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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 06:05 AM Aug 2014

Weight gain in the American population 1960-2000

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad347.pdf

The definitive data are in the above paper. I used the Excel chart function to see how the numbers came out visually. What really jumped out at me was that the crucial dividing year was 1980. Any discussion of possible causes must use this year as a reference. The internet was not in widespread use until the late 90s, so that isn't it. What about HCFS? Was 1980 a turning point of some sort nutritionally? One obvious point to make is that that year is the start of the destruction of the American middle class.

The NHANES studiess are by decade--1960, 1970, 1980, 1990 and 2000. Do a linear regression on 1960, 1970 and 1980, and then on 1980, 1990, and 2000. You get pretty straight lines as indicated by the correlation coefficients. The slopes are an indication of the rate of increase in average weight gain.

Men 1960-1980
Slope = 3.75
R2 = 0.7899

Women 1960-1980
Slope = 2.56
R2 = 0.9204

Men 1980-2000
Slope = 8.6
R2 = 1.000

Women 1980-2000
Slope = 9.4
R2 = 0.9976

For men, after 1980 the rate of increase increased by a factor of 2.3 times.
For women, after 1980 the rate of increase increased by a factor of 3.6 times.
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Weight gain in the American population 1960-2000 (Original Post) eridani Aug 2014 OP
Schools cutting out "real lunches" and gym classes SoCalDem Aug 2014 #1
Is there any actual data on that? n/t eridani Aug 2014 #2
My kids, I guess.. SoCalDem Aug 2014 #3
Our country completely changed since 1960 yeoman6987 Aug 2014 #77
TV remote controls become common? bklyncowgirl Aug 2014 #4
TV remote controls, cable television, VCRs, microwaves Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #6
TIVO Skittles Aug 2014 #9
Remotes before 1980 were not the techie wonders that they are now. eridani Aug 2014 #7
My parents got their first remote control in the early '80s when they got cable TV bklyncowgirl Aug 2014 #90
Well, even back then people found ways around it laundry_queen Aug 2014 #46
Ronald Reagan? riderinthestorm Aug 2014 #5
That would be my first choice. Also, obesity is linked with poverty in affluent societies eridani Aug 2014 #8
Agreed. See post #10, below. n/t Laelth Aug 2014 #12
after all he did claim that katchup was a vegetable. Javaman Aug 2014 #21
Cortisol. Laelth Aug 2014 #10
Interesting. CanSocDem Aug 2014 #20
I love the way you look at the world. Laelth Aug 2014 #41
Stress is a big factor marions ghost Aug 2014 #35
Add some pipi_k Aug 2014 #47
In a similar vein... caraher Aug 2014 #55
Spot on. Thanks. n/t Laelth Aug 2014 #59
Grossly unequal distribution of wealth seems to hifiguy Aug 2014 #60
What's really remarkable in Wilkinson & Pickett's work caraher Aug 2014 #69
It's basic common sense. hifiguy Aug 2014 #71
People in "fairer" nations have more leisure time SoCalDem Aug 2014 #86
This is excellent. Do you have a URL? eridani Aug 2014 #91
Here are a few caraher Aug 2014 #96
And regarding the link to obesity... caraher Aug 2014 #98
I'm wondering if this coincides with ... surrealAmerican Aug 2014 #11
the suburbs themselves changed as well in the 80s--they were easier to invest in MisterP Aug 2014 #61
It would be interesting to see a comparison ... surrealAmerican Aug 2014 #65
Two 1980 factors. Corn sugar replaced real sugar in soft drinks and we got Nutrasweet. McCamy Taylor Aug 2014 #13
Thank you! BuelahWitch Aug 2014 #16
I am certain that has more than a little to do with it. hifiguy Aug 2014 #28
The body recognizes fructose as food but absorbs it more easily than other sugars (sucrose, lactose) KurtNYC Aug 2014 #34
Correlation does not equal causation eridani Aug 2014 #94
No, they tested the mechanism after the found the correlation KurtNYC Aug 2014 #110
^^THIS^^ But also add the introduction of the two-liter bottle of soft drinks Turn CO Blue Aug 2014 #49
Are you sure that 1980 was the key year for HFCS? n/t eridani Aug 2014 #93
The size of the portions when eating out newfie11 Aug 2014 #14
Irrelevant. Who says that diners actually eat all of it? eridani Aug 2014 #95
I'm not so sure newfie11 Aug 2014 #107
Interesting. Thanks for posting. cwydro Aug 2014 #15
None of this has been fat shaming Warpy Aug 2014 #85
The OP was actually about vastly higher rates of population weight gain after 1980 as eridani Aug 2014 #97
This is great stuff, I don't know why this post isn't getting more recs BuelahWitch Aug 2014 #17
Unhealthiness is profitable to well-heeled private interests, so we subsidize unhealthiness. Romulox Aug 2014 #18
1980..the year USDA declared war on fat and cholesterol workinclasszero Aug 2014 #19
I believe this is correct. nt Dreamer Tatum Aug 2014 #24
It's also right around the time food companies started using HFCS Fawke Em Aug 2014 #31
Yes sir....HFCS is the lead killer sugar in the SAD... workinclasszero Aug 2014 #38
I try to stay on the Paelo diet as much as possible Fawke Em Aug 2014 #111
Agreed BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #40
Great post workinclasszero Aug 2014 #43
Ever wonder why restaurants serve you bread the minute you sit down? GliderGuider Aug 2014 #50
Bingo! workinclasszero Aug 2014 #82
That's where I'd point the finger as well. GliderGuider Aug 2014 #42
Well said BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #45
My primary go-to book on nutrition science is Gary Taubes' "Good Calories, Bad Calories" GliderGuider Aug 2014 #48
It is unfortunately corporate money and it is the rot in our society BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #57
Thanks. I've heard of the Price book, but don't have it. GliderGuider Aug 2014 #64
It's sometimes hard to find, try your library, but well worth the read BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #80
The Gutenberg Project has it. GliderGuider Aug 2014 #92
That's great! BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #104
This one has the photos GliderGuider Aug 2014 #105
And since the state of your teeth reflects the state of your bones... BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #106
And don't get me started on Statins! BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #58
Red Yeast Rice Extract, the natural source of all statins has been around McCamy Taylor Aug 2014 #73
That's interesting BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #81
and nothing ever keeps the grim reaper away forever SoCalDem Aug 2014 #87
My parents are both suffering because their doctor is an incurious idiot. tridim Aug 2014 #101
You know, another thing.. cwydro Aug 2014 #22
And when I see folks who look healthy Lifelong Protester Aug 2014 #56
I truly hate leaf blowers. cwydro Aug 2014 #62
Very true! Lifelong Protester Aug 2014 #74
I had to use one when I had a house. hifiguy Aug 2014 #108
Another factor: The rise of all-day snacking and the growth of the availability of Arugula Latte Aug 2014 #23
That, and thirst was quenched with simple water, not soda pop Brother Buzz Aug 2014 #26
Maybe early 90s? Arugula Latte Aug 2014 #27
I remember being thirsty, often, and trudging on Brother Buzz Aug 2014 #32
My 1991 Volvo wagon had no cupholders. MineralMan Aug 2014 #53
That's crazy! Arugula Latte Aug 2014 #88
I know. It did seat seven. MineralMan Aug 2014 #89
Fortunately, rates have leveled off in the past 10 years. Brickbat Aug 2014 #25
I'll say cable TV. Before cable, was 'channel surfing' a thing? redqueen Aug 2014 #29
Good point. nt cwydro Aug 2014 #30
Sort of. But once there were only four or five channels hifiguy Aug 2014 #37
The constant, all day long, non-stop marketing of crap food to us . . . Lex Aug 2014 #33
I know cwydro Aug 2014 #44
Yes, we can turn it down, but . . . Lex Aug 2014 #51
Would be interesting to see the last 8 years added KurtNYC Aug 2014 #36
I honestly can not remember the last time I drank soda, but closeupready Aug 2014 #67
My "vote" is for HFCS. Whatever the reason, you can bet we're fatter due to some ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #39
Keep on subsidizing corn (cheap sugar substitute) and red meat. Dawson Leery Aug 2014 #52
keep on subsidizing cheap food grown with agrotoxins, inhumane treatment of animals wordpix Aug 2014 #76
HFCS causes diabetes myth vs science PasadenaTrudy Aug 2014 #54
Thanks so much: I get all my scientific facts from blogs!!! TheSarcastinator Aug 2014 #63
You are very welcome! PasadenaTrudy Aug 2014 #68
I will blame it on people not smoking. dilby Aug 2014 #66
probably a combination of easily available junk food and TV, Video Games, Computers JI7 Aug 2014 #70
Another thing happened in the 1970's Ruby the Liberal Aug 2014 #72
I've heard that sourdough bread is easier to digest Blue_In_AK Aug 2014 #75
There are gluten free sourdough recipies out there Ruby the Liberal Aug 2014 #83
I think it might have been Norman Borlaug. hifiguy Aug 2014 #109
Yes - thank you! Ruby the Liberal Aug 2014 #112
I'll weigh in with this tidbit. I was just thinking the other day about 4 ounce juice glasses. snagglepuss Aug 2014 #78
As for carbs--please be careful not vilify them all! pink-o Aug 2014 #79
Forced busing, and the death of neighborhood schools ... JEFF9K Aug 2014 #84
Took this photo (among many similar others) in Karlsruhe/Germany last week Mira Aug 2014 #99
It boils down to portion sizes growing and food becoming more calorie-dense and tastier. Marr Aug 2014 #100
I gained quite a bit of weight between 1960 and 2000. (nt) stone space Aug 2014 #102
Aspartame probably plays a role. GliderGuider Aug 2014 #103

