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abakan

(1,808 posts)
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 12:31 PM Jun 2014

Missouri Town Discovers People Donít Like Vacationing Around People Openly Carrying Firearms

Source:Think Progress


Turns out, people don’t find it particularly relaxing to be surrounded by strangers carrying guns.

The Lake Ozark, Missouri Board of Alderman voted last week to ban gun owners from openly carrying firearms, even if they have a concealed carry permit, because they were afraid that armed individuals would chase away tourists. “We’ve had a tough time over the years promoting Lake Ozark as a family area,” Alderman Larry Buschjost explained. “We want you on the Strip with families, everywhere in Lake Ozark with families. We want you to bring your kids down here and let them loose. For the life of me, I don’t understand why I would have to carry any type of gun, concealed or otherwise.”

The ban was initiated by the local police chief, in part due to concerns raised by business owners.

These business owners’ concerns are hardly unique to one community in Missouri. After a group of pro-gun activists in Texas started showing up at businesses with assault rifles and other long guns, the restaurant chain Chipotle released a statement asking their patrons to leave their firearms at home because “the display of firearms in our restaurants has now created an environment that is potentially intimidating or uncomfortable for many of our customers.” Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz made a similar statement, explaining that “customers in many stores have been jarred and fairly uncomfortable to see guns in our stores.” Other companies, ranging from Whole Foods to Toys R Us to Ikea, also ban guns.

More: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/06/17/3449335/missouri-town-bans-openly-carrying-firearms-because-it-scares-off-tourists/

