Recently, I saw something about the "MRA movement"...

[ReverendDeuce]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Warren Stupidity (a host of the General Discussion forum).

There was a thread earlier which contained instructions for people to block Hobby Lobby posts, if they should desire. It almost went down in flames due to the DU jury system and was saved by a 4-3 "keep it" vote. I appreciated it because there are seemingly a dozen Hobby Lobby posts that keep surfacing over and over again. I don't care about watching DU'ers eat their own in these threads arguing over whatever. The SCOTUS decision was horseshit and everybody with a dime's worth of sense knows it. But there are just too many posts rehashing the same stuff! So naturally, I was overjoyed to find a way to get rid of them.

I replied and my post was subsequently taken down by a jury. I got to see the reasons and it's amazing how people can equate my defense of the OP as my being a member of some "pro-MRA movement"... I had no idea what that meant, until I looked it up on the Wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men's_rights_movement

"The men's rights movement (MRM) is a part of the larger men's movement. It branched off from the men's liberation movement in the early 1970s. The men's rights movement contests claims that men have greater power, privilege or advantage than women and focuses on what it considers to be issues of male disadvantage, discrimination and oppression. The MRM is considered to be a backlash or countermovement to feminism, often as a result of a perceived threat to traditional gender roles."

So, let me see if I get this straight... Because I am burned out on Hobby Lobby posts and thanked the OP for providing instructions, which are built into DU to auto-hide posts for this very reason, I am labeled a member of the so-called "Men's Rights Movement"? Are you kidding me? Let me "Rachel Maddow" this here: I decide that I want to use a feature of DU to hide redundant posts and I thank an OP for sharing the instructions, I am labeled an MRM supporter. Really? Really...

The circle-the-wagon-at-all-costs stuff is just too nuts sometimes... I can't wait to see the peanut gallery toss around the MRM label when Hillary enters the race. I'll have my popcorn ready for the PUMA 2.0 festival of lights (aka DU civil war 2016).

[cyberswede]

1. IBTL

On edit: I suggest reading other replies in a thread to get a feel for what is actually going on in the thread before you reply. In this case, the OP was a backhanded way of trolling the Hobby Lobby decision, of which you might not have been aware.

[ReverendDeuce]

2. Why on earth would this be locked? n/t

n/t

[cyberswede]

10. It's complaining about a locked thread, which is against the SoP of this forum.

I hope you read my edit of my original post - I realize my post was too abrupt before.

[ReverendDeuce]

14. Nope, the thread was _NOT_ locked. n/t

n/t

[cyberswede]

21. Oops - I'm sorry; I meant complaining about a hidden thread. nt

[ReverendDeuce]

17. Ahh, okay... so that makes sense then...

I still object to being callously dumped into the so-called "MRA movement"... I was reading about them and it's patently ridiculous.

[cyberswede]

25. Glad to hear you're not an MRA.

They're really horrible people.

Sorry you stepped in someone else's troll poop, and caught hell for it.

[JTFrog]

34. It should be.

But given the subject matter, I'm sure it will be ignored for quite a while.

[cyberswede]

39. There are 3 alerts, currently.

I'm NAGDH, so I don't feel it's my place to post them in F&G. This thread might get pretty long, though. LOL

[JTFrog]

46. I'm shocked.

No, really....



(not at you of course, but that there are multiple alerts being ignored)

[leftstreet]

3. Er...I think you missed the point

Telling people what they should/shouldn't talk about is rude

[ReverendDeuce]

4. Nobody was telling me what the OP should/should not talk about...

He was discussing the "auto hide" feature of DU, and people were equating that with being pro-MRA because the example used was Hobby Lobby posts.

[LeftyMom]

8. No, people read his OP in the context of his other posts.

[Scootaloo]

63. Bingo

There's this weird delusion that every new post comes with a clean slate and that all the thousands and thousands before have no relevance to this one.

But this is hardly surprising, millions of readers keep buying Stephen King books because they think "maybe this time it'll be good!"

[leftstreet]

15. "Everybody with a dime's worth of sense" already knows abt autohide n/t

[ReverendDeuce]

22. Sorry, I did not know about it. I think it's useful.

So there! Nyah!

[leftstreet]

27. There are peeps here who'd never heard of HL

Yet you suggest that, within a couple of weeks, if members here didn't fully grasp the case and ruling they were stupid

[treestar]

57. They know the poster

I think that had a lot to do with it. As someone said, just hide the threads, rather than make an OP about hiding the threads.

I agree you don' t have to be MRA to not want to read the threads, if you're just not interested. But when someone loudly announces they are not interested and many are not, it feeds into the idea it's not a big deal because it's just a woman's issue.

