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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 03:10 PM Aug 2014

Hillary Clinton Blasts ‘Unfair’ World Reaction Over Gaza, Cites Anti-Semitism As Factor



Former US secretary of state and potential presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton issued a staunch defense of Israel over its conduct of the war against Hamas, placed full ultimate responsibility on Hamas for the deaths of children and other innocent people, and defended Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s insistence on maintaining security control in the West Bank in the next few years.

In an interview published Sunday by Jeffrey Goldberg for The Atlantic, she also urged an “overarching” US strategy to confront Islamic terrorism, equating this struggle to the one the US waged against communism.

She spoke of the “failure” that arose from the Obama administration’s decision not to aid the initial uprising against Syria’s President Bashar Assad, which created a vacuum now filled by jihadists.

And overall, she indicated that she considered President Barack Obama’s approach to foreign policy to be too cautious. Responding to Obama’s self-described foreign policy doctrine of: “Don’t do stupid shit,” Clinton, who served as his top diplomat for four years between 2009 and 2013, said: “Great nations need organizing principles, and ‘Don’t do stupid stuff’ is not an organizing principle.”

Goldberg judged that Clinton indicated that she does intend to run for the presidency when, after he said to her that he felt the US, on balance, has done a good job of advancing the cause of freedom, she responded: “That’s how I feel! Maybe this is old-fashioned… I’m about to find out, in more ways than one.”

Read more: http://www.timesofisrael.com/hillary-clinton-blasts-unfair-world-reaction-over-gaza-cites-anti-semitism-as-factor/#ixzz3A1PoPgha


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Hillary Clinton Blasts ‘Unfair’ World Reaction Over Gaza, Cites Anti-Semitism As Factor (Original Post) Purveyor Aug 2014 OP
Oh gawd! bravenak Aug 2014 #1
It's only beginning. n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #28
The distancing from Obama has accelerated. JaydenD Aug 2014 #2
and anyone who isn't her biggest fan is what, a raging sexist pig? NightWatcher Aug 2014 #3
Party unity my ass! tularetom Aug 2014 #4
She is going after the repubbie vote. JaydenD Aug 2014 #6
Repubbie - the word just does not work for me. Mira Aug 2014 #11
How some feminsts can support this person JaydenD Aug 2014 #5
Because they only see one thing. Ikonoklast Aug 2014 #49
Will definitely not be supporting her in the primaries. hifiguy Aug 2014 #7
Repulsive stance on the genocide perpetrated by Israel. AtomicKitten Aug 2014 #8
GOTV! frylock Aug 2014 #9
Yeah, well, she signed on to, and cheered, Bush's wars too. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #10
Not from this one. No more. Autumn Aug 2014 #23
She's a neocon! betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #12
^^^^^^^^.. sendero Aug 2014 #14
A good many people in the military Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #27
I shudder to think what her "organizing principle" would be if she gets to be POTUS. KittyWampus Aug 2014 #13
military dickwaving to prove her toughness elehhhhna Aug 2014 #25
Nor will I. Not in the primary, or the general election. peacebird Aug 2014 #43
"... equating this struggle to the one the US waged against communism." DanTex Aug 2014 #15
Bob Dylan's response to HRC is mine also ... GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #16
Ugh. Owl Aug 2014 #17
It's rather disgustingly cynical for her... Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #18
Times of Israel? oberliner Aug 2014 #19
LOL. So the "Times of Israel" is taboo now eh? I'll check there more Purveyor Aug 2014 #20
Well, there goes my 2016 vote. Crunchy Frog Aug 2014 #21
I don't know what the hell I'm going to do come 2016. The good thing is Purveyor Aug 2014 #22
It's looking increasingly like IDemo Aug 2014 #24
President Carter was my first and most proudest vote also. First time since Purveyor Aug 2014 #32
U guys...this is nothing new Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #26
Couldn't agree more! tritsofme Aug 2014 #29
From 2006 alsame Aug 2014 #30
Who here thinks they are promoting another candidate by trashing Hillary? Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #31
You ought to do a poll. This would be a good one, indeed. eom Purveyor Aug 2014 #33
I read the post here, doesn't sound like a Democrat site at times. For thosecwho are not going Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #35
I suspect that most troops will rally after the 2016 primaries even if our Purveyor Aug 2014 #38
Take a look at her stand on issues Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #40
Bag that. Nobody else is acting like they're entitled to the nomination. elehhhhna Aug 2014 #57
Nobody is acting like they are entitled the nomintion. Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #60
Nothing Really New Liberal_Dog Aug 2014 #34
At least she has voted for DNC candidates during her life. Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #36
Feel Free To Defend Hillary's Foreign Policy Positions If You Wish Liberal_Dog Aug 2014 #42
Thank you Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #45
That is correct. JaydenD Aug 2014 #58
No surprise there. 99Forever Aug 2014 #37
Everyone is out of step but the good ole US of A and Israel and any criticism of Israel's indepat Aug 2014 #39
Let us hope the voters finally 'get it' also. I know the younger ones are. eom Purveyor Aug 2014 #41
Well....That Settles It! A vote for Hillary/Bill TwoFer...is a Vote for Bibi! KoKo Aug 2014 #44
Bottom line is DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #46
A lot will depend on who the GOP puts up. Romney scares the hell out of Purveyor Aug 2014 #47
ffs we are wishing that the stupidest people are running? elehhhhna Aug 2014 #59
That's it for me Mrs. Clinton. I have NO confidence in your ladjf Aug 2014 #48
She should convert to Judaism n/t n2doc Aug 2014 #50
I wish Hillary would just go away. bigwillq Aug 2014 #51
and what about those who are anti-gaza? oldandhappy Aug 2014 #52
Man, I hope Bernie Sanders runs. kysrsoze Aug 2014 #53
So it looks like the Democrats won't have a candidate next year? PoutrageFatigue Aug 2014 #54
Clinton and Netanyahu Stellar Aug 2014 #55
What the... tallahasseedem Aug 2014 #56
So ...uhm ...am I still going to be attacked for saying I will never vote for Hillary? L0oniX Aug 2014 #61
She is too steeped in the usual rationalizations for murder. Vattel Aug 2014 #62
I will not vote for her, even if she is the nominee. Marrah_G Aug 2014 #63
 

