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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 03:32 PM Jul 2014

Elizabeth Warren Continues To Push Back On 2016 Rumors: 'No Means No'

Alex Lazar
The Huffington Post
07/22/14 12:08 PM ET

Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D) once again denied that she has her sights on the presidency in 2016, according to a Boston Globe article published Tuesday.

"I'm going to give you the same answer I have given you many times," Warren told the newspaper. "There is no wiggle room. I am not running for president. No means no."

Much of the speculation around a Warren 2016 run stems from the fact that she's been actively campaigning for Senate Democratic hopefuls in 2014, such as Natalie Tennant in West Virginia and Alison Lundergan Grimes in Kentucky.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5610078

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Elizabeth Warren Continues To Push Back On 2016 Rumors: 'No Means No' (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 OP
I believe her. MoonRiver Jul 2014 #1
The problem is that's an ambiguous denial, being that 'am' is present tense. PoliticAverse Jul 2014 #2
"I will not be running for President in 2016. TDale313 Jul 2014 #3
Funny ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #4
... Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #6
I kind of thought no one would respond to that post ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #13
What she actually means is 'no means, (so) no' wyldwolf Jul 2014 #5
That's fine. bigwillq Jul 2014 #7
She's doing great work in the Senate. nt Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #20
So means so! Create a vacuum and someone will fill it. TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #8
"In January, Obama told NBC that he would not run for president or vice president in 2008." hedgehog Jul 2014 #9
So you're saying Elizabeth Warren is just another politician who'll say what' s convenient... brooklynite Jul 2014 #10
I woud not put it in those terms, no. hedgehog Jul 2014 #11
-I- don't begrudge politicians, but then I don't put Warren on a pedestal either. brooklynite Jul 2014 #12
I think it's regrettable when enthusiastic support of a politician is labelled hedgehog Jul 2014 #16
She should stop dressing presidential then. Blue_Adept Jul 2014 #14
But unless she utters the very same quote as Sherman, she's actually still running. KittyWampus Jul 2014 #15
She has repeatedly declined to make a Shermanesque declaration tritsofme Jul 2014 #17
She's doing a helluva job in the Senate... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #18
Agreed. nt Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #21
Reminds me of 2005-2006 when people here INSISTED that Al Gore NYC Liberal Jul 2014 #19

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
1. I believe her.
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 03:35 PM
Jul 2014

And I am glad she is such a strong supporter of Hillary. She will have much to offer on the campaign trail.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
2. The problem is that's an ambiguous denial, being that 'am' is present tense.
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 03:46 PM
Jul 2014

A clearer denial might be:

"I'm not running now, nor will I be running in the future for the 2016 democratic presidential nomination and
if nominated, I will not accept; if drafted, I will not run; if elected, I will not serve."

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
3. "I will not be running for President in 2016.
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 04:07 PM
Jul 2014

That would shut the door for me, and I'm hoping she does run. "I am not running" as you said, is present tense, and perfectly true even if she ended up deciding to. And she knows this, and has been teased/called out on it (by Colbert, for one). In my opinion, she knows she could stop some of the speculation with just a few well-chosen words. Which makes me think maybe she doesn't want to stop it.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
4. Funny ...
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 04:10 PM
Jul 2014
No means no.


"Except, apparently, when I really want you to do what you said you don't want to do. In which case, I can/should be free to continue trying to talk you into it."

Wait ... we are only talking about a presidential run, right?

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
5. What she actually means is 'no means, (so) no'
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 04:24 PM
Jul 2014

In other words, she doesn't have the means to run at the moment, so for the moment, it's no.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
9. "In January, Obama told NBC that he would not run for president or vice president in 2008."
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 04:46 PM
Jul 2014

Asked Sunday about his earlier stance, Obama said, "That was how I was thinking at that time."

"I don't want to be coy about this, given the responses that I've been getting over the last several months," he said. "I have thought about the possibility, but I have not thought about it with the seriousness and depth that I think is required."

......

"And here's the realization I think his people and Sen. Obama is coming to, and it's this: you can't time timing."

Other columnists have hailed Obama as the solution to the Democratic Party's woes in winning elections.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/22/obama.presidency/

brooklynite

(94,548 posts)
10. So you're saying Elizabeth Warren is just another politician who'll say what' s convenient...
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 04:52 PM
Jul 2014

...certainly a great reason to get her to run for President.

]By the way, you left out the line where Obama endorsed another Presidential candidate, right?

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
11. I woud not put it in those terms, no.
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 05:00 PM
Jul 2014

I'm just pointing out that Obama reacted to changing circumstances, and it is possible that Elizabeth Warren may as well. Put whatever face on it you choose. I think how you appraise a politician's actions depends on how you appraise that particular politician.

BTW - you say "politician" like that's a bad word. It isn't, any more than "Liberal" is.

brooklynite

(94,548 posts)
12. -I- don't begrudge politicians, but then I don't put Warren on a pedestal either.
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 05:09 PM
Jul 2014

I lot of folks here, particularly the anti-Hillary contingent seem to think Warren is, in addition to being more acceptably progressive, a more transcendental political figure.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
16. I think it's regrettable when enthusiastic support of a politician is labelled
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 05:31 PM
Jul 2014

as engaging in messianic behavior. The same accusation was made of those of us who were enthusiastic supporters of Obama, and continues to be made of those who remain supporters.

I don't approve of absolutely everything Obama has done or not done, but in general, I think he's done a good job given the hand he was dealt.

No politician is perfect; no politician can do what each and every supporter would like to see done. I look over the field and sort them out into who is more likely to do what I would do in most circumstances, and who is least likely. If I get excited because I see someone who is close match, please don't accuse me of expecting the 2nd Coming.

Those of us who are older may recall the same rhetoric applied to supporters of Bobby Kennedy and Gene McCarthy.

tritsofme

(17,377 posts)
17. She has repeatedly declined to make a Shermanesque declaration
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 05:32 PM
Jul 2014

On her intentions, and her actions should be viewed in that context.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
18. She's doing a helluva job in the Senate...
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 05:59 PM
Jul 2014

And we don't need another vacancy in that seat to be taken by a Republican.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
19. Reminds me of 2005-2006 when people here INSISTED that Al Gore
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 06:12 PM
Jul 2014

would be running in 2008 despite numerous statements similar to those that have been made by Warren. They passed his statements the same way they're parsing hers.

Remember when Gore announced his candidacy? Me neither.

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