[Blue_Adept]

36. Except it happens all the time?

How many posts do you see where people are talking about 2016 presidential elections have people practically screaming inside '2014!' and to stop talking about 2016.

Constantly. Pretty much every one. And anything talking about any potential candidate has the same.

[hlthe2b]

5. So, you can't just hide threads and be done with it... Gotta stir the shit, eh?

[ReverendDeuce]

9. Yes, because I was floored... It's baffling... n/t

n/t

[bravenak]

6. Is there a question in there?

Are you asking if you are an MRA or if you got called an MRA? I think you got called one. Maybe your answer sounded like something they say? Maybe the poster of the op in question wears that label and you got lumped in?
It's just that most dems care about the decision and have no need to write an op telling how to hide that issue in particular.

[ReverendDeuce]

12. Okay, I get it, but as Democrats, aren't we supposed to be against that sort of random judgements?

Lumping people together in groups... meh!

[bravenak]

16. No.

We lump ourselves together in a group. Democrats. We stick together, men and women or we fail. Support women and our issues or lose. We are the base of the party, not libertarians.

That's what political parties are. People lumped together into a group.

[ReverendDeuce]

20. I think you misunderstood.

I was saying that we are not known to callously label people. We want to understand and empathize rather than just write someone off as a constituency to ignore.

[bravenak]

28. Not true.

Teabaggers get labeled, racists get labeled, sovereign citizens get labeled, and mra anti women groups get labeled. We love labels as much as the next group. We labels ourselves.

And yes. We write off lost causes to save ourselves. We understand them perfectly and there is no point empathizing with hate. It will soil your soul to play with those types.

[Phentex]

45. UNDERSTAND AND EMPATHIZE?!!!

Did you see where he mentioned trashing the threads ABOUT A GOOD DU'ER who had a lung transplant?

Does that make you think the poster is a good Democrat? One who wants to understand and empathize?

[Harmony Blue]

26. Social justice activists

must lump people in categories so their world view isn't shattered.

It is myopic and self defeating and not a humanist point of view.

[Blue_Adept]

41. Your jury results

Always good to know in my opinion. Should be automatically mailed to the person who had a post altered/juried on.


On Mon Jul 7, 2014, 12:40 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Social justice activists
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5206429

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Insensitive, insulting, over the top and hurtful. " Social justice activists"? Gays, women and blacks need to shut up and not address their issues for the good of the whole? That would be white men. Harmony Blue has no problem continually dissing women thru Ops or in posts.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Jul 7, 2014, 12:49 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Was going to hide it until I read the alerter's comment. The alerter went on a rant attacking white men. The war on white men like myself needs to stop. If you prick us with a pin, don’t we bleed? If you tickle us, don’t we laugh? If you poison us, don’t we die? And if you treat us badly, won’t we try to get revenge? If we’re like you in everything else, we’ll resemble you in that respect.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: SO sick of this MRA nonsense being flung at everyone who isn't a HOF regular and for any or no reason. It gets old. Truly. And yes, I am female. Voting to let this stand.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This poster has a long history of making racist and sexist comments. His sneering comment at 'social justice activists' is part of his repulsive schtick. hide.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Harmony Blue is a troll.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: That's insensitive, insulting and hurtful? Oh my.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[daleanime]

64. It's not...

Do they inform you at all?

[bravenak]

49. Social justice activists?

Is that like a Community organizer?

[Blue_Adept]

51. no, it's a thing

At least among the younger set and those that work through a lot of this dialogue on tumblr, that's the label that's being used (not as a negative, mind you).

[bravenak]

53. Ahh.

Thanks for your explanation.

[Blue_Adept]

55. At least that's my view of it.

I watch my 14 year old daughter engage on tumblr and proudly take on the tag of a social justice activist as she learns, talks and engages with people from around the world on the ills of it all. It's extremely heartening watching her and her fellow freshmen friends talk about it, the wrongs, how it should be fixed and so forth. They're at the cusp of your standard activism but have found it easier to connect with others and share, reblog and raise awareness. Which does cause trending and more awareness, etc. So I find it all to be quite positive.

[bravenak]

58. I believe this person believes it is a negative thing.

When i question him on sounding like his leaning are rightward i usually get no actual real response. This person wrote an op quite sympathetic to the Isla vista shooter. And other questionable ops, so i wonder about him and try to engage.

[Blue_Adept]

59. People can twist terms to be sure

I'd hate to see this one take on a negative connotation.

[LeftyMom]

7. Did you really need to start another thread about the lady people starting too many threads?

[Harmony Blue]

11. Don't let it bother you

a select few will label you a MRA even if you just disagree.