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Missouri Town Discovers People Donít Like Vacationing Around People Openly Carrying Firearms (Original Post) abakan Jun 2014 OP
All normal people don't like open carry. Period. nt onehandle Jun 2014 #1
Until there is a reliable way to tell a swaggering idiot apart from Warpy Jun 2014 #79
Shhhhhh! Maybe you shouldn't say that too loudly, Warpy! calimary Jun 2014 #80
Do you honestly think any of those gun slinging morons is going to listen to me? Warpy Jun 2014 #82
Yeah, I know what you mean. They wouldn't be listening to me, either. calimary Jun 2014 #85
This malaise Jun 2014 #88
exactly warpy Liberal_in_LA Jun 2014 #100
We are trying to figure out where to take a little summer jaunt to and Skidmore Jun 2014 #2
I had planned to move to Texas abakan Jun 2014 #3
It is anecdotal but TexasProgresive Jun 2014 #23
Thanks abakan Jun 2014 #25
Idiots with guns are not harmless. Jerry442 Jun 2014 #59
I haven't seen anybody carry a rifle or anything in Texas. Jazzgirl Jun 2014 #84
ha. i said the same in a post below. i am not a fan, but i am gonna be honest. what is being seabeyond Jun 2014 #47
i live in texas and i have yet to see one person, in all the time here, carrying around a gun. seabeyond Jun 2014 #46
I used to live in Richardson and had a friend who lived in Garland, she carried a gun EVERYWHERE! Hestia Jun 2014 #71
interesting. i never met her. so i still sit at not one in all of texas. with my decade and half seabeyond Jun 2014 #72
I dont want anyone to know I have one. It just draws unwanted attention. 7962 Jun 2014 #92
Neither have I.. awoke_in_2003 Jun 2014 #86
That's your experience. But you've learned about "Open Carry Texas" via DU I'm sure. alp227 Jun 2014 #97
Come to Maine. :^) GreenPartyVoter Jun 2014 #36
any town in maine, what would you choose. no restriction. cutsey place. sell me, baby. nt seabeyond Jun 2014 #48
Boothbay Harbor. bluedigger Jun 2014 #65
Sebec Lake Dover-Foxcroft, Maine Marthe48 Jun 2014 #105
If you want a cute little city with amazing food, Portland. If you want the GreenPartyVoter Jun 2014 #83
Come to Maine. AlbertCat Jun 2014 #91
Warmth is number 1 requirement. abakan Jun 2014 #116
I really hope you reconsider, Skidmore because we would love to have you visit! raven mad Jun 2014 #49
Any state with open carry or stand your ground should be off any list randys1 Jun 2014 #4
I think my State has lax gun laws. bravenak Jun 2014 #29
Well you are in the last frontier, right LOL randys1 Jun 2014 #30
You crack me up. bravenak Jun 2014 #33
LOL. You got me going, now I'm gonna tease you! freshwest Jun 2014 #39
Oh, this is fun! bravenak Jun 2014 #42
Oh, you can't be boring! They must be too quiet. These guys were for the most part. freshwest Jun 2014 #43
me too. Cue the music.... arikara Jun 2014 #44
Maybe it's due to where I'm from, but Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #32
And they usually look happy to be going hunting, not like they are waiting for the next civil war. bravenak Jun 2014 #34
This. This is going to sound a bit weird, but when I see an open carrier, I find it to be less Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #109
Amen, braveinak!! raven mad Jun 2014 #51
I suppose if i lived in the middle of a large city with no hunting nearby, it woukd scare me. bravenak Jun 2014 #56
Of course not such a necessity to folks who live anywhere near hunting... Walk away Jun 2014 #62
Don't come to Oregon. dilby Jun 2014 #40
Not so fast, Hoss. A little bit more information would make things more truthful, if you care. Fred Sanders Jun 2014 #63
They should clean up their meth problem - bigger deterrent to tourism REP Jun 2014 #5
Interesting, it appears they did not have this problem to begin with. dilby Jun 2014 #6
The OP says the PC was asked to do so by business owners. BillZBubb Jun 2014 #8
But it was still based on Texas. dilby Jun 2014 #9
All things being equal, it seems more accurate to say "a solution to a relevant and potential proble LanternWaste Jun 2014 #11
Well all things are not equal. dilby Jun 2014 #12
No, it isn't based on Texas. You're misreading it. pamela Jun 2014 #16
Correct. The PD was right to respond to business owners who were concerned. Good for them. freshwest Jun 2014 #41
rational people do not want to see these paranoid gun humpers displaying their weapons Skittles Jun 2014 #52
I find it interesting that they went with a photo that shows Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #7
If you look at the legs of the one closest to the camera, the legs are white. shraby Jun 2014 #10
And it ended with this: CrispyQ Jun 2014 #13
I doubt it loyalsister Jun 2014 #37
So, gun-crazies, the 'eevil gubmint' isn't going to ruin your good time with your jerk-off aid. Aristus Jun 2014 #14
The free market forces at work laundry_queen Jun 2014 #54
I know, right? Aristus Jun 2014 #67
All I can say is The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #15
Thank You abakan Jun 2014 #18
You said it much better than I did. louis-t Jun 2014 #19
You said it. mac56 Jun 2014 #24
Same here. No business or place is that damn special that one needs to be around assholes playing RKP5637 Jun 2014 #28
Totally agree, and... Jerry442 Jun 2014 #60
there will come a day azureblue Jun 2014 #74
Hopefully, this is just a phase that gun nuts have to go through. louis-t Jun 2014 #17
K&R! No joke! Rhiannon12866 Jun 2014 #20
The picture is not from the original article LiberalArkie Jun 2014 #21
The picture is from the source as listed...nt abakan Jun 2014 #22
If there were a reason to restart the war in Iraq, it would be to muntrv Jun 2014 #26
I doubt the gun fetishists would enlist. Fair-weather patriots that they are. blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #55
If I see some jerk carrying a gun I'm gone. It's bad enough all of the shit that RKP5637 Jun 2014 #27
Think Disney likes this either? HockeyMom Jun 2014 #31
I see people aren't following those rules either. Jamastiene Jun 2014 #103
Immaturity, insecurity, and arrogance -- billh58 Jun 2014 #35
I don't think that's the only reason loyalsister Jun 2014 #38
The fact that Toys R Us *has* to have a policy banning guns is fucked XemaSab Jun 2014 #45
I imagine that's going to keep the sheriffs and police real busy! Cha Jun 2014 #50
I hunt. I fish. I grow crops. I own guns for the first one - raven mad Jun 2014 #53
Yep. Filled my freezer with venison from the open land. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #57
Must be a lot of shitty hunters in my area. bluedigger Jun 2014 #66
but don't you know they only hunt for food they will eat? Skittles Jun 2014 #77
Why are there no gun owners who come out upaloopa Jun 2014 #76
only the ones who understand the difference between gun humpers and gun owners do that Skittles Jun 2014 #78
+1000. nt awoke_in_2003 Jun 2014 #87
It makes no difference hack89 Jun 2014 #110
It is not my place to tell people not to oppose gun upaloopa Jun 2014 #111
So it is reasonable for gun owners to assume bans are the goal of gun control? hack89 Jun 2014 #112
I am for reducing gun violence. Gun owners upaloopa Jun 2014 #113
So after two decades of decreasing gun violence hack89 Jun 2014 #115
Listen, I have heard all your talking points and played all the gunner games upaloopa Jun 2014 #117
I understand the game hack89 Jun 2014 #118
This is encouraging And a step in the right direction, but what if I don't live in a tourist town world wide wally Jun 2014 #58
Any website out there with up-to-date info on businesses' gun policies? nt Jerry442 Jun 2014 #61
Open carry gun humpers workinclasszero Jun 2014 #64
I'm not going anywhere that has people walking around with guns. leftyladyfrommo Jun 2014 #68
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #93
Oh, stop it. leftyladyfrommo Jun 2014 #94
Bravo abakan Jun 2014 #96
Oh, goody, business owners vs. the NRA. This should be fun. tclambert Jun 2014 #69
No shit??? Imagine that!! gopiscrap Jun 2014 #70
Why go to or stay in an area where people are walking around with weapons? UCmeNdc Jun 2014 #73
If I saw one of the open carry people I would think one thing: nut. Vinca Jun 2014 #75
Yeah, fuck all those "accidental" shootings and mass killings... SomethingFishy Jun 2014 #81
Hrmm.. TheCrankyLiberal Jun 2014 #89
I live close to there... freebrew Jun 2014 #90
I certainly wouldn't visit if I knew people were walking around with rifles. C Moon Jun 2014 #95
Thanks, Open Carry scumbags! You make America look bad. nt alp227 Jun 2014 #98
fucking dumbasses JI7 Jun 2014 #99
If someone feels the need to carry a gun in public like that, Jamastiene Jun 2014 #101
They bought the thing for "freedom" quaker bill Jun 2014 #102
But..But.. Shankapotomus Jun 2014 #104
Ohio: lax gun laws insurance co. concerns Marthe48 Jun 2014 #106
Heck, it looks like Afghanistan! Helen Borg Jun 2014 #107
Thank you, Justices Scalia, Thomas, "Strip Search" Sammy, Roberts, and you too, Tony Grins Jun 2014 #108
Guns everywhere, and billh58 Jun 2014 #114