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
1. Schools cutting out "real lunches" and gym classes
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 07:06 AM
Aug 2014

coupled with the fast-food explosion..Until the 80's most schools probably still had lunch-ladies who cooked real food..

Junk foods also really came into their own about then too..

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
3. My kids, I guess..
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 07:25 AM
Aug 2014

and with us moving from state to state ..Our towns until then did not have fast food joints..

I still remember how excited our boys were when we got a Mc Donalds... It was around 1984.. Our town has grown, but we now have a fast food place on practically every corner ... and a shortage of "real
restaurants

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
77. Our country completely changed since 1960
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 07:29 PM
Aug 2014

For one thing we are way more diverse and different cultures have different body types. This is not hard to figure out. Technology and taking gym out of schools didn't help. Parents sent their kids with lunches was way better. So many reasons.

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
4. TV remote controls become common?
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 07:35 AM
Aug 2014

I don't know, I just thought I'd throw it in. Even just getting up and walking across the room is exercise.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
7. Remotes before 1980 were not the techie wonders that they are now.
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 07:41 AM
Aug 2014

But they certainly existed.. Looking for real information as to what was common after 1980, but not before. Anecdotes don't cut it.

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
90. My parents got their first remote control in the early '80s when they got cable TV
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:35 AM
Aug 2014

By that time high end TVs were coming out with them as a standard feature.

Most people got them through their cable providers. It was actually wired to the set--or rather the cable box--and you had to pay for it. Comcast had wireless models but they cost more.

When the cable companies began giving them away with out charge they became much more common.

Cable TV, Ah yes, here's another technological wonder to keep us in our recliners--cable TV. As Bruce Springsteen wrote a few years later "57 Channels and Nothing On." But with a remote you can keep on changing the channel until something catches your interest long enough to watch a commercial. The only reason to get up is to get beer, chips, soda and all the other snacky munchy food guaranteed to expand your waistline.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
46. Well, even back then people found ways around it
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 01:37 PM
Aug 2014

my dad used to park himself on the floor in front of the tv, because he was a 'flipper'. We have pictures of him laying on his side in front of the tv, with his rum and coke parked on the carpet beside him. He'd change channels constantly. clickclickclickclickclick. LOL drove my mom nuts. He didn't have to walk across the room, because the tv was right there. I don't think he was the only one. Or, he'd get us kids to go change the channel for him. I think that technique was probably pretty common in families, LOL.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
5. Ronald Reagan?
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 07:39 AM
Aug 2014

I got nothing really. That's just the first thing that jumped into my head.

I know chronic stress is implicated in weight gain. So maybe Reaganomics really is a factor?

eridani

(51,907 posts)
8. That would be my first choice. Also, obesity is linked with poverty in affluent societies
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 07:43 AM
Aug 2014

Average Americans have become significantly poorer since then.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
10. Cortisol.
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 07:55 AM
Aug 2014

Stress causes increased levels of cortisol. Cortisol causes the body to store fat.

