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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 09:01 AM Jul 2014

Netanyahu: ĎA Manís Gotta Do What a Manís Gotta Doí - Mediaite

Netanyahu: ‘A Man’s Gotta Do What a Man’s Gotta Do’
by Evan McMurry | Mediaite
8:00 am, July 22nd, 2014

<snip>

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spoke to NBC News’ Brian Williams Monday night as both Israeli and Palestinian death tolls rose in Gaza. When Williams asked if the prime minister felt public opinion turning against Israel due to the number of civilian casualties, Netanyahu replied that his hand had been forced by Hamas’ actions.

“Am I worried that this will have an effect? Of course it does,” Netanyahu replied

“But, you know, at a certain point you say what choice do you have? What would you do? What would you do if American cities, where you’re sitting now, were absorbing hundreds of rockets, you know what you’d say? You’d say to your leader, a man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do, and a country’s gotta do what a country’s gotta do.”

Netanyahu has spent several days arguing that Hamas has intentionally embedded its weapon systems within civilian populations and even discouraged civilians from leaving areas after Israeli warnings, all to create “telegenically” dead civilians in order to manipulate public opinion.

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Link (w/Video): http://www.mediaite.com/tv/netanyahu-a-mans-gotta-do-what-a-mans-gotta-do/





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Netanyahu: ĎA Manís Gotta Do What a Manís Gotta Doí - Mediaite (Original Post) WillyT Jul 2014 OP
I must have missed the bit where Israeli cities are absorbing hundreds of rockets... Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #1
He's including rockets taken down by Iron Dome Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #3
Ah. He made it sound like cities were being decimated... Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #5
This will never, ever end. smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #15
Killing 149 children in 3 days is going to create a lot of hatred, maybe that is the plan to keep Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Jul 2014 #10
Well, if they can keep Hamas from attacking Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #12
Actually, Israel is sitting on all of pscot Jul 2014 #21
maybe if they back their ass up to where the borders were agreed to decades ago wouldn't be an issue snooper2 Jul 2014 #31
Bibi reminds me of Cheney malaise Jul 2014 #7
Was he from B'Tselem? Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #8
Yes malaise Jul 2014 #9
Yeah, that was a pretty repulsive speech. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #2
He needs to stick to speeches involving cartoon characters...like the roadrunner cartoon he used Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #4
You know, it's hard out here for a pimp/ murderous war monger NightWatcher Jul 2014 #6
Isn't that what rapists say? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #11
Kick !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #13
Yeah, he's just as bad as Bush/Cheney and should be arrested for war crimes. Avalux Jul 2014 #14
Sadly True... WillyT Jul 2014 #16
Kick !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #17
Kick. Also.. RobertEarl Jul 2014 #18
I Feel Your Pain... Did You Catch This: WillyT Jul 2014 #19
A man doesn't "gotta" murder children and women, that's a piss poor definition of a man. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #20
THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #22
Hey WillyT have you seen the video by this Israeli Captain? Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #23
I don't know if there might not be some truth to the notion of telegenically dead civilians in order aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2014 #24
The "Telegenically Dead" Did Not Work So Well For The Surviving Nazis At End Of WWII... WillyT Jul 2014 #25
"Telegenically Dead" defacto7 Jul 2014 #27
THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #28
That was the talk of a heartless mad man, the whole world saw that clearly. Bibi thinks himself Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #29
If Putin and Russia can be sanctioned..why can't Bibi and Israel? Oh, I forgot, we have laws against kelliekat44 Jul 2014 #30

Violet_Crumble

(35,993 posts)
1. I must have missed the bit where Israeli cities are absorbing hundreds of rockets...
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 09:07 AM
Jul 2014

Unless he's confusing Israeli cities with Gaza...

What a scumbag...

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
3. He's including rockets taken down by Iron Dome
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 09:15 AM
Jul 2014

as part of the hundreds.

And that's the one part of what he says I agree with. There is no reason Israel should need Iron Dome. Hamas militants with rockets should be stopped from committing their criminal activity. But until Palestinians are allowed freedom and hope for a life that isn't in a giant prison-slum, there will always be more desperate enough to lash out with more rockets, more kidnappings and bombings.

Violet_Crumble

(35,993 posts)
5. Ah. He made it sound like cities were being decimated...
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 09:24 AM
Jul 2014

I agree what what you said about the rockets shouldn't be fired at Israel regardless of Iron Dome, and I doubt there's anyone at DU who wouldn't.

I read an article in GD earlier this afternoon that gives a strong hint that Nutty's, uh, deterrence policy is going to end up creating another generation of militants, which is what killing civilians tends to do...

Of those who lived in the house, only four people survived, three men who had gone to pray, and Tawfik Abu Jameh’s toddler, shielded by the body of his mother. The children killed ranged in age from 4 months to 14 years, and included an adopted orphan whose father had been killed in an Israeli strike.

One of the survivors, Bassam Abu Jameh, lay on a mat with a broken leg, his eyes rimmed with red. His wife, Yasmeen; two brothers; and three children, Batool, 5, Sohaila, 3, and Bassam, 1, had all been killed. “There is nothing left,” he said, pressing his hand to his eyes. “It is the end for us.”

He closed his eyes, lying still and letting his neighbors continue the account. After a while, he opened them again and announced, in a shaky voice: “I will marry again four times, and I will have 10 sons with each wife, and they will all be in the resistance.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/22/world/middleeast/questions-about-tactics-and-targets-as-civilian-toll-climbs-in-israeli-strikes.html?_r=1

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
26. Killing 149 children in 3 days is going to create a lot of hatred, maybe that is the plan to keep
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 01:14 AM
Jul 2014

the prisoners restless and imprisoned.

Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #3)

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
12. Well, if they can keep Hamas from attacking
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 11:03 AM
Jul 2014

they can start putting on a serious political blitz, pushing for recognition of Palestine as a nation by more and more countries, the UN, the ICC, etc, joining into as many treaties as possible, and from there continue the pressure on Israel by noting that since World War II, the world has not recognized the validity of countries taking land from other countries by force.

Violence leads to violence. Hamas is not helping Palestine, just as Netanyahu is not helping Israel.

malaise

(269,431 posts)
7. Bibi reminds me of Cheney
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 09:34 AM
Jul 2014

He's both a pathological liar and a war criminal.
By the way I watched BBC this morning and there was a young man from a Jewish human rights group in Israel condemning the killing in Gaza and stating clearly that it is a violation of international law.

Violet_Crumble

(35,993 posts)
8. Was he from B'Tselem?
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 09:37 AM
Jul 2014

That's one of the main human rights groups in Israel. I just checked their site for the first time in ages and they're speaking out strongly against the bombing of Gaza. They're a fantastic group, but Nutty's government hates them...

B’Tselem calls on the Government of Israel to immediately cease the bombardment of inhabited homes, neighborhoods and areas in the Gaza Strip


The horrific developments in Gaza have reached intolerable heights: Israel is bombing houses with people in them, entire families have been buried under rubble, and streets lie in ruins. Hundreds have been killed so far, dozens in the last 24 hours only, many of them women and children. The number of refugees is rising: tens of thousands of people have nowhere to go and no safe haven, as the besieged Gaza Strip is bombarded.

Israel considers any perceived link to Hamas justification for attack. Hamas considers any place in Israel a target. One party fires at civilians, more often than not missing the target thanks to the Iron Dome defense system. The other party fires at densely populated civilian areas, with deadly results on a shocking scale.

Hamas makes no pretense to follow the laws of war. Israel does, but holds Hamas responsible for its own actions – the dead, the refugees, the destroyed homes. Yet unlawful actions by one party cannot justify unlawful actions by the other, and regardless, each party bears sole responsibility for the outcome of its actions. Israel may proclaim its actions in Gaza to be moral and lawful, but the horrifying reality on the ground makes it impossible to further countenance Israel’s cynical use of legal terms such as “proportionality”, “distinction” and “due caution”. Israel is exploiting these words to justify the death and destruction it is wreaking on the Gaza Strip.

In view of all this, B’Tselem calls on the Government of Israel to immediately cease the bombardment of inhabited homes, neighborhoods and areas in the Gaza Strip.

http://www.btselem.org/20140721_btselem_calls_on_government_to_cease_bombardment


Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
2. Yeah, that was a pretty repulsive speech.
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 09:12 AM
Jul 2014

And here's a hint - you guys can deny them those 'telegenically dead civilians', by, you know, actually using precision. Don't shoot off rockets of your own, don't just roll tanks into buildings, don't use 'flechette missiles' or throw grenades. Send in SWAT teams after the criminals, who don't just automatically shoot everyone around, but actually just target the criminals.

Some DU'er named Fozziedick said I wouldn't like it if Israel went in by ground, and turns out he was right - they're just as indiscriminate, if not moreso in their ground attacks as they are with air assaults.

If you treat militants with rockets like criminals, the world will rally behind you. If you simply stomp around like Godzilla, destroying the hovels of poor people caught in the middle of you and the criminals, the world isn't going to be so supportive.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
4. He needs to stick to speeches involving cartoon characters...like the roadrunner cartoon he used
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 09:21 AM
Jul 2014

at the UN to do some mansplaining to the heathens at the UN on Iran, remember that?

That was when I knew Bibi had gone mad.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
6. You know, it's hard out here for a pimp/ murderous war monger
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 09:25 AM
Jul 2014

Haters gonna hate.

-says the guy who shells a hospital and kids playing on the beach

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
14. Yeah, he's just as bad as Bush/Cheney and should be arrested for war crimes.
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 05:59 PM
Jul 2014

Of course it will never happen, not with any of them.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
18. Kick. Also..
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 11:42 PM
Jul 2014

the mental image above of Godzilla is apt.

I can't say any more because it would draw my 3rd anti-war hide in 2 days.

Uncle Joe

(58,622 posts)
20. A man doesn't "gotta" murder children and women, that's a piss poor definition of a man.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 12:28 AM
Jul 2014



Thanks for the thread, WillyT.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
24. I don't know if there might not be some truth to the notion of telegenically dead civilians in order
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 12:47 AM
Jul 2014

to manipulate public opinion. I imagine the situation is complex and there is no convenient answer: some civilians are dead because Hamas prevented them from leaving, while some are dead because they're simply unable to go anywhere else. But the minute you accept Netanyahu's canned answer that ALL dead Palestinians are dead because they're human shields, then there's no limit to the number that can die and it will be their fault, not Israel's. A quarter million can die in one raid and they'll have died according to Bebe because their bodies are telegenic.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
25. The "Telegenically Dead" Did Not Work So Well For The Surviving Nazis At End Of WWII...
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 01:01 AM
Jul 2014

In fact... they tried to destroy the evidence...



On the way out...

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
27. "Telegenically Dead"
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 01:36 AM
Jul 2014

No words could possibly characterize the ultimate sociopath than those. If there are people who have any concept of humanity, they will see clearly that this man is the perfect example of a sociopath just by these words alone.

He has perfectly outed himself.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
29. That was the talk of a heartless mad man, the whole world saw that clearly. Bibi thinks himself
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 10:18 AM
Jul 2014

so clever with words, he out clevered himself.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
30. If Putin and Russia can be sanctioned..why can't Bibi and Israel? Oh, I forgot, we have laws against
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 10:53 AM
Jul 2014

sanctioning Israel for anything, including war crimes.

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