Warpy

(110,532 posts)
79. Until there is a reliable way to tell a swaggering idiot apart from
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 01:32 PM
Jun 2014

some lunatic bent on mass murder, normal people won't want to be anywhere near swaggering idiots toting their guns.

The open carry jackasses are going to kill off every country venue out there eventually if they don't rethink things pretty soon.

calimary

(80,148 posts)
80. Shhhhhh! Maybe you shouldn't say that too loudly, Warpy!
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 04:05 PM
Jun 2014

LET THEM kill off every country venue out there! LET THEM alienate customer bases from coast to coast! LET THEM cost businesses their clients and customers with their damn fucking guns and massacre machines.

Perhaps THEY will be their own undoing, then. And the problem may be solved.

I feel the same way every time I hear somebody on camera discussing or opining about what the GOP should do to open things up. SHHHHH!!!!!! Leave 'em alone! Let them live in their delusions. Let them keep on thinking their pollsters know better. Don't help them climb out of the pit they're creating for themselves. I'd rather just smile and offer them another shovel!

Warpy

(110,532 posts)
82. Do you honestly think any of those gun slinging morons is going to listen to me?
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 04:17 PM
Jun 2014

Hell no. The ones with the guns are the only ones who "count."

They won't make the connection between darkened theaters in Branson with their deadly toys on parade, either.

All they know is that carrying a gun makes them feel both safe and powerful, probably for the first time in their lives.

calimary

(80,148 posts)
85. Yeah, I know what you mean. They wouldn't be listening to me, either.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 05:47 PM
Jun 2014

I'm kinda glad they think they know everything. That way, their minds will be closed to reasonable things - while everyone else's are starting to open. Which means they may eventually be left behind. They all belong in the dustbin of history.

malaise

(266,736 posts)
88. This
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 08:41 PM
Jun 2014
LET THEM kill off every country venue out there! LET THEM alienate customer bases from coast to coast! LET THEM cost businesses their clients and customers with their damn fucking guns and massacre machines.

Perhaps THEY will be their own undoing, then. And the problem may be solved.

Please proceed ReTHUGs and NRA morons

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
2. We are trying to figure out where to take a little summer jaunt to and
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 12:35 PM
Jun 2014

we definitely won't set foot in a state that permits open carry. Period.

abakan

(1,808 posts)
3. I had planned to move to Texas
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 12:39 PM
Jun 2014

until it started looking like the wild west with automatic weapons..Now I'm not sure where I'll go. I have a deep seeded aversion to being a gun statistic.

TexasProgresive

(12,134 posts)
23. It is anecdotal but
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:35 PM
Jun 2014

I have never seen anyone carrying a rifle in town. I know that there are people with CC licenses and carrying a handgun but I haven't seen it either.

abakan

(1,808 posts)
25. Thanks
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:42 PM
Jun 2014

I have been re-thinking the move ever since I saw videos of people going into markets, restaurants, and other places people gather with AR-15s strapped to their backs..Even in the short term it scares me because I can't tell the harmless idiots from the dangerous idiots.