As life gets harder and harder in the United States (as it has since 1981), and as Americans become more stressed, it is not difficult to imagine that our bodies are dealing with this stress by jacking-up our cortisol levels ... thereby making us all fatter.

I am neither a doctor, nor a scientist, but that's my operative theory.



-Laelth

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
20. Interesting.
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 09:31 AM
Aug 2014


All my skinny high school friends started putting on the pounds right after they got married. I always thought the real "stress" was in trying to look good as a potential mate and once that was accomplished, looking 'trim' was less important.

I'm neither married nor fat. And, it doesn't "stress" me out to realize I may have got this one all wrong.


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pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
47. Add some
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 01:41 PM
Aug 2014

age to that, along with mobility issues (leading to not being to exercise) and you've got the perfect recipe for weight gain.

I actually eat LESS now (and healthier) than I did in my 20s and 30s, but various things have come together to make me the Goodyear blimp I am today.

sucks big time



caraher

(6,278 posts)
55. In a similar vein...
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 02:23 PM
Aug 2014

The argument put forth in The Spirit Level is that inequality drives the stress, which in turn drives many ills including weight gain (and they point to animal models where monkeys with lower social status not only have elevated cortisol but tend to gain abdominal weight).

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
60. Grossly unequal distribution of wealth seems to
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 03:03 PM
Aug 2014

have not one positive correlation in society-wide terms. Gee, I wonder why...

caraher

(6,278 posts)
69. What's really remarkable in Wilkinson & Pickett's work
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 05:26 PM
Aug 2014

is how robust the correlation between inequality and a vast multitude of ills really is, and how little those problems are related to absolute wealth in nations that have reached some minimum level of physical comfort.

Another remarkable lesson is that more equal societies are healthier for everybody, even the people at the top. So our 1%ers are really working against their own best interest, too, when they gobble up ever-increasing shares of wealth. If only they could be persuaded to look at the facts...

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
71. It's basic common sense.
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 05:31 PM
Aug 2014

Money is like manure - it's no good unless it is spread around. In a pile it sits there and stinks to no purpose, spread around it can help improve everyone's lot.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
86. People in "fairer" nations have more leisure time
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 08:16 PM
Aug 2014

and when people are not chasing every opportunity to get a little more money to pay the bills, they also have time to tend to their needs..like exercise/real food preparation/vacations etc.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
91. This is excellent. Do you have a URL?
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 08:38 AM
Aug 2014

Solid evidence for 1980 as the point in time when inequality really started to increase.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
96. Here are a few
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 09:47 AM
Aug 2014

Apparently Piketty has a nice chart that pegs 1980 or so as crucial (this is share of income for the top 1%).

The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities seems to use 1979 as a key year for when income inequality started to surge.



Emmanuel Saez also notices a similar timeline



A standard measure of inequality is the Gini coefficient. It looks a bit different from the share taken by the top 1% but the basic trend is similar:


caraher

(6,278 posts)
98. And regarding the link to obesity...
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 09:53 AM
Aug 2014

This is the actual web page my previous graphic comes from.

Apparently The Spirit Level made a big splash in the UK, less so here, but is well worth reading. Not everything in it is entirely convincing, but there are so many trends between inequality and social ills that it's hard to imagine they're not on to something important.

surrealAmerican

(11,360 posts)
11. I'm wondering if this coincides with ...
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 08:01 AM
Aug 2014

... the point at which more Americans lived in suburbs than in cities.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
61. the suburbs themselves changed as well in the 80s--they were easier to invest in
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 03:11 PM
Aug 2014

(like in the 2000s), so their structure and architecture started to shift--towards really big homes far from everything except maybe a Big Box, in a big mat rather than around a little cluster: the suburbs quickly lost what had made them so attractive (lawns and picture windows that invited you outside (and the outside in), a candy shop just around the corner, streets kids can cross safely); in the 80s Culdesackia hypertrophied and burst its own bounds, and after 30 years it's one-third foreclosed and falling apart (since they're built as investments for builder and buyer alike, not as places to be lived in)

a great tool is WalkScore, which lets you eyeball a lot of the characteristics I'm blathering about

surrealAmerican

(11,360 posts)
65. It would be interesting to see a comparison ...
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 03:40 PM
Aug 2014

... of "walkscores" and obesity. I suspect, while not the whole problem, that it's a big part of the problem.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
13. Two 1980 factors. Corn sugar replaced real sugar in soft drinks and we got Nutrasweet.
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 08:08 AM
Aug 2014

The body recognizes real sugar as "food" and so the old Coke made you feel full. After 1980, a Big Gulp had many calories but your body diod not register the corn sugar as "food" so you were still hungry. I think that the corn industry did it to us.

However, I am not discounting the possibility that Nutrasweet, that artificial sweetener that is related to neuro-transmitters may also stimulate the appetite. I have never used it, since it gives me migraines.

BuelahWitch

(9,083 posts)
16. Thank you!
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 08:55 AM
Aug 2014

Didn't corn sugar replace real sugar in most everything? In any case, we were screwed once they added the HFCS.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
28. I am certain that has more than a little to do with it.
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 11:49 AM
Aug 2014

The explosion in genuine morbid obesity over the last 15 years boggles my mind. And I do not say this to be judgmental - my dad struggled with his weight as long as I was around and his inability or unwillingness to really control it was a significant contributing factor to his death from congestive heart failure at 65.

There is SOME individual responsibility at work, though. For much of the last decade I have been as poor as a church-mouse and I have not gained any weight. In fact I have lost weight when I have been most in need of money. I eat little fast food and little shitty over-processed "food" and am willing to tolerate feeling a bit hungry rather than gorge on empty calories.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
34. The body recognizes fructose as food but absorbs it more easily than other sugars (sucrose, lactose)
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 12:02 PM
Aug 2014

On the other hand, diet soda has been shown to trick the body into acting as if there are no calories in sweet foods and creating a craving for sugars.