JaydenD

(294 posts)
2. The distancing from Obama has accelerated.
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 03:15 PM
Aug 2014

I'm a bit surprised at the caustic nature of it but I suppose they are still smarting over the upset in 2008 and hold grudges for a long while.

Very progressive of her, isn't it?

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
3. and anyone who isn't her biggest fan is what, a raging sexist pig?
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 03:18 PM
Aug 2014

People can dislike actions taken without being anti-semites.

We cannot happen to dislike her because of statements like these? It must be because we are sexist? That is a cop out.

Wow, I hope someone else runs from our side (Ha!).

Mira

(22,376 posts)
11. Repubbie - the word just does not work for me.
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 03:39 PM
Aug 2014

But your sentiment does make sense, and the calculated dishonesty implied in her method cramps my gut

 

JaydenD

(294 posts)
5. How some feminsts can support this person
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 03:22 PM
Aug 2014

and call her a woman of peace and protector of women and children around the world.

How can one overlook these massive hints as to who she really is protecting?

I am flabbergasted.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
8. Repulsive stance on the genocide perpetrated by Israel.
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 03:30 PM
Aug 2014

Not even a second thought for the hundreds of children dead in Gaza. Shame on her.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
10. Yeah, well, she signed on to, and cheered, Bush's wars too.
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 03:33 PM
Aug 2014

And, will be given a pass by her admirers for this too.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
12. She's a neocon!
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 03:44 PM
Aug 2014

She is big friends with Robert Kagan and encouraged Obama to hire Victoria Nuland. There is nothing appealing about her foreign policy experience either, so I don't know why she thinks this is the only issue she should talk about.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
14. ^^^^^^^^..
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 03:48 PM
Aug 2014

..... plain as the nose on her face but the denial runs deep around here. We need another neocon president like we need a hole in the head.