Jazzgirl

(3,744 posts)
84. I haven't seen anybody carry a rifle or anything in Texas.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 05:18 PM
Jun 2014

I know a couple of people that have but from what I can tell most people think it's just plain stupid.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
47. ha. i said the same in a post below. i am not a fan, but i am gonna be honest. what is being
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:04 AM
Jun 2014

presented isnt a reality i am living. i have been all over texas and all the years, i too have never seen it.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
46. i live in texas and i have yet to see one person, in all the time here, carrying around a gun.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:03 AM
Jun 2014

i hear something is going on somewhere, but i have not seen any. texas is big. but i have been all over.

and i will repeat. i have seen no one carrying a gun. i am sure concealed. my hubby has a concealed. i am sure many. but no one with a big gun on shoulder or holster or anything

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
71. I used to live in Richardson and had a friend who lived in Garland, she carried a gun EVERYWHERE!
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 11:59 AM
Jun 2014

She always had on a Booty Bag and it was huge and heavy but I never really thought anything about it until one day we went shopping and I said something about her leaving it in the car and she said she was too scared that someone would break into the car and steal the gun, so she carried it; I asked why bring the gun in the first place and she said she was too scared to leave home without one. Our friendship drifted to zero after that because I was scared of her scardedness and having to bring a gun everywhere.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
72. interesting. i never met her. so i still sit at not one in all of texas. with my decade and half
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:02 PM
Jun 2014

but. i know people carry. just not strapped over the shoulder and visible to make a point. i think it is sad that people are that fearful, is my immediate response. i do not know here experience and reason. though it sits us all up for an accidental shooting i am not thrilled with. that is nation wide though.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
86. Neither have I..
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 08:22 PM
Jun 2014

but a few weeks ago the open carry nuts showed up at the Home Depot less than a mile from my house in North Richland Hills

alp227

(31,929 posts)
97. That's your experience. But you've learned about "Open Carry Texas" via DU I'm sure.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 05:41 PM
Jun 2014

In fact, even this right wing blog (linked thru via "DoNotLink.com" to avoid search engine optimization) acknowledges that OCT makes the pro-gun movement look bad (there is plenty of inappropriate language in that post like "retards" and even a really dumb comparison of OCT to "gays and transsexuals who want to cram their flamboyant lifestyle choices down our throats", be warned).

GreenPartyVoter

(72,376 posts)
83. If you want a cute little city with amazing food, Portland. If you want the
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 05:16 PM
Jun 2014

rocky coast with a working waterfront on one side of the Island, and artists on the other side, Deer Isle and Stonington. If you want the 400 year history of Maine, Castine. If you want lakes and mountains, Rangeley. If you like Stephen King, Bangor.

I grew up in Deer Isle, so of course I have a preference for that. You can reach Castine, Bar Harbor and Acadia National Park, Searsport, Camden, and Bangor easily enough from there, too. If you like lighthouses, some people follow a trail of them up the coast, staying overnight in different towns along the way.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
49. I really hope you reconsider, Skidmore because we would love to have you visit!
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:46 AM
Jun 2014

I haven't seen anyone "practice" open carry since I confronted a dude over the asparagus, his .357, and 2 year old in his basket. It just doesn't happen that often! Come up for Golden Days - I promise, the firearms are all fake, and it's a lot of fun!

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
29. I think my State has lax gun laws.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 04:01 PM
Jun 2014

But i still want people to come. Ever since Lisa Murkowski defeated Joe miller and the Tea party, things have calmed way down. The only open carriers i ever see are the ones in hunting gear on their way out of town for moose hunting.
Lisa M, had a commercial with a crowd of open carry Tea party supporters during that time i believe, it was pretty scary and i think it helped her win. I voted for the democrat but some democrats voted for her to keep him out. I should try to find that commercial.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
30. Well you are in the last frontier, right LOL
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 04:03 PM
Jun 2014

Not outer space but almost

I know, I shouldnt have said what I said but you get so damn angry at the idiots.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
33. You crack me up.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 04:08 PM
Jun 2014

When people call it the last frontier i always think to myself,

Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its continuing mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before.


This place has driven me nuts.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
39. LOL. You got me going, now I'm gonna tease you!
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 08:46 PM
Jun 2014

Did you find any new civilizations?

Can you also see Russia from your back porch?

Are you guys gonna give Sarah to Vladimir in unholy marriage?

P.S. I had two plumbers from Ukraine finishing the kitchen remodel here. They talk English perfectly but have that lively accent. I love people hearing all kinds of accents.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
42. Oh, this is fun!
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 08:52 PM
Jun 2014

1. Only in my imagination.
2. I am currently observing russia through my kitchen window. Making sure that pesky spy guy stays put over there.
3. Yes. He can have her.