Diet soda doesn't help you lose weight after all. A University of Texas Health Science Center study found that the more diet sodas a person drank, the greater their risk of becoming overweight. Downing just two or more cans a day increased waistlines by 500%. Why? Artificial sweeteners can disrupt the body's natural ability to regulate calorie intake based on the sweetness of foods, suggested an animal study from Purdue University. That means people who consume diet foods might be more likely to overeat, because your body is being tricked into thinking it's eating sugar, and you crave more.


http://healthyliving.msn.com/health-wellness/7-side-effects-of-drinking-diet-soda

eridani

(51,907 posts)
94. Correlation does not equal causation
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 09:31 AM
Aug 2014

Could it be that people who are the most inclined genetically to gain weight are the ones most likely to use diet sodas? That explains the correlation just as well.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
110. No, they tested the mechanism after the found the correlation
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 01:59 PM
Aug 2014

I read both studies -- Purdue and the Texas one.

Initial study (2004)
http://www.purdue.edu/uns/html4ever/2004/040629.Swithers.research.html

Follow Up and meta analysis:

The concerns for these chemical sweeteners emerged across studies that varied widely in design, methodology and population demographics, and they applied to sweeteners, such as aspartame, sucralose and saccharin. About 30 percent of adults and 15 percent of children in the United States consume artificial sweeteners.


http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2013/Q3/prof-diet-drinks-are-not-the-sweet-solution-to-fight-obesity,-health-problems.html

Turn CO Blue

(4,221 posts)
49. ^^THIS^^ But also add the introduction of the two-liter bottle of soft drinks
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 01:55 PM
Aug 2014

around that same time period.

eom

eridani

(51,907 posts)
95. Irrelevant. Who says that diners actually eat all of it?
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 09:33 AM
Aug 2014

I'll admit to expecting two meals when I go out on Saturday night. The first in the restaurant, and the second on Suncay reheating the other half of the meal.

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
107. I'm not so sure
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 01:30 PM
Aug 2014

No one wants to waste food especially when eating out.
Yes if lots is left then some will bring it home but some will just stuff it down.

I bring it home only to give give it to my dogs as I don't like most of what i order reheated.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
15. Interesting. Thanks for posting.
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 08:42 AM
Aug 2014

Though I'm surprised you haven't been called out for fat shaming yet, lol.

It is so obvious that the US is getting fatter.

Warpy

(111,254 posts)
85. None of this has been fat shaming
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 08:14 PM
Aug 2014

It's been a rational discussion of some of the reasons we're larding up as a country.

Cortisol shouldn't be overlooked because it also raises blood sugar and the risk of developing metabolic syndrome and dying young from heart failure, something happening coincidentally with increasing rates of obesity.

It's always been interesting to me that exogenous obesity has spread according to the classic pattern of an epidemic disease, from the Gulf of Mexico outward and includes Mexico, now statistically fatter than we are.

We know the disease and some of its causes. We still have no way to cure it.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
97. The OP was actually about vastly higher rates of population weight gain after 1980 as
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 09:49 AM
Aug 2014

--opposed to before 1980.

BuelahWitch

(9,083 posts)
17. This is great stuff, I don't know why this post isn't getting more recs
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 08:56 AM
Aug 2014

Thanks for taking the time to crunch the numbers on this.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
18. Unhealthiness is profitable to well-heeled private interests, so we subsidize unhealthiness.
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 08:58 AM
Aug 2014

American's unhealthy food choices, such as the massive amounts of High Fructose Corn Syrup we consume don't happen in a vacuum--the production of the toxic goop is massively subsidized at all levels by the Federal Government. Ooops!

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
19. 1980..the year USDA declared war on fat and cholesterol
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 09:12 AM
Aug 2014

So they took the fat out of food and replaced it with sugar in its many forms and we get to where we are today.

Type 2 diabetes epidemic that alone will bankrupt this nation in another 50 years or so.

http://professional.diabetes.org/admin/UserFiles/0%20-%20Sean/FastFacts%20March%202013.pdf


Explosion of obesity...

U.S. Obesity Rate Climbing in 2013
Increases across almost all demographic groups


WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The adult obesity rate so far in 2013 is 27.2%, up from 26.2% in 2012, and is on pace to surpass all annual average obesity rates since Gallup-Healthways began tracking in 2008.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/165671/obesity-rate-climbing-2013.aspx

We need to end The War on Fat just like we need to end The War on Marijuana!

http://www.shape.com/blogs/weight-loss-coach/should-we-really-end-war-fat

It seems this all began in 1980 when the USDA issued its first dietary guidelines, and one of the key messages was to avoid cholesterol and fat of all sorts. That same year the government announced the results of a $150 million study that encouraged Americans to eat less fat and cholesterol to reduce their risk of a heart attack, and the National Institutes of Health also jumped on the bandwagon, recommending that all Americans over the age of 2 reduce their fat intake.

However, over the last decade or so researchers began to state otherwise, concluding that there was no significant evidence that saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of cardiovascular disease. Most recently a meta-analysis that I blogged about in March reached the same conclusions, as well as revealing that the intake of polyunsaturated fats (the supposedly heart healthy ones) also had no effect on heart disease.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
31. It's also right around the time food companies started using HFCS
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 12:01 PM
Aug 2014
In 1977, importing sugar became expensive because of new tariffs and sugar quotas. Those manufacturers who used sugar began searching for a cheap alternative sweetener. Even before this happened, sugar was beginning to lose market share to high fructose corn syrup. The quotas and tariffs only made it more attractive since it was cheaper to produce and transport. To make it, powdery corn starch is processed into glucose, which is then processed into the clear syrup fructose. Corn prices were much lower than sugar prices because of government subsidies and overproduction.

http://www.ehow.com/about_5106547_history-high-fructose-corn-syrup.html
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
38. Yes sir....HFCS is the lead killer sugar in the SAD...
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 12:28 PM
Aug 2014

Standard America Diet. Go to any grocery store and try to find food without some form of sugar in it. Most of the time its HFCS.

We need to eat like humans did thousands of years ago because our bodies still operate the same as then and the absolute flood of sugar the average person gets everyday in this country is killing us all.

