
https://twitter.com/TheLastWord/status/502648543580925952/photo/1

[sunnystarr]

37. The Ferguson PD gives Incident Report Numbers

when an incident report wasn't written up by police officers. How else can they explain this from the strong armed shoplifting incident report:



This scrubbing is so Wilson can create an account of the incident that fits the eye witness and autopsy report.

[Lars39]

45. Oh, my.

That must have been overlooked.

[TriplD]

50. Something tells me they won't be able to find report #2014-12391

nt

[HooptieWagon]

62. Wow. That implicates the PD in a conspiracy.

Obstruction of justice, destroying evidence, violation of civil rights, and aiding and abetting after a crime. Things might get pretty warm for the chief.

[JimDandy]

68. This is getting bizarre. The conspiracy would have to include

the officer who wrote the incident report from the store, then. What is his name? Anyone know?

[HooptieWagon]

71. No. The cop writing the store report...

... would not have known the shooting report was missing/destroyed. He may not have even added the reference # for the shooting report... that could have been done by a file clerk.

If a shooting report was written, and then goes missing/destroyed, it was done by someone in the file dept, or who had access to the file dept, or by orders of a superior. This is pretty suspicious, and I expect FBI will start rattling some cages.

[sunnystarr]

88. His name was redacted

But he did respond to the Michael Brown scene. He stated that in his incident report and confirmed that MB was the same person as the person in the store video.

[bananas]

70. Thanks for finding that - it's on page 7 or 8 of the pdf

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/08/15/ferguson-police-report.pdf

[sunnystarr]

89. Tnanks for posting this

I had saved it to my computer when I saw it online but didn't save the site.

[Triloon]

39. if he is the acting officer and refuses

to file an incident report, maybe he can be arrested and held for Obstruction of Justice?

[99th_Monkey]

60. One would think

but then then there has not been a lot of thinking going on by Ferguson officialdom.

[HooptieWagon]

67. Probably not.

Writing an incident report is not a legal requirement, its a job requirement. He can refuse to do his job, and risk losing it, although it certainly makes him look guilty.

OTOH, the incident report for the alleged robbery notes an incident report number for the shooting. Would a report number be issued to a report never written? I dont know. But, if a report WAS written, and then destroyed b/c it didn't agree with witness accounts or the cop obviously lied, then whoever destroyed the report could be charged with several crimes.

[Killeroctopus]

44. The county prosecutor didn't say if there was an incident report when he talked to NBC.com

That's an easy thing to confirm, right?

[TheNutcracker]

58. Arrest him N O W ! He's trying to creat fake medical records to boot!

[wisteria]

75. And, you have evidence to back up your claim- right? Or are you just making assumptions not based

on facts. Sure, in your world, everything the officers says is a lie, but everything everyone else says is the God's truth. Did you ever think for a minute that this officer did not want to inflict harm on Brown? And, that officers in general are to protect us, not harm us?

[bravenak]

78. This is a joke, everyone!

It has to be.

Cops are liars. Especially if you are black. And by the by, the cop has said NOTHING!!! And what is YOUR evidence that cops are here to protect US? They are not here to protect me. Or many other black people.

[blackspade]

81. You forgot the sarcasm thingy....

I hope....

[progree]

83. See Wisteria's post #72 -- he's either got quite a sense of humor, or ...?

[font color=red]Edited to Add:[/font]
Here it is in full to save people from hunting for it:

72. Sure, Brown had every reason to attack the officer in the first place, because he was telling him
to do something he didn't want to do. Seems to me there was a lot wrong with Brown's behavior.

[HooptieWagon]

82. Shooting Brown 6 times isn't intending to harm him?

Wow.... denial runs deep in you.

[uppityperson]

90. Wilson did not want to harm Brown, so shot him multiple times?

wtf?

[TheKentuckian]

91. Fluff the Police!

[Stellar]

92. Here is the link from last night show.

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word