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This was a case where you just lost control of normal restraint, Judge Michael Mettyear continued in his assessment of Setford. She was a pretty girl who you fancied. You simply could not resist. You had sex with her.
Not a classic rapist. Simply could not resist. Not a danger. This is everything that is wrong with how we view and talk about rape, and this is hardly an isolated incident. There are scripts that most people assume all rapes should follow, and roles that rapists and victims are both expected to play. The persistence of these myths about who counts as a classic rapist and who makes for a good victim is astonishing considering how much we know about perpetrators of sexual violence, particularly in the United States.
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And this erasure has consequences. Its what allows ignorant people like George Will to pretend that most sexual assaults are just ambiguities of the hookup culture. Its what allows politicians and law enforcement to ignore the experiences of survivors on college campuses, in the military, in prisons and every other place where sexual violence occurs. (Which is everywhere.) It dismisses the women and men who told their assailants no, but were ignored. The wives who told their husbands no, but were ignored. The sexual assaults that dont involve a weapon, but instead feature much more insidious forms of coercion. This is what sexual violence really looks like, but these arent the stories we tell ourselves about sexual violence.
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http://www.salon.com/2014/07/03/judge_says_man_who_raped_sleeping_woman_is_not_a_classic_rapist_just_lost_control/
musette_sf
(10,200 posts)the patriarchy have ruled for millennia??
WhiteTara
(29,706 posts)while we dither and try to negotiate and find balance?
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)fighting for equal rights, for example. I will never understand in the US how some can vote into office some of the stunning assholes we have in positions of authority. Are Americans simply that ignorant and stupid to vote for those that will do the most harm to them.
LoisB
(7,203 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)tblue37
(65,340 posts)that he thought women were smarter than men, but he said the reason men have all the power is "because we can beat you up." Then he mentioned Margaret Thatcher, who was in power at the time: "Margaret Thatcher is the most powerful women in the world," he said, "but I could kick her *ss!"
Of course, I disagree that women are smarter than men--on average there is no difference in intelligence between the sexes--but most men are stronger than women (men have, on average 70% greater upper body strength than women).
Obviously many other things contribute to the development and maintaining of a patriarchal social system, but the fact that men are usually stronger than women is not a minor detail.
***BTW, Rock was not saying that it is a good thing that men have power because they are stronger--he was just saying it was, in his opinion, the main contributing factor.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)That's okay then.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)he may be a danger to more sleeping women. Some rapists like dead women. Judge was out of order on this one.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)shenmue
(38,506 posts)"Here are some more people who ought to be thrown screaming off a cliff..." - George Carlin
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Just a nobleman who has gone wrong.
warrant46
(2,205 posts)And Behavior
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)the the Flasher.
Not to be confused with his brother Chester the Molester.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Obviously a cubical dweller.
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Too many people think like this- otherwise the fucker would not feel safe to say it.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Can't help himself, has to rape an unconscious person. That's rape rape.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Otherwise he wouldn't feel safe saying it.
Wouldn't feel like he owed the guy some kind of apology.
Wouldn't feel himself identifying/ sympathizing with the guy.
Women aren't really people in this mindset.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Nope, what a silly assumption. You;d think they'd actually read up a bit before showing their ignorance here.
JustAnotherGen
(31,819 posts)If not - then shoot me now. Please - it would be a blessing.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)a slut, and so fair game.
JustAnotherGen
(31,819 posts)A pathetic sociopath posts among us.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)sounds so awesome you just can't help yourself?
ismnotwasm
(41,977 posts)Hong Kong Cavalier
(4,572 posts)Solly Mack
(90,764 posts)Judge is scum. Nothing but garbage.
K&R
3catwoman3
(23,975 posts)Was he a "legitimate" rapst?
Judge Mettyear, meet Todd Aikin.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)surprised to see this is in the UK, but I guess this sort of idiocy can be anywhere - I thought it would be a relative of those teabaggers from a few years back - the "forcible rape" guy or the other guy that said a woman's body could shut down the pregnancy.
Can you impeach judges in the UK? This guy is obviously not fit for duty.
How would he feel if his daughter or wife were sleeping and some guy came along & just lost control around them?
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)and just lost control around him?
tclambert
(11,085 posts)make any sense then? That is how a judge should think. But he went for the anti-woman approach. The judge should be sentenced to watch this video 500 times:
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Someone should check for the skeletons in this judge's closet. Since it's okay to 'fancy' a woman and have a sex with her while incapacitated.
Reminiscent of the court who threw out the case of a man who raped a disabled woman with the mind of a child who had cerebral palsy, because she did put up enough of a fight...
And a judge who let a middle aged guy off for raping a 6 year old girl years ago.
The judge claimed she 'seduced' the man and was 'promiscuous.' I never forgot that one.