Why eating like we did 20,000 years ago may be the way of the future

Part of the problem is that virtually everything we thought we knew about eating is wrong; the current health crisis is in no small part caused by widespread and pervasive food confusion - and much of driven and reinforced by the modern food industry. As counterintuitive as it might seem, we now know that saturated fats are good and that salt has been unfairly vilified. It's becoming apparent that whole grains are extremely unhealthy, and that sugar is far, far worse than we previously thought, a conclusion that has led some experts to essentially describe it as poison.

http://io9.com/5917339/why-eating-like-a-caveman-may-be-the-way-of-the-future

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
111. I try to stay on the Paelo diet as much as possible
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 02:15 PM
Aug 2014

It's sometimes hard to do because, frankly, it's expensive, I have kids and busy life and can't always cook for us and, of course, because no one else eats that way and thinks everyone like donuts for breakfast at business meetings (I can avoid that usually - donuts don't tempt me too much, but usually the other available choices on the meeting table aren't any better).

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
40. Agreed
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 01:02 PM
Aug 2014

The obesity epidemic was created by our agriculture policy. We subsidize the very things that make us fat.

I have always wondered what caused this huge explosion in my lifetime. We blame it on eating too much and exercising too little, but that can't be the only issue. When I was going to school, there was *the* fat kid. Now, when I go to the pool, most of the children are fatter than the fat kid. I travel quite a bit and there is no where I have been where I have seen the same amount of morbidly obese people than I have seen in an American mall. I know the rest of the world is catching up to us because they are adopting our food. I have friends who are overweight that I am shocked how little they can eat and work out like mad women and still lose very little weight. Obviously, something is very wrong.

So I started reading a lot to find the answer. Gary Taubes in Why We Get Fat is a good primer because he lays the story out out in the scientific history. Before WW2, scientists specifically related obesity to consumption of carbohydrate. But since many of the scientists were killed in the war (Germany was a leader in studying obesity), they started over with the law of thermodynamics. But that has never been clinically proven and has led to today's state of affairs.

The best guess is that the obesity epidemic is caused by fear of fat, too much added sugar, HFCS, and our grains that have been hybridized to have even more of the qualities that make us fat. Many of these foods were added because farmers were growing so much due to subsidies, they didn't know what to do with it. So they dressed it up and stuck it in our food, claiming it was so "healthy." We were told to stop eating meat and fat (the diet that humans had evolved upon) and consume loads of carbohydrates: "heart-healthy" wheat, phyto estrogens in soy, and fat-free foods. Industrial oils replaced shelf-stable saturated fats in baked goods such as lard and coconut oil; McDonalds fries used to be fried in tallow but are now fried in "vegetable oil" which is most likely soy and cotton seed.

Dwarf wheat is nothing like original diploid wheat and has far more starch and gluten. Our house has switched to Einkorn wheat whenever we eat wheat, which is very rarely, and you can tell the difference just by digestion. It does not rise very well for high-rising cakes, but it has a golden color and an actual flavor.

The amber waves of grain? They're gone in favor of dwarf wheat. In this photo, from left to right shows the changes. Crossing it with goat grass made it had heavy bulbs of grain at the top so they made it short so it wouldn't fall over. It was meant to feed a starving world but it also changed it's properties. It took over world wide about 1990.



Soy, which is in everything, especially processed food, has been altered to be far more estrogenic than the original soy you imagine slim Asians eating. It is estimated that an infant drinking soy formula gets the equivalent of five birth control pills a day. Soy milk is like mainlining estrogen and soy is a known goitrogen (thyroid disruptor) yet we are exposed to it at a shocking level never seen before. Men should run from it and women should watch out as well as it can lead to estrogen dominance. Soy is also extremely allergenic, so if you have digestion issues, it could be soy.

And then there is corn in everything, making up most of what fast food joints call meat. It too is changed from the original corn to contain far more sugar. So when a person thinks they are eating a balanced meal from processed foods, they are not getting much protein, mostly corn, wheat, sugar (as a preservative) and industrial vegetable oils.

And don't forget the industrial oils which were discovered because they particularly fattened up livestock. Most processed foods contain cheap, rancid oils that they put flavoring/smell ingredients so you can't taste them (as your body reacts to spoiled food like smelling a carton of spoiled milk). Soy, cotton seed, and canola (rapeseed) are all created for industrial uses and are highly inflammatory in the body. When they figured out how to clean it up and sell it, they sold it to us as healthier than traditional fats. Cotton seed oil was originally tested as a form of male birth control as it effected the motility of sperm. It is still used as the number one way to fatten up cows and pigs for market.

There are lots of reasons, and I feel very bad for all the people who have been shamed into thinking they overeat and are lazy and that's the reason they are overweight. There are lots of cooking blogs all over than talk about cooking without these foods and how people have regained their health. I'm sure the armchair scientists will have a lot to say about how everything I wrote is woo. But if you are having health problems, do the research yourself.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
43. Great post
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 01:23 PM
Aug 2014

Semi dwarf wheat is the original Frankenfood and its horrible for your health.

"Whole wheat goodness" is the biggest oxymoron there is!

Wheat Belly -- The Toll of Hubris on Human Health
by Chris Masterjohn

According to Dr. Davis, the introduction of mutant, high-yield dwarf wheat in the 1960s and the misguided national crusade against fat and cholesterol that caught steam in the 1980s have conspired together as a disastrous duo to produce an epidemic of obesity and heart disease, leaving not even the contours of our skin or the hairs on our heads untouched. Indeed, Dr. Davis argues, this mutant monster we call wheat is day by day acidifying our bones, crinkling our skin, turning our blood vessels into sugar cubes, turning our faces into bagels, and turning our brains into mush.

Dr. Davis's central thesis is that modern wheat is uniquely able to spike our blood sugar with its high-glycemic carbohydrate and to stimulate our appetite with the drug-like digestive byproducts of its gluten proteins. As a result, we get fat. And not just any fat — belly fat.


http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2011/10/wheat-belly-toll-of-hubris-on-human.html

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
50. Ever wonder why restaurants serve you bread the minute you sit down?
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 02:11 PM
Aug 2014

From your excerpt:

modern wheat is uniquely able to ... stimulate our appetite with the drug-like digestive byproducts of its gluten proteins.

Greater appetites = higher profits. Bread before the meal makes it much more likely you'll order dessert afterwards. Restaurants know which side their high-gluten bread is buttered on...
 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
42. That's where I'd point the finger as well.
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 01:18 PM
Aug 2014

The War on Fat has been an unmitigated nutritional disaster.