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
25. military dickwaving to prove her toughness
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 06:32 PM
Aug 2014

she's made that clear

craven, cynical, and entitled

I will not vote for her.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
15. "... equating this struggle to the one the US waged against communism."
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 03:51 PM
Aug 2014

Well, she's kinda right in one sense: the US did a lot of horrible things in the name of fighting communism.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
18. It's rather disgustingly cynical for her...
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 05:57 PM
Aug 2014

to conflate Palestinian resistance to Israeli occupation and "Islamic terrorism". And the USA wonders why the Palestinians don't trust it as a negotiating partner in peace talks with Israel.

It's also pretty disgusting of her to jump to "anti-Semitism" as the cause of criticisms of Israel. Maybe Israel is criticised because it claims to be a liberal democracy whilst maintaining an occupation regime that many observers have likened to apartheid and thumbing its nose at international law. Which is really more shocking: that a brutal authoritarian regime engages in military action that results in thousands of deaths of civilians, or that the self-proclaimed "only democracy in the Middle East" does it, while claiming all the while to stand for Western values?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
19. Times of Israel?
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 05:58 PM
Aug 2014

That's the source you are going with?

How about maybe a link to the actual interview which is grossly misrepresented here by the right wing news source that you are posting from for some reason?

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
20. LOL. So the "Times of Israel" is taboo now eh? I'll check there more
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 06:03 PM
Aug 2014

frequently then if that is the case...

Of course you know I post 'outside of the box' or at least you would have if the previous Oberliner would have briefed you properly.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
22. I don't know what the hell I'm going to do come 2016. The good thing is
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 06:20 PM
Aug 2014

it is a long way off and lots of things can happen between now and then.

"Keep hope alive"!

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
24. It's looking increasingly like
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 06:23 PM
Aug 2014

for the first time since my vote for Carter in '76, I won't be voting for a presidential candidate in 2016. Not that a Democratic vote means squat in this flaming red state, anyway.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
32. President Carter was my first and most proudest vote also. First time since
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 06:58 PM
Aug 2014

then that I didn't vote in the Michigan primary this past Tuesday.

There really wasn't anyone that really needed my vote but I'll damn sure be at the polls in November unless prospective US Senator Gary Peters takes a 'junket/pilgrimage' to israel and has photo-ops with Bibi.

This is a Senate seat (Levins') we really need to keep!

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
26. U guys...this is nothing new
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 06:35 PM
Aug 2014

During the 2008 primaries she talked about obliterating Iran.

She's uber-hawk for sure.

alsame

(7,784 posts)
30. From 2006
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 06:49 PM
Aug 2014

Clinton Vows to Back Israel in Latest Mideast Conflict
By PATRICK HEALY
Published: July 18, 2006

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton said yesterday that she supported “whatever steps are necessary” to defend Israel against Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran and Syria in the military conflict in the Middle East.

Addressing a crowd of several thousand in Midtown at an impassioned rally for Israel, she said America must show “solidarity and support” for Israel in the face of the “unwarranted, unprovoked” seizure of three Israeli soldiers by members of Hamas and Hezbollah, which she described as among “the new totalitarians of the 21st century.”

“We will stand with Israel because Israel is standing for American values as well as Israeli ones,” said Mrs. Clinton, who joined two dozen political and religious leaders on a stage a few blocks from the United Nations headquarters on the East Side.

Bringing the threat home, she compared Israel’s military response, which has included heavy bombardment of Lebanon, to a theoretical response by the United States if it faced attacks from neighboring countries. “I want us here in New York to imagine, if extremist terrorists were launching rocket attacks across the Mexican or Canadian border, would we stand by or would we defend America against these attacks from extremists?” she said to roars of approval.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/18/nyregion/18hillary.html?_r=0


Right out of the playbook.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
31. Who here thinks they are promoting another candidate by trashing Hillary?
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 06:56 PM
Aug 2014

RW talking points should be left to Rush and Sean.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
35. I read the post here, doesn't sound like a Democrat site at times. For thosecwho are not going
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 07:05 PM
Aug 2014

Vote for the DNC candidate will be contributing to the GOP vote wise. There isn't a perfect candidate but we need to present a strong candidate.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
38. I suspect that most troops will rally after the 2016 primaries even if our
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 07:10 PM
Aug 2014

candidate is hillary.

