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TeamsterDem

(1,173 posts)
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 06:46 PM Apr 2012

Is Mitt Romney sane?

He keeps saying that Obama made the recession worse (but then says he didn't say that at all), and now he's saying Obama is dishonest, in his words a "hide-and-seek" candidate who doesn't really let his true positions on issues be known. WTF? The pot has never been a harsher critic of the kettle.

Mitt Romney of all fucking people says Obama is dishonest. MITT ROMNEY, the captain of lies and morphing his positions to suit polls. THAT GUY. I usually don't let the Republicans get me riled up with their dishonesty but this is just getting to be too much.

Is it that he's not entirely sane, or does he think no one will notice that his descriptions of Obama don't actually fit?

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Enrique

(27,461 posts)
1. he's abnormal
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 06:47 PM
Apr 2012

even for a politician he really lies an incredible amount.

edit: but, it's probably his only chance of winning, if he has any chance. In his own words, speaking to Laura Ingraham, "do you have a better idea, Laura?"

TeamsterDem

(1,173 posts)
2. In all honesty I've never seen a politician lie this much
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 07:00 PM
Apr 2012

I've been politically aware for a long time (about 25 years) and nowhere have I ever seen a guy tell it like it ain't with such frequency. The guy won't even tell the truth about his dog on top of the car, saying it was a "sealed" unit ... if it was "sealed" your dog would suffocate, asshole. It's as if every element of Romney is some fiction writer's creation because I couldn't point to one SINGLE, SOLITARY element of Romney and say "well, at least we know he feels strongly about that" because even his tax cutting reinvention doesn't follow with his previously public positions.

The guy is a habitual liar, and not a terribly good one. To their credit Republican voters have done a good job of shunning him despite his barrage of money, but this dishonest asshole needs more good reamings in the press as Rachel Maddow recently gave him.

TeamsterDem

(1,173 posts)
5. I guess it's that which I question directly: his accomplishments with the lies
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 07:15 PM
Apr 2012

While the died-in-the-wool conservative voter will lap it up without question, I guess I can't see how such a strategy is getting him anywhere. I don't have any poll numbers to support my argument, but I'd guess that a TRUE independent (presuming there are any) and the moderate elements in both parties probably can't reconcile Romney's version of things with reality. It reminds me of the problems we had with John Kerry to the extent that Kerry was viewed as a flip-flopper: He very likely lost that election because voters prefer a genuine article - even an extreme, doltish article such as Dubya - over someone they can't really seem to figure out.

Add to that Romney's objectively wrong interpretations both of the economy (it is improving) and Obama as a "liberal extremist," neither of the two seeming to jibe either with reality or with voters' impressions of the two things.

Unfortunately my union's membership base is such that we have a considerable number (a minority, but a considerable one) of right-leaning folks. In that capacity I wind up talking to Republicans a lot, and even they don't seem to know just which Barack Obama Mr. Romney is talking about. Granted, if they're Republican they're planning on voting for Romney, but the most common reaction they seem to have in defense of Romney is first to look away, then to shrug their shoulders, and finally to lay claim to some argument basically comprised of "anything would be better than Obama." That's a problem, and so too is that true moderates seem unimpressed with Romney's approach - very likely because it's based on little more than disingenuous rhetoric sprinkled with a heaping dollop of lies.

emulatorloo

(44,124 posts)
11. He's got tons of cash + Rove's + Koch's cash to spread these lies
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 07:45 PM
Apr 2012

Endgame is to try to drive up Obama's negatives.

That was his strategy in the primary "the other guy is way WORSE tham me."

The Blue Flower

(5,442 posts)
7. Sheer projection in that instance
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 07:35 PM
Apr 2012

Like his comment yesterday about the President being flown all over the country in a plane surrounded by yes men so that he's completely out of touch. But the lying is just insane to me. I've never heard anyone make such bald-faced mendacious statements on the campaign trail. He knows he's safe making them to rw audiences because he knows they'd never think about checking the facts. They've been conditioned to accept that war is peace, up is down, black is white. Well, maybe not the last one.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
9. I think he's not very bright if he thinks that all these lies will not be addressed by the Obama
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 07:37 PM
Apr 2012

campaign and democratic groups.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
10. He will act as crazy as necessary to win the Republican nomination
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 07:45 PM
Apr 2012

King George and Juana La Loca crazy if that's what it takes. And this year, Republican constituents including Teabaggers and evolution-denying Fundies want strong signs of insanity in their candidate before they will vote for them.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
12. Not by any definition I want to depend on but in context
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 07:55 PM
Apr 2012

He is just utterly dishonest and makes dumbass Dubya look like he gave a fuck.

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