The Diet-Heart Hypothesis was an enormous scientific mistake that is making obscene profits for the statin industry, with zero apparent benefit for public health. The reason there's no benefit is that the dietary recommendations are 180 degrees out of phase with human biochemical reality - people are being told to eat foods that are making them sicker and sicker.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
45. Well said
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 01:36 PM
Aug 2014
The reason there's no benefit is that the dietary recommendations are 180 degrees out of phase with human biochemical reality


Eating meat and primarily animal fat is what allowed humans to grow bigger brains. Our large brains take a huge amount of calories, more than can be supplied by an exclusively vegetarian diet. It is how humans evolved to eat differently than other primates. Our digestive tracts are far more similar to dogs than to any herbivore.

http://www.npr.org/2010/08/02/128849908/food-for-thought-meat-based-diet-made-us-smarter

Animal fat from healthy, pastured animals also contains vitamins and EFAs. Even lard, so maligned is full of Vitamin D which is the reason why your D levels might be low even if you get plenty of sun. Animals do the work of conversion for us in many cases. That's why we're considered the top of the food chain. It has even been studied that subjects on an all meat diet do not get deficiencies, such as scurvy, which was a surprise because humans cannot make their own Vitamin C. But those who do not consume any animal products do have problems, such as sometimes Vitamin B12 deficiencies.

You're absolutely right that the recommendations are 180 degrees wrong.
 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
48. My primary go-to book on nutrition science is Gary Taubes' "Good Calories, Bad Calories"
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 01:53 PM
Aug 2014

It's a remarkable piece of work, even a landmark. The bibliography has over 1400 references. Reading it made me want to cry.

I have metabolic syndrome, just like a third or more of all Americans and Canadians. I've been an occasional low-carber since the Atkins 80's, but my health suffered dramatically from the long stretches of whole wheat goodness in between the short stretches of keto. I'm now a full-time keto-paleo eater. I can't believe the improvement in my health since I stopped eating first wheat and then all starches, sugars and dairy.

Just as we need to keep politics and religion separate, we also need to separate politics and nutrition (yes, I'm talking to you, George McGovern.) Failure to do that will kill us.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
57. It is unfortunately corporate money and it is the rot in our society
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 02:49 PM
Aug 2014

We have been modified paleo (we do raw dairy and butter) for almost a decade and when we are the most vigilant, I feel superhuman. After two weeks of eating very clean, my workouts double and I never konk out, just know when I'm done. My partner who is a soda addict, dropped Coke and lost 30 pounds in one month. I've never had a cavity, but my partner used to have several a year and had moved on to root canals; since switching diet, no cavities in this house.

Taubes is good, and the Why We Get Fat is an easier read for laypeople and connects the dots more easily. But I do have to say the most convincing, amazing book I have ever read on nutrition was Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston A. Price. I been yelled at on this board for recommending the book, but he actually doesn't have recommendations, only observations. But the evidence speaks for itself and if you've read anything about evolutionary nutrition, it all makes perfect sense.

It's amazing to see people on DU with more curiosity and knowledge. Nutritional discussions on this board are abysmal in general. I've been told, "It doesn't matter what we eat." And, "We're basically garbage disposals" numerous times. It seems as though the loudest, snarkiest people are usually the most uninformed.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
64. Thanks. I've heard of the Price book, but don't have it.
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 03:33 PM
Aug 2014

I guess it belongs on my shelf. I much prefer observations over recommendations - show me the science and I'll make my own choices, thanks.

"The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living" by Volek and Phinney is OK, but no more than that (especially after Taubes).

I have the latest "Atkins" book by Eric Westman, but for me it was a waste of money. I don't want recipes, I want references!

I also bought Nora Gedgaudas' "Primal Body Primal Mind" on a FB friend's recommendation, but I wasn't too thrilled with it. Not enough hard science and too much "soft" science for my taste.

Evolutionary biology, evolutionary psychpology and evolutionary nutrition. Absorb those disciplines and your ability to think clearly about the world takes a giant leap.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
80. It's sometimes hard to find, try your library, but well worth the read
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 07:52 PM
Aug 2014

The Nora Gedguadas book was a joke and I've given up on most Paleo cookbooks too. Your recommendations sound great. I haven't read anything about evolutionary psychology, but I will keep an eye out. I'm such an avid reader, I went back to checking out books, about 20 a week! I love learning new things.

The most interesting thing about Taubes is how he shows that as a scientist, you must have an open mind about thre results of experiments or you won't be able to explain what actually happens or you will misinterpret the results. Calories In/Calories Out is the epitome of this.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
104. That's great!
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 11:43 AM
Aug 2014

Be sure you can see the pictures, because that backs up his statement. I'm going to get it for myself.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
105. This one has the photos
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 12:06 PM
Aug 2014

www.w8md.com/nutrition_vs_physical_degeneration_dr_weston_price.pdf

You're right - they really drive the point home!

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
106. And since the state of your teeth reflects the state of your bones...
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 12:14 PM
Aug 2014

My best friend, his family had to switch their diet because their son had Crohn's. The doctors wanted to take out part of his 8 year-old intestine and put him on antibiotics for the rest of his life. The did the SCD (Specific Carbohydrate) diet which allows for some less inflammatory starches and emphasizes homemade yogurt to build up the gut flora. The son went into remission so now Stanford is recommending the diet. But he also reported to me, no new cavities in their family for 12 years.

The most interesting thing about Price is he studies people from all over the world. They all have different diet, but they live on their native diet. No modern foods such as white flour and sugar. The minute those things are introduced, the children born in the same family show degeneration. Seems like lots of ocean foods are necessary. That's easy for me, but all the organ meats are a little tough.

Let me know what you think

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
73. Red Yeast Rice Extract, the natural source of all statins has been around
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 07:16 PM
Aug 2014

for hundreds of years. It is effective and I have never seen anyone have the side effects that people do with statins. The makers of Mevacor tried to ban it----claiming that Red Yeast Rice Extract infringed upon their patent. Sometimes, the natural versions of medicines are better. Nature has a way of creating things by trial and error that benefit species that are inter-dependent.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
81. That's interesting
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 07:54 PM
Aug 2014

There is also lots of research that insulin and cholesterol go hand in hand. Keep insulin low and your cholesterol improves incredibly. Plus, a lot of research is showing the cholesterol has no correlation to heart attacks. That's why statins are a joke and potentially do more harm than good.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
87. and nothing ever keeps the grim reaper away forever
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 08:22 PM
Aug 2014

something WILL kill us all.. and we never know when our particular timer will run out..