We have many russians here but they rarely speak to me. I'm boring.

arikara

(5,562 posts)
44. me too. Cue the music....
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:56 PM
Jun 2014

oooooeeeee oooowooooowoooowoooo

How I miss that show. There used to be more reruns on the teevee. Not that I turn it on anymore.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
32. Maybe it's due to where I'm from, but
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 04:06 PM
Jun 2014

I don't think many people would mind that situation. Heading to the field or woods for a hunt seems like an appropriate and not terribly threatening way to exercise your 2nd rights.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
34. And they usually look happy to be going hunting, not like they are waiting for the next civil war.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 04:11 PM
Jun 2014

And they don't mind leaving the guns in the car while they shop for snacks and coffee. They share the meat too.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
109. This. This is going to sound a bit weird, but when I see an open carrier, I find it to be less
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:24 AM
Jun 2014

appropriate than openly carrying a dildo around the grocery store. You might be able to, but really, should you? Probably not.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
51. Amen, braveinak!!
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:48 AM
Jun 2014

If little ole me can intimidate a dude packin' a .357, just with words? No problem!

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
56. I suppose if i lived in the middle of a large city with no hunting nearby, it woukd scare me.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 05:43 AM
Jun 2014

It's different out here. Guns are a necessity.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
62. Of course not such a necessity to folks who live anywhere near hunting...
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 07:59 AM
Jun 2014

areas and cannot let their children out in their own yards to play. I'm fine with hunters and guns but I advise people who care about the safety of their children to not vacation or live around them. Gun lovers don't mind exposing their children to the dangers of firearms and that is their right. Everyone else should give them a wide birth and move as far away as possible from them.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
63. Not so fast, Hoss. A little bit more information would make things more truthful, if you care.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 08:30 AM
Jun 2014

Open carry of firearms is legal, but for those who do not have a concealed handgun license, cities and counties may regulate the open carry of loaded firearms in public places. Localities that prohibit non-licensed open carry of loaded firearms in public places include: Astoria, Beaverton, Independence, Newport, Oregon City, Portland, Salem, Tigard, and Multnomah County.

REP

(21,691 posts)
5. They should clean up their meth problem - bigger deterrent to tourism
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 12:41 PM
Jun 2014

The whole Lake of the Ozarks area has a HUGE meth problem from the permanent residents. Tourists (and locals) are far more likely to be robbed or have their house broken into than any other problem at the Lake.

dilby

(2,273 posts)
6. Interesting, it appears they did not have this problem to begin with.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 12:48 PM
Jun 2014

The Police Chief initiated the ban based on what is happening in Texas not in his city.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
8. The OP says the PC was asked to do so by business owners.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 01:15 PM
Jun 2014

He based his decision on their concerns.

dilby

(2,273 posts)
9. But it was still based on Texas.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 01:37 PM
Jun 2014

They are not having an issue so basically they are wasting tax payer dollars in finding a solution to a problem that does not exist.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
11. All things being equal, it seems more accurate to say "a solution to a relevant and potential proble
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:27 PM
Jun 2014

All things being equal, it seems more accurate to say "a solution to a relevant and potential problem..." as was illustrated rather methodically in Texas.

But I imagine many half-wits believe that solutions which preempt the potential problem are indeed, "wasting tax payer dollars" or some other bit of bumper sticker wisdom allowing them to illustrate the rational as absurd.

dilby

(2,273 posts)
12. Well all things are not equal.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:36 PM
Jun 2014

It's illegal to Open Carry a long gun in Missouri so citing Texas as your reasoning to ban Open Carry is ridiculous. In Texas you can open carry a long gun but you can't a handgun while in Missouri you can open carry a handgun but not a long gun. They don't have the problem Texas has and they will never have the problem Texas has. Furthermore the reason Texas has the problem is that the state thinks it's perfectly OK for a guy to walk around with an AR-15 on his back but not a handgun on his side.

pamela

(3,469 posts)
16. No, it isn't based on Texas. You're misreading it.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:06 PM
Jun 2014

At no point in this article is anyone quoted as saying their concerns are based on Texas. All of the reasons given by the Police Chief, council members, etc are based on concerns by local businesses or their own personal desires to promote their community as a family-friendly place. Not a single person interviewed mentioned Texas.

Texas was brought up by the AUTHOR of the article and only cited as another place where businesses had expressed concerns about open carry. Bringing up Texas was simply filler-something the writer of the article added for whatever reason writers add that kind of filler.

