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By Travis Gettys
Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:23 EDT
"The anti-abortion activist father of a pair wanna-be reality TV stars disrupted the services of a Unitarian church Sunday while the congregation was honoring a member who had died.
Members of Flip Benhams Operation Save America group delivered an impromptu sermon while the congregation at First Unitarian Universalist Church of New Orleans was observing a moment of silence.
Into that sacred silence, a voice began to speak, and it began to speak about abominations, said Rev. Deanna Vandiver, adding that the protesters shouted that their church was not a true faith. Literally in our most tender and vulnerable space, religious terrorism began. (my boldface)
Operation Save America, which grew out of the Operation Rescue movement tied to the assassination of Dr. George Tiller, described the church as a synagogue of Satan for its longstanding support of reproductive rights."
More:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/23/anti-abortion-group-harasses-unitarian-churchs-moment-of-silence-for-dead-member/
I am a UU, and this has left me almost speechless. Religious terrorism is an appropriate description of what went on. Is this what the future holds for religious groups in America?
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)They are among those who target and harrass doctors as well as patients. Despicable.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)After all, these immigrant children are post-birth fetuses.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)Only fetuses and corporations are "people." Everyone else can sit down and shut up.
ck4829
(35,097 posts)Everyone who is not a fetus should be working to make money for those corporations, don'tcha know?
JustAnotherGen
(32,053 posts)They do not care about 'those children' because they aren't white and christian.
If any one group/religious organization is in total defiance of Christianity - it's UU. Goes back to Arius at the second council of Nic.
They can burn the church I tithe to into the ground with me in it - we are not having a Christian Theocratic Government and that's that.
As another DU'er wrote below - let the sect wars begin.
But I'll fight back.
jmowreader
(50,603 posts)but then I remembered that Flip Benham's kids probably believe Catholics - the predominant religion south of Mexico - are not Christians. A huge number of Fundies really do think that way; we've printed letters talking about "Christians, Catholics and Jews."
JustAnotherGen
(32,053 posts)There are Christian Sects that do not view Catholocism as a 'Christian' religion. And I personally know quite a few of UU's who do not view themselves as Christians - even if they do believe in a human being name J.C. Myself included - since I reject the supernatural in the story and the words in the New Testament not spoken by him.
Background - Raised a Baptist and and attended a Catholic High school and University. It was my exposure to Catholocism and that preacher at my church warning me to just study for the 'tests' that made me question all of these sects and their non text based beliefs.
I'm protective of UU's because we've seen what happens when a 'good Christian' goes off the rails - they go down to TN and shoot up our church. Or they rip the rainbow flag off our church on S. Winton Road in Rochester NY (the one I first joined).
Their religious freedom ends at my church door.
Funny when the Hobby Lobby ruling just came down I heard talk at DU about 'protesting at their Churches'. In light of this - I would be supportive of that and would actively engage in that behavior. It could be as simple as getting up in their grills - silently - with a bunch of lit chalices.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)Many are in the Midwest, although I believe one of the congregations in Washington DC considers itself Christian.
http://www.uuchristian.org/S_Who.html
http://www.americanunitarian.org/AUCChristian.htm
http://www.uua.org/beliefs/welcome/christianity/index.shtml
safeinOhio
(32,762 posts)for those that wish to call this a "Christian Nation". I can see the future and it looks like Northern Ireland for us. The years of sectarian wars in Europe is what shaped the Founding Fathers including the separation of church and state.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)safeinOhio
(32,762 posts)But it won't end there.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)There are rabid fundies, and then there are more liberal congregations like UU and ELCA that want nothing to do with their insanity and just exist in peace.
JustAnotherGen
(32,053 posts)And it's not the first time we've been targeted.
Truthfully?
They hate us for our love. Our tolerance.
That's that.
ck4829
(35,097 posts)dembotoz
(16,866 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)One was a university professor, the other a medical doctor. They were harassed by young students at their office, at home, in their classroom and on the streets to convert to the one true faith. Lie or die.
