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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 05:51 AM Jul 2014

Shockingly, Rand Paul Could be the GOP Nominee and Trouble for the Dems.

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/shockingly-rand-paul-could-be-gop-nominee-and-trouble-dems


U.S. Senator Rand Paul speaking at the 2014 Conservative Political Action Conference.
Photo Credit: Shutterstock, Copyright (c) Christopher Halloran

In 2008, Barack Obama was the candidate of change, first for Democrats and then the nation. For 2016, those same political stars, to be the agent of change, appear to be lining up behind Rand Paul, Kentucky’s Republican U.S. senator.

Yes, that Rand Paul, who is more accurately labeled as a shrink-the-government Libertarian and has a long history of questionable statements on race. Just as there are signs that Americans are not enthralled by Hillary Clinton’s likely return to the presidential fold (In June, it was Monica Lewinsky; in July, it’s her book), there are signs that Paul is pulling ahead of better-known Republican rivals.

It’s not just that Paul is the clear frontrunner in a new and credible national poll. He has supporters across every key GOP demographic by age and faction, from Tea Partiers to corporate America to the religious right. Younger men, who aren’t likely to vote for Clinton, find his "maverick" personality new and appealing. Similarly, the millennial generation is superficially embracing the Libertarian idea that the government should leave them alone to do as they please. Marijuana laws are one example.

“This guy can win the nomination,” pollster John Zogby said Friday, adding he did not have that view until he took a deeper look at a June 27-29 nationwide survey he conducted. Paul was not only in first place with 20 percent in a crowded field of 10, he had deeper support than “establishment” Republicans. New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and ex-Florida Jeb Bush each polled at 13 percent. Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker had 8 percent, while Florida Sen. Marco Rubio had 7 percent. Five others had even less support. Other national polls put Paul in the lead, but Zogby has him clearly out front.
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Shockingly, Rand Paul Could be the GOP Nominee and Trouble for the Dems. (Original Post) xchrom Jul 2014 OP
Paul is interesting but I believe that the GOP establishment will take him out. bklyncowgirl Jul 2014 #1
I have to agree Aerows Jul 2014 #15
I wish reddread Jul 2014 #2
Jeb would be a less popular nominee among the hard core teabag base than Romney was. stevenleser Jul 2014 #3
remains to be seen reddread Jul 2014 #5
Zogby? Seriously? Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #4
there is another kind these days? reddread Jul 2014 #6
Well, there is precedent for a rug-wearing President KamaAina Jul 2014 #7
Except Washington Never wore a wig Bandit Jul 2014 #14
Do you know Aerows Jul 2014 #16
Schrodinger's Rug? KamaAina Jul 2014 #17
DUzy! Aerows Jul 2014 #18
If Democrats can't beat a loon like this, they deserve to lose nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #8
so Rand Paul is Pro Choice and supports gay rights including same sex marriage ? JI7 Jul 2014 #9
I used to pray that he would be the GOP candidate. Now, he's looking scarier. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #10
I wouldn't be surprised - TBF Jul 2014 #11
Why would he be trouble? I would be surprised if 1 out of 100 progressives vote for him over stevenleser Jul 2014 #12
Two words gratuitous Jul 2014 #13
It's fairly well documented that he is a bigot, racist, liar, and a cheat... bluesbassman Jul 2014 #19

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
1. Paul is interesting but I believe that the GOP establishment will take him out.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 07:07 AM
Jul 2014

What makes Rand Paul a threat is that even those on the left can agree with some of his positions especially on foreign policy. That is exactly why I think that the business wing of the GOP will take him out one way or the other--especially if they think he is serious about this.



 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
15. I have to agree
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 05:14 PM
Jul 2014

He scares the shit out of them on reducing the MIC, and neither side is going to agree with that. Not that I think he would do anything differently on the home front about income inequality or anything else, he'll just slash the military budget and obviously, that cannot be done.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
2. I wish
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 09:21 AM
Jul 2014

Jeb will be there in the end.
anyone who thinks they can change that best walk everywhere with one eye on the sky.
one plane crash is all it takes.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
3. Jeb would be a less popular nominee among the hard core teabag base than Romney was.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 09:24 AM
Jul 2014

None of these folks are a concern. All of them are unelectable.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
5. remains to be seen
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 01:39 PM
Jul 2014

None of them should be elected.
The last Bush wasnt, so Im not sure what your point is?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
16. Do you know
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 05:16 PM
Jul 2014

if what Rand Paul has on his head is alive or dead? Because I still can't figure that out.

TBF

(32,056 posts)
11. I wouldn't be surprised -
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 04:08 PM
Jul 2014

but he's beatable. He'd have to radically change his views on women and the economy to have a shot. The only thing he has going for him is legalization of marijuana.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
12. Why would he be trouble? I would be surprised if 1 out of 100 progressives vote for him over
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 04:13 PM
Jul 2014

Hillary if that is to whom it comes down.

He is against any kind of protection for workers.

He is more supply side than 'W' or Reagan combined.

He would attempt to disable any anti-pollution laws.

He would attempt to hack at social security and medicare.

He would try to repeal Obamacare and replace it with nothing, zero, zilch.

He would appoint right wingnut justices like Scalia and Thomas.

He is not interested in women's equality at all.

If there are progressives dumb enough to vote for him we can't worry about those people.

Edited to add:
Those above items are the obvious things. Sure, he talks a good game about being pro drug legalization and anti involvement in Foreign wars. Who would he nominate to be Sec Def and the rest of his cabinet positions. Would he nominate Democrats or Progressives? No, he would nominate Republicans. And those folks are going to push neocon pro war and pro war on drugs agendas. Paul could certainly overrule them, but progressives would stand a good chance of getting absolutely zero from their votes.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
13. Two words
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 04:13 PM
Jul 2014

Puh-leeze. Paul will get the GOP nomination about the same time as Dick Cheney admits to crimes against humanity and turns himself in.

Also, despite the repeat opinings of several blogosphere luminaries, I see no justification for thinking that Rand Paul will win the brogressive vote, or garner more than 12 votes total across the country if such a phenomenon in fact exists (which I highly doubt).* Paul has on one or two occasions made noises that sounded like the right things to say, but I have concluded that was mostly by accident. He certainly didn't approach the problem from a liberal worldview, and came to his pleasant-sounding talking point mostly as a way station on to his ultimate destination in crazy town.

The Republican base is now so demented that Reagan looks like a dope-smoking radical. Rand Paul will not be the GOP candidate for president in 2016 or ever.

*Diagram THAT sentence, ya grammar nazis!

bluesbassman

(19,372 posts)
19. It's fairly well documented that he is a bigot, racist, liar, and a cheat...
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 05:31 PM
Jul 2014

And while that's nothing extraordinary for a repug, his stuff is especially egregious. If he does somehow manage to get the nomination, it should be pretty easy to rip his positions and history to shreds on the national stage if the Democrat nominee's campaign has even a bit on the ball. As the saying goes, he may "play well in Peoria", but the country is a whole different matter.

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