Skittles

(152,855 posts)
52. rational people do not want to see these paranoid gun humpers displaying their weapons
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:49 AM
Jun 2014

and tourist towns KNOW THIS

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
7. I find it interesting that they went with a photo that shows
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 01:10 PM
Jun 2014

what look to my eyes (and I could be wrong) to show 2 AA individuals with long guns. While I'm sure there are plenty of AA who do own rifles, by and large those protesting for open carry have generally seemed to be overwhelmingly white.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
10. If you look at the legs of the one closest to the camera, the legs are white.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:06 PM
Jun 2014

They are not exposed to the sun as much as arms are.

CrispyQ

(35,948 posts)
13. And it ended with this:
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:53 PM
Jun 2014
Lake Ozark’s efforts to keep people with guns from scaring tourists and other patrons away from local businesses, however, may be short-lived. The Missouri state legislature recently passed a bill that will allow concealed carry permit holders to openly display their guns, regardless of local ordinances. The bill is currently awaiting Gov. Jay Nixon’s (D) signature or veto.




I don't know about this gov. Will he veto?

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
37. I doubt it
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 05:55 PM
Jun 2014

In a climate where bills like this are sponsored in the first place, the Dems tread cautiously when it comes to guns.

Aristus

(65,725 posts)
14. So, gun-crazies, the 'eevil gubmint' isn't going to ruin your good time with your jerk-off aid.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:57 PM
Jun 2014

It's private, for-profit corporations that are doing it, to protect their business interests.

And there's little you can do about it. $$$ talks!

Oh sure, shoot up everything in site like the pissy monsters you are, to show how angry the gun-ban makes you, but you were going to do that anyway, right?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(114,534 posts)
15. All I can say is
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:03 PM
Jun 2014

that if I were in some public place - a restaurant, a coffee shop, a park, whatever - and some bozo (or group of bozos) suddenly showed up armed to the teeth with assault rifles, I'd be out of there so fast that my own shadow wouldn't be able to keep up with me. What the open carry idiots don't seem to understand is that there's no way to distinguish the "good guy with a gun" who is merely asserting his Second Amendment rights by showing us all what a tough 'merkin patriot he is (and displaying his manhood like a baboon in a zoo) from some disturbed character whose girlfriend just dumped him, or who couldn't get a girlfriend in the first place, or whose classmates picked on him, or who is hearing voices in his head, and intends to shoot up the place because he hates the world. So for my own safety I would have to assume that the gun-toting knucklehead is a dangerous loon and not just an upstanding citizen, and I would leave as quickly as possible. Any business owners who think it's OK for people to show up in their establishments looking like Special Forces wannabes with neck beards and paunches and lots and lots of guns will soon find themselves without normal customers.

abakan

(1,808 posts)
18. Thank You
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:09 PM
Jun 2014

This is exactly how I feel too..Although I have thought if the patrons, of the establishments, dropped to the ground and started moaning and crying whenever they show up. How long would they feel comfortable showing off their appendages in public?

RKP5637

(66,959 posts)
28. Same here. No business or place is that damn special that one needs to be around assholes playing
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:55 PM
Jun 2014

with their guns as dicks!

Jerry442

(1,265 posts)
60. Totally agree, and...
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 07:42 AM
Jun 2014

Last edited Fri Jun 27, 2014, 09:15 AM - Edit history (1)

...when you get to a safe place call 911 and tell them that someone with a weapon is menacing people where you just fled from -- because here in sane people land, they are.

azureblue

(2,116 posts)
74. there will come a day
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:55 PM
Jun 2014

when one of these open carry baboons will be shot because they were mistaken for a robber. They are too ignorant to realize that no one can tell a good gun carrier from a bad gun carrier, and, someday, a good gun carrier will decide that the open carry guy is a bad guy, and shoot him.

I am with VO, if I saw a guy come into a place I was eating with a weapon (who wasn't a cop, of course) I would either be under the table or headed for the door. I am not going to waste precious seconds trying to determine this person's intent - I would prefer to err on the side of safety and GTF out of there. I would rather make a fool of myself than a corpse of myself.

louis-t

(23,094 posts)
17. Hopefully, this is just a phase that gun nuts have to go through.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:09 PM
Jun 2014

Like letting a kid stick his hand on a hot stove......

muntrv

(14,505 posts)
26. If there were a reason to restart the war in Iraq, it would be to
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:44 PM
Jun 2014

draft open carry folks into combat. See how long they last.