They finally left after their refusal to give up the faith of their ancestors, begging their tormentors to let them live in peace and using common sense and reason failed. They had not spoken out publicly, but were harrassed simply because they would not lie and show the outward signs of conversion demanded. Make no mistake, the Flip Benhams of this world want people to lie to survive, just as millions in Europe and elsewhere who converted at the point of a sword. Lie or die.
Their pleas had only made them a target of the zealots on an individual level and they gave up the land their families lived in for millenia. They are some of the most forgiving, gentle and generous souls I have ever met.
That is what the Koch and others want for America. They would allow no freedom in the most intimate of matters, the most important, that of the mind. They ae getting into truly sacred territory, from which all other human interactions flow, to pollute them by enforcing Lie or die.
They're strictly against the intent of the Founders who sought to separate church from state for the good of all. They have plenty of CTers making stuff abut the Founders being 'satanists.' This is common rhetoric and that is what they are in reality attacking.
No doubt the Benham group does know about the Founding Fathers:
Natural law was the basis for the core ideas of the Revolution: People are free and equal in nature. Government is a compact between human beings, not something handed down from above.
Most important, we must always have the liberty of thought to examine received wisdom, evaluate its utility, and change our ideas and our institutions.
In particular this part:
People are free and equal in nature.
Got a chuckle from this:
"Jefferson's vision for the future of American religion featured nothing but Unitarian churches from sea to shining sea."
A better America than one divided into various cults with their supporters and enemies. Very close to what I grew up with in my home and community and even in the Baptist church.
From the first Amazon review, but all of them are very good:
Splendid imaginative but never fanciful, even at its most surprising. What lends Natures God a good deal of its verve is Matthew Stewarts unabashed attachment not only to the revolutionaries as they really were but to the skeptical rationalism they embodied. This is partisan scholarship as it should be written, and much needed service to the public. (Alan Ryan, author of The Making of Modern Liberalism)
http://www.amazon.com/Natures-God-Heretical-American-Republic/dp/0393064549/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1404062887&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=Nature%27s+God%3A+The+Heretical+Origins+of+the+American+Republic
to cbayer for posting about the book:
http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/1218137537#op
The Supreme Court and conservatives are trying to write their regressive beliefs in stone and destabilize the USA for a reasonl and it's not God. It'll be a long haul to reverse this starting in 2014. We must put reactionaries out of office or we're done.
Mussolini's method included religion to give fascists the zeal to force changes on society and end democracy. Kathleen Harris did what she did in 2000 for religious zeal. But the truth is, just as it was in Italy, it's about economics, not God or the Holy Spirit. It's the face of corporatist 'christianity.'They use the flag and God as their cover and must be outted.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)And I have no doubt that they think they are justified.
If you think that the UU's are experiencing religious terrorism, try being an atheist. (Then again, I do know some atheists who are members of the UU church since they are not into the exclusiveness of most denominations.)
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Um, sure, Mitch.
Factoid: Flip Benham is the kook who converted Norma McCorvey. That's right, Jane Roe is now a fundie whackjob.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...who said: ''I'll donate $5 for every angry, anti-LGBT caller Glenn Beck sends after us.''
They could do something similar to aid groups these clowns hate the most.
- That way everytime they show up, its money in the bank the _(''Sinners Du Jour'')_!
It's perfect.....
K&R
MountainLaurel
(10,271 posts)MountainLaurel
(10,271 posts)The police department's "robust security plan" that it touted before these folks arrived failed miserably. These domestic terrorists should never have been allowed near those church doors. You can bet your ass that if this was a progressive group, NOPD would have someone on the inside reporting on their movements.
The moment of silence was for a member and community leader who died of cancer at age 40.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)I wonder how these right-to-lifers would feel if someone with opposing views burst into the funeral of one of their loved ones and disrupted it in a similar manner? Not that I could imagine any decent person doing that.
Didn't the Jesus they purport to worship preach: "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you?"
Brigid
(17,621 posts)We had outside my Methodist church a few weeks ago.
carolinayellowdog
(3,247 posts)I'm in Boston finishing a two week fellowship working on a member of a prominent late 19th century family that were Unitarians and abolitionists and feminists-- the Grimke/Weld family. For almost two hundred years, they have been fighting the good fight against injustice of all kinds. My respect for this denomination continues to grow with every day I'm here.