Between now and then, she isn't going to have a easy ride with we liberals...not at all, especially with the shit that is coming out of her and her husbands mouth.

They both need an 'intervention', imo.



Liberal_Dog

(11,075 posts)
42. Feel Free To Defend Hillary's Foreign Policy Positions If You Wish
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 07:21 PM
Aug 2014

Or keep on tossing "Party Loyalty" at everyone.

Your choice.

 

JaydenD

(294 posts)
58. That is correct.
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 06:09 PM
Aug 2014

It is a shame she has fooled so many with her phony words about caring for people and their struggles. She is not a good person.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
37. No surprise there.
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 07:09 PM
Aug 2014

Precisely in line with her character. As I have said for a very long time, I will never support or vote for her. This is a perfect example of why.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
39. Everyone is out of step but the good ole US of A and Israel and any criticism of Israel's
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 07:17 PM
Aug 2014

right-wing policies, their wholesale slaughter of brown people using American-supplied advanced weaponry is anti-semitic. Thanks Hillary. By George W., I think I finally got it.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
44. Well....That Settles It! A vote for Hillary/Bill TwoFer...is a Vote for Bibi!
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 07:27 PM
Aug 2014

YES! Let's get that vote out RIGHT NOW....More and Better Democrats....Make Sure you are signed up for 2014 and 16 and FIGHT BACK against Gerrymandering and Koch Brothers so that AMERICAN VOTERS CAN VOTE FOR: "THE TWINS!" with a THIRD!

"Hillary/Bill" (Two Experienced for the Price of One) and make sure that BiBi is written IN on the Ballot if you don't want the TWO FER! If you vote for "Hillary/Bill" he is "Included in your Packaged Price" ...but, Just in Case!

Sorry....a little OTT about this. How can anyone expect this to be a Winning Platform unless the Tea Partiers figure Bill & Hillary are working to Fulfill "Revelations Predictions" from the Old Testament Bible!



DonCoquixote

(13,611 posts)
46. Bottom line is
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 07:47 PM
Aug 2014

For all those who think Hillary is a liberal, the fact remains, she has made it clear whose side she is NOT on. Let's face it, if Hillary, even in the spirit of outright cynical demagouery, said she would make Bibi play nice, she would have golden palms laid at her feet. She won't.

Do not get me wrong, I know that until at least two of the current right wing scotus are out, by whatever means needed, we cannot let any GOP come within smell distance of the Oval Office. but do not be surprised if that money runs really dry come donation time.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
47. A lot will depend on who the GOP puts up. Romney scares the hell out of
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 07:54 PM
Aug 2014

me this time around and can easily beat Hillary, imo.

We all should be hoping for a Cruz, Perry or Paul to level the playing field.

Hmmm...that would be a good name for the "gospel singing group".

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
48. That's it for me Mrs. Clinton. I have NO confidence in your
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 09:08 AM
Aug 2014

integrity. It's going to be bitter pill for me if I have to vote for you in the future.

kysrsoze

(5,986 posts)
53. Man, I hope Bernie Sanders runs.
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 11:15 AM
Aug 2014

We REALLY need pressure from the left. Of course he probably won't get any coverage from the press

 

PoutrageFatigue

(416 posts)
54. So it looks like the Democrats won't have a candidate next year?
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 11:20 AM
Aug 2014

Just two versions of republicans?

That's just peachy...

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
56. What the...
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 11:42 AM
Aug 2014

Hell? I have been an outspoken supporter, but this is getting ridiculous.

Maybe she should ask Al Gore how distancing himself from the sitting Democratic President during his election worked out for him?

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
62. She is too steeped in the usual rationalizations for murder.
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 07:50 PM
Aug 2014

I will not vote for her even in the general. Obama is bad enough on military policy. We don't need someone worse.

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