RKP5637

(66,959 posts)
27. If I see some jerk carrying a gun I'm gone. It's bad enough all of the shit that
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:53 PM
Jun 2014

goes on without some asshole standing around with a gun thinking they're playing with their dick. Plenty of places to go/vacation - who needs to be around assholes with guns.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
31. Think Disney likes this either?
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 04:05 PM
Jun 2014
They fought the Florida courts, and won, over just CCW on their PROPERTY,

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
103. I see people aren't following those rules either.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 08:19 AM
Jun 2014

I searched to see what happened and ran across this discussion: http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-120748.html&s=ff605d7fad9f773f75dc7df77ba42790&

In the discussion, they are talking about how they've carried guns into Disneyworld (Florida) and discussing ways to sneak guns into Disney. Imagine being jostled around on a ride next to someone with a gun in their fanny pack. That would suck the fun right out of that ride quickly.

billh58

(6,631 posts)
35. Immaturity, insecurity, and arrogance --
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 04:21 PM
Jun 2014

a dangerous combination when mixed with a lethal weapon. A group of immature, insecure, and arrogant idiots with guns causing a public nuisance is a recipe for disastor.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
38. I don't think that's the only reason
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 06:02 PM
Jun 2014

Guns, meth, and white supremacy. Not much has changed since this article was published.

Hate finds a home in the Ozarks
The Joplin Globe/January 2001
By Andy Ostmeyer

The Ozarks has been tagged as one of three centers of radical right extremism in the United States.

Part of the reason for that is an accident of geography: The rural, thinly populated rhythm of hill and hollow provides natural cover.


http://www.culteducation.com/group/995-church-of-israel/10551-hate-finds-a-home-in-the-ozarks.html

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
53. I hunt. I fish. I grow crops. I own guns for the first one -
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:55 AM
Jun 2014

although there are SOME fish........ anyway, I qualified for CCW years ago. I don't. I'd much rather see someone open carry than concealed! At any rate, trash away at gun owners. Most of us are smart enough to use them for one purpose - to eat decent meat and not have to shop at Safeway!

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
57. Yep. Filled my freezer with venison from the open land.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 06:13 AM
Jun 2014

Read an article re open-carry in TX. The leaders' objective seems to be OC for Handguns, but is using Long guns because they are legal to carry & a suitable bargaining tool. I don't go with OC (prefer concealed), but folks have to ask: Would I prefer OC of pistols, or ARs & AKs? Not much to see or hear on this issue but the usual slumber lumber refs.

bluedigger

(17,068 posts)
66. Must be a lot of shitty hunters in my area.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 08:49 AM
Jun 2014

Because I see tools with holstered weapons at City Market regularly, defending their minute steaks from poachers and whatnot.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
76. Why are there no gun owners who come out
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 01:11 PM
Jun 2014

and say they are apposed to gun violence and apposed to carrying around rifles that scare the shit out of people. You wonder why you are all lumped together? It's because your so afraid of gun control you're silent when you should speak up,

Skittles

(152,855 posts)
78. only the ones who understand the difference between gun humpers and gun owners do that
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 01:16 PM
Jun 2014

and you are correct - there don't seem to be many of them

hack89

(39,171 posts)
110. It makes no difference
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:01 AM
Jun 2014

I have stated many times that open carry is moronic. But the conversation will simply shift to a different point until there is disagreement and I can be labeled a "gun humper" once again.

While we are at it, why don't gun control advocates who keep telling us that Obama is not coming to get our guns step forward to correct those that advocate gun bans on DU? You wonder why you are all lumped together?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
112. So it is reasonable for gun owners to assume bans are the goal of gun control?
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 02:06 PM
Jun 2014

At least you are open about it.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
113. I am for reducing gun violence. Gun owners
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 02:51 PM
Jun 2014

seem to me only to care about their gun rights. That had lead away from the goal of reducing gun violence. As long as gun owners stay on their current path of not contributing and not willing to compromize in getting some kind of control on our gun violence problem, more and more people will accept gun bans. The ball is in your court!

hack89

(39,171 posts)
115. So after two decades of decreasing gun violence
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 03:42 PM
Jun 2014

Why do you refuse to give us any credit? More guns, less violence yet we are doing nothing? You will always find a way to move the goal posts. Which is why I know it is foolish to try to deal with people like you. You are not to be trusted.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
117. Listen, I have heard all your talking points and played all the gunner games
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 03:48 PM
Jun 2014

so this twenty questions thing is really old and tiring.
I believe what I said is right and all your talking points won't change that.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
118. I understand the game
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 04:34 PM
Jun 2014

I understand you will never remove your blinders. But the give and take is fun you must admit. I just hope you are not mistaking DU echo chamber for reality.

world wide wally

(21,696 posts)
58. This is encouraging And a step in the right direction, but what if I don't live in a tourist town
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 06:39 AM
Jun 2014

And I don't feel comfortable around guns?
What if I don't feel comfortable around guns in school?
And all the other common sense reasons to not allow guns "everywhere"?

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
64. Open carry gun humpers
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 08:43 AM
Jun 2014

Are nothing more than teabag terrorists that get their rocks off on the sight of frightened women and children.