All the fancy medicines in the world will probably not add all that much time to our clocks..and the side effects may take time away

tridim

(45,358 posts)
101. My parents are both suffering because their doctor is an incurious idiot.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 10:19 AM
Aug 2014

I can't convince them to dump "low-fat" because they trust doctors 100%. No questions asked.

After all, "they went to med school"... 40 years ago.

It's all so sad to watch.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
22. You know, another thing..
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 10:43 AM
Aug 2014

Back in the day we mowed with push mowers. We used rakes and brooms to do our yard work. Now everyone (not me) uses riding mowers and blowers. And most peeps don't even do their own yard work. They hire someone.

These things factor in, I am sure of it.

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
56. And when I see folks who look healthy
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 02:34 PM
Aug 2014

using a leaf blower for HOURS (yes, hours, I timed the whine of the engine) to move leaves into piles (instead of raking) I have to wonder at how un-used to manual work many are.

Now maybe the guy using the leaf blower for hours had some sort of health problem, so he couldn't rake. But using a leaf blower for HOURS cannot be all that healthy either....

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
62. I truly hate leaf blowers.
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 03:14 PM
Aug 2014

And what's worse is that peeps just use them to blow the leaves onto someone else's property.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
108. I had to use one when I had a house.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 01:44 PM
Aug 2014

Try raking leaves off of rocks. And my 140-foot driveway had a two-foot wide enclosed rock "decoration" for 2/3 it's length.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
23. Another factor: The rise of all-day snacking and the growth of the availability of
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 11:20 AM
Aug 2014

convenient and nutritionally bereft food.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it is my impression that prior to the 60s, candy bars and chips and the like were considered an occasional treat for children, not an everyday food item for adults.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
27. Maybe early 90s?
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 11:46 AM
Aug 2014

I do use my cupholders, but always for water. It's funny, I can't seem to walk ten feet without carrying water with me ... What did I used to do?

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
53. My 1991 Volvo wagon had no cupholders.
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 02:18 PM
Aug 2014

My 1993 Chevrolet Lumina Minivan had 17. Seventeen cupholders! It blew my mind.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
89. I know. It did seat seven.
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 09:05 PM
Aug 2014

But even then, it was way overdone. After I bought it, I actually counted them. There were several seating configurations possible, since five of the seven seats in the back were Individual, and could be installed facing in more than one direction. No matter how you arranged them, though, there was a cup holder available.

I actually loved that van.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
37. Sort of. But once there were only four or five channels
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 12:09 PM
Aug 2014

and you had to get up and go to the teevee to change between those few channels.

Lex

(34,108 posts)
33. The constant, all day long, non-stop marketing of crap food to us . . .
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 12:01 PM
Aug 2014

When I started paying attention to how often crap food is marketed us all day long (billboards, magazines, and of course tv), I was shocked and wondered how much of a role that has played in weight gain. Messages, subliminal and up-front, of EAT, EAT, EAT.





 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
44. I know
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 01:31 PM
Aug 2014

but we do not have to eat that crap.

I never got a taste for soda pop (coke etc) because my parents never gave it to us. I never liked potato chips and all that crap, and I hate candy. So I was lucky that way.

But I love popcorn. And when depressed, I find myself looking at the doritos, fritos etc. I usually fight it off lol.

You are so right. It is non-stop with the food. I work in a sedentary job...and the company (being nice) brings in tons of Einstein bagels and other goodies on a regular basis. I have to ignore that area when I come in. It's right by the elevators...so there is another reason to take the stairs!

Lex

(34,108 posts)
51. Yes, we can turn it down, but . . .
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 02:13 PM
Aug 2014

marketing very is effective or there wouldn't be any of it. I know what you mean about turning down office food. I do it all the time--ordering pizzas for lunch ('hey it's for everybody!'), bringing in cinnamon buns, cake, all that stuff that none of us needs in the office. I have diabetes in both sides of my family (well, great-grandmother on one side for certain). I don't eat fast food--can't even remember the last time, but there again, the marketing of food to the masses non-stop has to have an effect overall.


KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
36. Would be interesting to see the last 8 years added
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 12:06 PM
Aug 2014

Over the last 8 years, the consumption of soda in the US has declined and is now below the amount consumed in 1980 (and still falling).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/18/soda-decline_n_4808978.html

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
67. I honestly can not remember the last time I drank soda, but
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 04:02 PM
Aug 2014

whenever it was (probably mid-2013), it was likely a Mexican Coke (with real sugar) - any and all products made with HFCS do not pass my lips, period.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
39. My "vote" is for HFCS. Whatever the reason, you can bet we're fatter due to some
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 12:33 PM
Aug 2014

evil profit plot by some corporation or some industry organization or some lobbyist or all of the above and those who had an hand in it are rich bastards now laughing at all the fat people walking around sending them money hand over tummy roll.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
76. keep on subsidizing cheap food grown with agrotoxins, inhumane treatment of animals
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 07:25 PM
Aug 2014

This "cheap" food is making us sick with diabetes, heart disease, cancer, Parkinson's, etc.

Not so cheap if you look at it that way

TheSarcastinator

(854 posts)
63. Thanks so much: I get all my scientific facts from blogs!!!
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 03:19 PM
Aug 2014

Especially blogs with five whole cited sources. Thanks, PasadenaTrudy! Keep up the good work!

dilby

(2,273 posts)
66. I will blame it on people not smoking.
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 03:42 PM
Aug 2014

Seems about as legit as all the other claims on here because lets face it smoking has been on a decline since the 60s.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
70. probably a combination of easily available junk food and TV, Video Games, Computers
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 05:31 PM
Aug 2014

and other ways to spend free time which just involve sitting in one place rather than moving around.

and of course you eat the easily available junk food while sitting around and it just adds up.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
72. Another thing happened in the 1970's
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 06:53 PM
Aug 2014

And don't give me 'woo'. I have celiac sprue.

