If you work at Hobby lobby why dont you quit?

[Travis_0004]

I think hobby lobby should provide better health insurance, but if their coverage sucks, why dont you quit.

I realize finding a new job isnt easy but if there was a very successful buycott of hobby lobby they would go out of business and you would be unemployed anyway.

[el_bryanto]

1. I'd be curious if anybody who worked at hobby lobby also posts at DU

and if they do if they would say that they do (given how they would be attacked).

That said, I can certainly understand why in this economy a job in the hand is worth two in the bush, particularly if you are feeding a family and there aren't really all that many jobs in the bush.

Bryant

[WillowTree]

43. I worked there briefly several years ago.

Hated every minute of it. But truthfully, that had more to do with the store manager who was there at the time who was a shrew. I wasn't there long enough to have formed an opinion about the company itself aside from the fact that they paid more than most retail jobs on the one hand, but did everything in the most archiac way possible on the other. Word has it from people I know who are still there, HL got rid of that manager shortly after I took my leave and things have been better since (they even have computerized cash registers now!).

[TDale313]

2. Easy to say when it's not your life/job. n/t

[JustAnotherGen]

3. +100

[Coventina]

4. No kidding.

I've worked for some pretty despicable companies in my adult life.

Sometimes for years at a time when circumstances demanded it.

Leaving a job, especially in this economy, is a huge risk unless you have a very robust support system in place.

[joeglow3]

5. But, as pointed out, isn't the goal of most on DU to put them out of a job?

Maybe they should get a jump start in the job market on their coworkers...

[Coventina]

9. I don't know about other states, but here in AZ if you quit you get no gov't assistance.

However, if you LOSE a job, you do get gov't assistance.

Huge difference.

[RKP5637]

26. That's been the way in most states where I've lived too. n/t

[TDale313]

10. Actually, my "goal" was to

support their and other workers right to decent health care, not shame or punish them more for working for a company that I don't like because of the way they are treating their workers.

[joeglow3]

12. But we both know they will not offer it, even if it means taking the company down.

Thus, the only achievable goal is to put the company out of business and, thus, the employee out of a job. I am not saying that should not be our goal. However, it is best the employees get their resumes out as soon as possible.

[kcr]

14. Wasn't it sad when Chic Fil A went out of business?

Oh, wait...

[redqueen]

17. This is the kind of suggestion I'm used to hearing from rightwingers.

Don't like it? Leave! Nobody's forcing you to blah blah blah.

Pff

[Brisk]

42. Agreed...

[IggleDoer]

6. Sadly, that could work to HL's advantage.

Then HL can hire more of their kind of x-tians. Maybe that's what they really want - to discriminate against other races and religions

[Fawke Em]

11. That might be a better idea.

Let them continue to live in their old old-world bubble and leave the rest of us out of it. We don't want to be there anyway.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

30. I happen to think you're right. Maybe not in such strong terms but

"Live and let live" is still good advice.

[lostincalifornia]

7. First of all jobs are hard to find. Second, in the case the government will cover what HL won't.

In fact they already had that policy in place after the ACA was passed.

So if someone has a family, needs the job, why would they quit a job.

The only way that would work is if they found another job first

[MineralMan]

8. If you had bothered to think about it, you'd have your answer.

Apparently, you did not.

[HockeyMom]

13. They certainly can opt out of Hobby Lobby's insurance

Is it totally free to their employees? Doubt that. Their employees probably don't make very much money and would get subsides under the ACA (and contraceptive coverage), unless they live in certain states.

[dsc]

24. No they can't

if your employer offers insurance that costs less than a certain percentage of your income (I think 9.5%) then you are not able to get subsidies on the exchange.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

31. Suddenly market competition looks like a good thing.

Too bad the insurance corporations got their protectionist wish-list put into the ACA.

[Freddie]

25. No they can't

If your employer offers "affordable" (definition: the cost of coverage for the employee is 9% or less of your gross wage) you cannot buy off the exchange for yourself or your family with a subsidy, and full-price on the exchange is undoubtedly much more expensive than the employee's share of employer provided coverage. They have made it impossible for female employees to get any contraception coverage.

[Iggo]

15. Why don't you quit your job?

You know, in protest.

[Travis_0004]

18. I like my job

But I would quit if a better opportunity came along.

[OKNancy]

16. The employees probably have no problem with their religious bent

In fact, I bet when they employ someone they (illegally) figure out if the employee is one of them...

In fact I'm pretty sure of it. I have a relative who works there. She is religious. They also pay her a lot.
In fact they wooed her away from another job with high pay and family friendly work hours.

We don't discuss politics or religion AT ALL!!

[bettyellen]

19. some of us would rather fight for reproductive freedom for women- why don't you support that if you

call yourself a democrat? Why are you not concerned that the Supreme Court has ruled to discriminate against women only?

[Lunacee_2013]

20. I don't think it's that easy.

I use to work there, about 7-8 years ago, but the only reason I was able to quit and work at home and continue to go to school is because my family had enough money to help. Not everyone is that lucky. I imagine that most other Americans don't have that option, which is why we have to fight back and stop the right wing from taking everything over. Most of us really don't have a choice. It's either work or starve, and when it comes to health care, something is better then nothing.

I don't shop there anymore, either. And I use to enjoy going there, which is a little odd for me because I don't like to shop, but I loved going through the store and picking out my next project. I knew that they were very involved in their faith, which is fine, but after I heard about the court case I knew I could not give them anymore of my money or my time. I'm even thinking about sending them an e-mail explaining why I (along with a lot of my friends and family members) don't shop there anymore.

I see your point about not doing any business with them, at least not while they're trying to shove their own personal beliefs on the rest of us, but most people who work for an hourly minimum wage (and even some who earn a little more) don't have the option of quitting their jobs in protest. They have to eat and pay the bills somehow.