This is rape culture. And yes, every woman knows.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)It sickens me, disgusts me ... but no longer surprises me
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)Throd
(7,208 posts)IronLionZion
(45,433 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)it's not like everyone naturally wakes up rapey and only some lack the willpower to avoid it!
Wolf Frankula
(3,600 posts)He can best do that in a room with bars on the window, and breaking rocks on the road gang.
Wolf
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)kairos12
(12,859 posts)or the Hobby Lobby 5 here.
Lucky Luciano
(11,254 posts)...a rather swarthy man hiding out in a dark alley or parking garage with a knife/gun who surprises a fair skinned mother of two, knocks over her groceries, pushes her into his creepy van, and kidnaps her - then drives to some scary location out in the sticks or some abandoned building where he then forces himself on her. After he is done, he dumps her violated body and soul near some abandoned industrial park where she finally finds the strength to stagger back to civilization. At that point, she flags down a car whose occupants drive her to a hospital or police station.
I think this is the only thing that qualifies as rape to a certain kind of people - the swarthy characteristic of the assailant is probably the key point in all of he above.
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)Thanks for the thread, redqueen.
William769
(55,146 posts)Tikki
(14,557 posts)Tikki
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)MadrasT
(7,237 posts)He sees women as "the other", not as human beings just like himself.
mbperrin
(7,672 posts)The rapist's name is Lee Setford, and he has a previous conviction for assault.
Good thing they're in Britain - over here some rednecks and their relatives might give 'em both a necktie party.
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)Yet another male judge who absolves a rapist because hey, an unconscious woman should know better, right? If you can't say "No", that means yes, right?
I guess the good news is the planet is moving towards feminization as part of its natural cycle. The patriarchy is going to be extinct within the next century, and the matriarchy is ready to take over for a time. We're seeing the final death throes, and unfortunately, there will be many more stories like this.
Rex
(65,616 posts)That judge needs to be fired ASAP.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)A judge has the stones to make a twisted pronouncement like that and still stay on the bench?
I hope that he is not allowed to judge another case ever.
liberalhistorian
(20,818 posts)not a "classic racist", then, just a man who "lost control?" Sheesh, what a stupid, ignorant, misogynist judge.
moriah
(8,311 posts)... "lose control", right?
Looking at the original article, she was drunk to the point of being unconscious at various points in the night. She also vomited, which should be a good sign to a guy that the girl has ingested enough alcohol to make her physically ill -- that she's not a great candidate for sex -- more for someone to watch her and make sure she doesn't pass out and puke up more.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I've fancied many pretty girls but never considered raping a single one.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)intaglio
(8,170 posts)because of undue leniency.
Because I and other Brits will have e-mailed the Attorney General for such a review
https://www.gov.uk/complain-about-low-crown-court-sentence
flvegan
(64,407 posts)Okay fellas, a quick recap (in case you missed it...some of you are kind of dumb):
IF a woman shows up at your house, don't rape her. K? The following subset of rules apply to this main rule.
It doesn't matter how drunk she is.
It doesn't matter if she's with another woman when she arrives.
It doesn't matter if she's SO drunk she's puking and then passing out.
It doesn't matter that she didn't say "no" as silence is NOT acquiescence when it comes to sex.
It doesn't matter if you "fancy" her. (dumb fucking judge)
You CAN resist. Holy shit, how stupid are some people? "You couldn't resist." What, did I miss the testimony about the gun put to this man's head? The knife to his infant's throat?
Sigh. At least the jury saw it for what it was, I suppose.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Now go to Pakistan you half wit author then go check out some countries in Africa, when you get done with that give me a call and we will take the next step.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Not nations where women are still officially controlled by men. Oh wait- we are that too here. Never mind.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)makes some idiotic fucking comments, THAT is why there is a story-
So, you are right, in Pakistan it would be a miracle just to have a trial in the first place.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)unlike say, in the Sudan
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)who make it to the papers are rare. Actual injustice, however, is not. Process the fucking rape kits already, people. Try to pretend you care about prosecuting rapists.
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ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Rapes of opportunity were the oldest rapes. The victims were family members, spouses, raided villagers, guests, etc. Life was too difficult for most people to go out in search of victims, so rapists victimized those around them. This is still the most common form of rape because it is the easiest.
This is the more modern type of rapist. People moved closer together, left home for work, etc. The serial/stalking kind of rape was much easier when people became more "civilized/domesticated."
bemildred
(90,061 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)My post divides rape into two categories, as does "legitimate rape" versus "illegitimate rape." However, unlike "legitimate rape," my post doesn't claim some rapes are illegitimate. My post claims some rapes are easier, more convenient, than others for the rapist, and the easier rapes were the "classic rapes," to use the judge's terminology.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)A term from the 2012 election in Missouri, IIRC. Mourdock or one of those clowns.
Your post is fine.