A scientist won a Nobel prize for his work to eradicate hunger and starvation by genetically modifying wheat. It went from 4' to 18" and the volume allowed for 10x the number of plants to grown in the same square footage. I can't recall the name off the top of my head - but he saved a LOT of lives.

For 90%+ of the population, this was/is a non issue. For those of us with leaky gut, crohns, celiac and others - it was toxic.

Funny thing happened though - a bunch of people found out that eliminating this new wheat allowed them to lose weight almost effortlessly, which led to the whole low carb, then paleo, now gluten-free diets. Not for health reasons, but because it allowed them to shed pounds they have been fighting for years.

HFCS, "low fat" (flavor replaced with carbs like HFCS), and modified wheat are all to blame IMO. Those beasts are insidious and practically in EVERYTHING we consume.

Oddly, while I will get incredibly ill for a few days after consuming a trace of gluten, about a year ago, I ate a homemade wheat bread made by a friend who had grown it from some heirloom seeds from the 1950s and it didn't bother me at all. Blew my mind. I only wish that these "safe" seeds were readily available.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
75. I've heard that sourdough bread is easier to digest
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 07:22 PM
Aug 2014

and is lower glycemic than yeast bread. I have some old Alaskan sourdough and make bread periodically from organic spelt flour. It's really good.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
83. There are gluten free sourdough recipies out there
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 08:01 PM
Aug 2014

that have rave reviews. celiac.com has an interesting concept that I am looking to try when I have time.

This one is "sourdough starter" and talks about keeping some of the batch to use in new batches, but doesn't include the bread making portion of the recipe. There are links in the comments to that process though.

If you still have your starter - check this technique out. Would love any comments if this is a concept you are familiar with!

http://www.celiac.com/articles/23146/1/Gluten-free-Sourdough-Starter/Page1.html

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
78. I'll weigh in with this tidbit. I was just thinking the other day about 4 ounce juice glasses.
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 07:39 PM
Aug 2014

I doubt any one parcels out juice into those old glasses these days. A few years i put on a lot of weight. I then read how fattening juice is. Given I was a juice addict, I stopped drinking it and went forwhole fruit. The pounds fell off.

pink-o

(4,056 posts)
79. As for carbs--please be careful not vilify them all!
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 07:39 PM
Aug 2014

I've been a vegetarian for a million years (well, 37!) and I have no nutritional deficiencies. I know you can go 2 ways on the meatless diet: either very healthy or processed carbs and crap food. I favor fruit, veggies, yoghurt, artisan cheeses, beans and nuts. I drink roasted, ground beans and fermented grapes as well as lots of H2O.

While I don't believe humans were meant to be veggie, the meat being sold to us in the 21st century is nothing like what we ate in the stone age. You can say wheat is Frankenfood, but with the growth hormones and antibiotics in animal products, I'm happy to consume a plant-based diet. Food production and how it gets to our table is so many ways of wrong! Navigating the minefield is stressful and confusing--and the nutrional snake oil salesmen are just dying to sell you one miracle after the other.

I hate the whole industry. We're fat cuz those n power are making shitloads of $$$$$ and ultimately controlling us by imprisoning us in our own bodies. Until it's no longer lucrative, don't expect anything to change in the near future.

JEFF9K

(1,935 posts)
84. Forced busing, and the death of neighborhood schools ...
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 08:02 PM
Aug 2014

... meant less walking, and fewer after-school activity participation.

Mira

(22,380 posts)
99. Took this photo (among many similar others) in Karlsruhe/Germany last week
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 09:53 AM
Aug 2014

it may explain a thing or two.


I'd like to also say that there are studies that claim people who use street cars are less corpulent than folks who drive. There is a walk involved to get to it that's more than a walk to your car and it matters.

I'm visiting family in Germany at the moment. Studying the look of the people and how it relates to their methods of getting around and using their bodies has been illuminating on the subject.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
100. It boils down to portion sizes growing and food becoming more calorie-dense and tastier.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 09:57 AM
Aug 2014

People simply eat too much now-- and it's very easy to do when a simple fast food meal can contain 3/4 or even all of the calories you need for a whole day.

The food industry also pioneered some very clever ways of making more money with larger portions.

There's a very interesting BBC documentary on the topic called The Men Who Made Us Fat.



Sure, we're more sedentary, and being more active has lots of health benefits. But unless you're training intensely for two hours a day (I mean running, swimming hard, etc.), then exercise is going to have very little direct effect on your weight. You can consume all the calories you need for an hour of walking in a couple of onion rings.
 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
103. Aspartame probably plays a role.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 10:52 AM
Aug 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame
It was approved by the FDA in 1981, and it has been shown to cause weight gain unrelated to caloric intake:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195666312004138
Abstract

It has been suggested that the use of nonnutritive sweeteners (NNSs) can lead to weight gain, but evidence regarding their real effect in body weight and satiety is still inconclusive. Using a rat model, the present study compares the effect of saccharin and aspartame to sucrose in body weight gain and in caloric intake. Twenty-nine male Wistar rats received plain yogurt sweetened with 20% sucrose, 0.3% sodium saccharin or 0.4% aspartame, in addition to chow and water ad libitum, while physical activity was restrained. Measurements of cumulative body weight gain, total caloric intake, caloric intake of chow and caloric intake of sweetened yogurt were performed weekly for 12 weeks. Results showed that addition of either saccharin or aspartame to yogurt resulted in increased weight gain compared to addition of sucrose, however total caloric intake was similar among groups. In conclusion, greater weight gain was promoted by the use of saccharin or aspartame, compared with sucrose, and this weight gain was unrelated to caloric intake. We speculate that a decrease in energy expenditure or increase in fluid retention might be involved.

However, it's probably not a single-factor change. A set of factors seem to have converged around 1980 that contributed to this change in the slopes of the curves that you describe. Likely candidates include the introduction of aspartame, the beginning of the FDA/AMA/NHLBI "War on Fat" (resulting in excessive refined carbs and gluten/gliadin in processed food, that in accelerated the spread of metabolic syndrome), and advertising-driven changes in dietary habits ("May we supersize you?&quot

IMO it's unlikely to have been changes in exercise habits among children, as the increase in obesity is seen across all age groups. While the overall reduction in physical activity probably plays a role in the overall increase in obesity, I can't imagine how a gradual trend like that would contribute to an abrupt kink in the curves in 1980.
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