[Ilsa]

21. I heard that they pay better than most retailers.

Almost double minimum wage. I'm not sure this is at every store though.

Sometimes making rent takes precedence over principle when you are poor.

[TheKentuckian]

22. Because they need their job and from what I understand pays awesome for retail.

Of course some here approach Romney levels of out of touch, someone actually said something very close to "I think they only pay like 14.50, not that much", too high on the pyramid to understand that for many that is what we call a decent paying job, about double minimum wage, and that "just going to another job in the mall" will cost them 5, 6, or dawn near 7 bucks an hour that they will miss to the tune of maybe losing everything including a place to live.

[Starry Messenger]

23. I guess you don't get out much.

Several towns in CA are one-mall towns with one area to work. If your mall has one anchor store, and its one like Hobby Lobby, where are you going to get a new job? The bridle shop?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

27. Seriously? These days people take whatever jobs they can get.

And a job that comes with insurance with no contraceptive coverage is probably better than no job at all. Unfortunately most people are stuck with the jobs they have.

Someday I hope access to health care won't be tied to employment. This is a stupid system. The ACA is a definite improvement but it's not where we need to be.

[glowing]

28. I kind of don't understand this religious objection to birth control.

Is HL Catholic? Because my sister is the "religious" one of our family; and she definitely planned her family and uses birth control. Most people I know that are "religious" use birth control. No one has money for 8 - 10 kids these days. Not too many people I know would want to be living a life that looked like the Duggars with their 19 kids.

It's only recently that I've even heard of this objection to using birth control and calling it an "abortion"... Seriously! I don't know why people are having their heads turned upside down now or why it is going so extreme? Even those that object to abortions were on birth control themselves. The only religion I've ever hear of being expressly against preventing pregnancy is the Catholic Church (and I always assumed that was about making sure they had faithful followers with money landing Ina collection plate)... But even Catholics in this country have been ignoring the church on the use of birth control for a while now.

Seriously, what would this world's population look like if women weren't using any birth control what so ever? Look at what China has had to do to control their overpopulation! Limiting families to 1 child and encouraging birth control and the forced use of abortions if a 2nd child comes along. The map someone posted earlier regarding free birth control by govt included India and China; 2 places where overpopulation is a huge factor for govt to contend with.

To me, this example of Hobby Lobby being able to choose what it will and won't cover for its workers is a perfect example of why we need to take health care benefits away from employers all together and just charge them a tax to help pay for the subsidies on the exchange market; or go single payer and do away with the middle man expense if insurance companies.

[Coventina]

29. Mr. Green is part of the "Assemblies of God"

An evangelical, Pentecostal denomination.

A "holy roller" if you will....

[CountAllVotes]

32. Assembly of God church

I happen to know all about this place.

It is rotten from beginning to in (and the same place the Ms. Palin goes to church at as well ... that should tell you something ... holy roller hell is what it is IMO).

I had a run in with them several years ago (I knew nothing about them at all) and was absolutely shocked to find out what they were/are up to (which is no good at all).

Anyone that is entwined with the Assembly of God is looking for I do not know what but it is a real pile o'sh*t IMO.

I'll spare the details as to what happened to me but I will add that when it was all over with a local pastor advised me to stay away from them and that if they bother me again to tell them to "Go to hell!" and yes, that is a direct quote.

Just knowing of the affiliation to the Assembly of God tells one all they need to know about this "organization" which Mr. Green is a member of.

[Coventina]

34. I feel your pain. My mother was raised in an Assembly of God church.

So, she sent me to their Vacation Bible School in the summer.

They made a practice of showing the "Thief in the Night" movie series, all about Rapture theology.

It was deeply emotionally scarring.

I was well into my 20s before I stopped turning on the TV in the middle of the night to make sure the Rapture hadn't happened yet.

I will never forgive them for what they did to me, and thousands of other children.

[CountAllVotes]

36. Vacation Bible School

do I ever feel sorry for you.

I cannot imagine all of what you have been through but I'm sure it is plain awful given my exposure to this "cult" and yes, that is what they are, one very evil cult.

[Sheepshank]

37. who not only imposes his religious bigotry on his female employees

but writes it all down in a curriculum to be taught at school,s so kids are raised realizing his brand of female and hypocritical suppression.

Aren't we all so lucky to have a man like that direct young lives and be given credence and relevancy by the establishment, courts, schools, republicans, and the OP

[MadrasT]

33. Because it is a HORRIBLE FUCKING PRECEDENT.

How hard is that to understand?

It is WRONG. Period. End of discussion.

The fucking SUPREME COURT just ruled that women are not entitled to full health care if religious nutjobs object.

WE ARE NOT GODDAMN BROOD MARES to be controlled by old men in black robes and religious idiots.

Freedom OF religion does not mean freedom to IMPOSE THAT RELIGION on anybody else.

[Quantess]

41. As this were something trivial. Not like it's a horrible SC ruling that sets a dangerous precedent,

and opens up a Pandoras Box of potential lawsuits with the potential to erode yet more of our individual rights (of all genders).

I find it sad to see so many people, supposed democratic liberals at that, shrugging this off. Although, I suspect a good portion of them are neither liberals nor democrats.

[LynneSin]

35. I might not support Hobby Lobby as a business but in this economy....

I would never suggest that someone just up and quit their job.

[Trajan]

38. Says the interloping Gungeonite ....

The Gungeon is DU's unlocked gate ...

So easy to sneak in ....

[WinkyDink]

39. Yes! Then they could go into the "Apostrophes 'R' Us" biz, and you could shop there!

[NCTraveler]

40. Bush logic. nt.