These monsters are the creation of right wing terrorist front the NRA, fox news, hate radio and the republican party, all anti american randian traitors and scum of the earth.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,742 posts)
68. I'm not going anywhere that has people walking around with guns.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 09:38 AM
Jun 2014

Not going to do it. Bunch of paranoid freaks.

Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #68)

leftyladyfrommo

(18,742 posts)
94. Oh, stop it.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 10:38 AM
Jun 2014

I'm talking about going into Walmart and seeing a bunch of rednecks wearing their AK47s around their necks. Or with pistols in their pants. They just look stupid. Kind of like the big belly guys that run around in black boots and survival outfits. If they actually had to survive out there in the woods they would collapse after about 30 feet.

Like I said before. I don't give a damn if people like to own guns. They can take them home and masturbate with them for all I care. But they don't belong in public places.

Those people in Texas remind of looking at the people in Afghanistan where everyone hauls out their AK47s.

It's like we are just becoming completely uncivilized in this country and I hate it.

UCmeNdc

(9,574 posts)
73. Why go to or stay in an area where people are walking around with weapons?
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 12:30 PM
Jun 2014

Will one of them go all crazy and Lock and Load on you?

Why stick around to find out?

Vinca

(50,078 posts)
75. If I saw one of the open carry people I would think one thing: nut.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 01:00 PM
Jun 2014

And nuts shouldn't have guns.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
81. Yeah, fuck all those "accidental" shootings and mass killings...
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 04:10 PM
Jun 2014

BUSINESS IS SUFFERING!!!!!!!!


Hey whatever it takes I guess.

 

TheCrankyLiberal

(35 posts)
89. Hrmm..
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 12:03 AM
Jun 2014

I don't have any stats, links or the ability to read into history accurately enough. I just feel that civilizations at their CORE aspire to be secure worlds where everyone experiences what the life in the best possible EARTHLY way. Knowing a god, a dog, a cat, a partner, a lover will make it so you don't need a gun.... Among lots of other things that cause us problems....

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
90. I live close to there...
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 08:46 AM
Jun 2014

haven't seen many guns in the open, but it wouldn't surprise me. I'd be surprised if they were all locals, though. Median pay here is less than minimum wage, lots of bars and restaurants. Some guy in the town of Lake Ozark claims to have the largest pistol collection in the state. He's also a psychopath that sells guns to the cops.

Guys like him, the reason all these problems are happening, need to be run out of town.
But he's rich, and the cops love him. Even the chief that wants guns banned.
You know: "not in my town".

In a related story, the Tea Party led congress here has passed a sweeping set of tax bills, saving the rich people of the state countless millions. Lake Ozark and Osage Beach(neighboring cities & Repub led) have petitioned the Democratic Governor to veto those bills claiming the loss of much $$$, if allowed to become law.

It's getting squeaky here.

C Moon

(12,157 posts)
95. I certainly wouldn't visit if I knew people were walking around with rifles.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 05:13 PM
Jun 2014

I would find any route around the area.

JI7

(89,083 posts)
99. fucking dumbasses
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 05:46 PM
Jun 2014

do they realize how stupid they look. even if i were to oppose any gun control to do this is very douchebag like .

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
101. If someone feels the need to carry a gun in public like that,
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 02:04 AM
Jun 2014

we should replace their guns with a security blanket. They need to grow up and quit being so paranoid and insecure. Beside that, I think that type of gun toting is bordering on bullying. is the point of parading guns around like that?

quaker bill

(8,222 posts)
102. They bought the thing for "freedom"
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 04:54 AM
Jun 2014

But the feeling of "freedom" is far too weak to justify the cost when you leave them at home properly secured in a gun safe. To really get their "freedom" on, many apparently need to parade them about in public. This will not prove sufficient over time. However, unfortunately for them, society will not collapse as predicted by the gun dealers, so they will never be used to "defend our freedom" and eventually will simply serve as museum pieces from a time when "people went a bit nuts".

Marthe48

(16,366 posts)
106. Ohio: lax gun laws insurance co. concerns
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 01:38 PM
Jun 2014

You can open carry or conceal carry in Ohio. Insurance companies limit insurance if there are guns on premises. Small businesses post signs that there are no guns allowed, because they need insurance coverage. The dumb asses with guns try to start boycotts against the small businesses who post the signs. What a completely stupid vicious circle.

Grins

(7,051 posts)
108. Thank you, Justices Scalia, Thomas, "Strip Search" Sammy, Roberts, and you too, Tony
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 05:36 AM
Jun 2014

Couldn't-a-done it without 'ya!

Conservatives - turning the country into a run-down trailer park (with guns!) one step at a time.

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