For example, I am a grass eater or a Herbivore man which has no connection to the MRA movement but people try to assign the label of MRA upon me. Reality is that MRA's and Feminists agree on many points but they are too busy shouting past each other to realize the common ground.

Leaders like President Obama and Hillary Clinton realize you need to find common ground even with opponents that disagree with your views (eg Republicans). That is why they are prominent leaders while others are not apparently.

[cyberswede]

18. Maybe it's the MRA talking points you use that earns you that label?

Or your consistent dismissal of issues of concern to women?

...and MRAs are really a hate group - I wouldn't say they agree with feminists on "many points."

[Harmony Blue]

24. I do not use MRA talking points

because I disagree with many of the MRA talking points.

I am a Herbivore. Being a Herbivore implies you disagree with the MRA traditional talking points. Learn about what the Grass eater phenomena is about and then you can fully comprehend.

[LeftyMom]

29. Look, we all know you guys think the divisions between just how you resent women are important.

They're really not and we don't care about your internecine drama.

[TDale313]

43. + 1000 n/t

[JTFrog]

33. Yea, you do.

Maybe if you learned more about the history of women's rights in this country and in the world then you could fully comprehend.

In the meantime, you know what they say about it being better to remain silent than to remove all doubt.

[bravenak]

19. I love your comments.

I get a good one off of them every-time. Be over here rolling!

[LeftyMom]

23. I like to pretend they're posted by some hillarious troll who is laughing her ass off spoofing sad,

lonely guys who resent women.

[bravenak]

30. Oh, you do that too!!?!

I thought it was just me. Ever since he told me he was from Compton so he 'knew' all about black people, i knew i needed to watch him.

[el_bryanto]

13. What is the central idea that you are trying to get across with this post? nt

[LanternWaste]

31. I certainly understand that minimizing and trivializing civil rights can be wearisome enough for the

I certainly understand that minimizing and trivializing civil rights can be wearisome enough for the enlightened, and their righteousness in specifically advertising that they don't wish to be part of those conversations is truly accorded all the value it is indeed, worth...

[muriel_volestrangler]

32. (a) this is whining about a jury, so against the SoP; (b) you were insulting in that post

No-one has posted the jury results yet, but here is your hidden post:

It's an important issue, but the threads here are like watching the fetid, dried remains of the dead horse still getting whipped into the dirt by those who fit the right-wing caricature of liberal, nothing left but bone fragments, hoof bits, and some hair. It's like that scene from 2001 where the monkeys have discovered how to kill and they, albeit cautiously, continue to wallop on the carcass of their clearly vanquished adversary as a show of force towards the others.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025204896#post80

Call DUers "the right-wing caricature of liberal" and liken them to "monkeys", and some will feel insulted.

[pinboy3niner]

35. +1

Nailed it again, sister!

[hlthe2b]

40. good gawd... and the poster can't figure out why their post was hidden?

I'd say an MRA comparison he complains about was mild, given that ugly drivel he posted.

[TDale313]

60. Can't imagine why that woulda gotten hidden.

Oh, yeah, wait. I can.

[In_The_Wind]

62. Holy crap!

[myrna minx]

37. Good gravy - the howls, yelps and mewling that takes place when women post about

about issues that are important to us is just embarrassing.

[Starry Messenger]

38. So now you know.

Pretty long-winded for a poster whining about seeing too much discussion of a topic.

[theHandpuppet]

44. I read your contribution to the thread in question

I thought your post could have been a serious contender in the Bulwer Lytton contest for bad writing - if they had an MRA category, that is. Too bad some folks can't get another peek at it now because I can't think of too many posts more deserving of erasure than that disgusting, self-important screed.

[theHandpuppet]

48. I see that Muriel has reposted your literary gem upthread

But by all means, continue on with your charade.

[Bobbie Jo]

47. The context is incomplete here

So where is the hidden post and juror comments?

[theHandpuppet]

50. See post #32 in this thread.

It's self-explanatory.

[Bobbie Jo]

52. Good grief

No wonder he skated past that one.

[Comrade Grumpy]

54. The bile that oozes from these threads is disappointing.

There seems to be way too much internecine hostility. Don't we have Republicans to fight?

[Blue_Adept]

56. Nope

We gotta fight amongst ourselves first it seems. To fix the world we have to fix ourselves and the errant part of our Democratic allies.

[MadrasT]

61. Oh well.

I keyword trash topics all the time without feeling compelled to announce it to anybody.

Announcing that you did it is passive aggressive bullshit.

[Warren Stupidity]

65. Locking as disruptive meta.

Please take the complaints about how bad DU is to ATA.