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http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/thom-hartmann/56324/fox-news-has-finally-yelled-fire-in-a-crowded-theaterFox News Has Finally Yelled Fire in a Crowded Theater
by Thom Hartmann | June 10, 2014 - 9:12am
There were two terrorist attacks in America over the weekend, but don't expect the mainstream media to call them that.
On Friday, 48-year-old Georgia resident Dennis Marx was scheduled to appear at the Forsyth County Courthouse in Cumming, Georgia, to face charges on 11 different felony counts.
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Meanwhile, yesterday in Las Vegas, an armed couple screaming about "revolution" opened fire and killed two Las Vegas policemen inside of a local pizza joint.
~snip~
It's time for the media to start calling attacks like those in Las Vegas, Cumming, Georgia, and Kansas City what they are: right-wing-extremist-fueled terrorist attacks.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)ya think Huffinton Post has a interesting take today.
The Wizard
(12,542 posts)owns the media outlets, this will all be swept under the rug. note how school/mass shootings have become the norm. We are going headlong into History's dust bin because of the deliberate dumbing down fostered by Reagan and W. Bush .
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marble falls
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NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)Kaleva
(36,295 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)marble falls
(57,080 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)Not very interesting.....
marble falls
(57,080 posts)marble falls
(57,080 posts)DallasNE
(7,402 posts)Right before "terrorism".
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)matters like not at all, but it was driving me crazy looking at it. Carry on then.
maindawg
(1,151 posts)is right in front of us. The reason that we are experiencing so many mass shootings is the rise of hate radio and faux news. That is where these people are indoctrinated. That is who is creating these monsters. The 24 hour hate radio cycle courtesy of the extreme right that has for 20 years delivered non stop hate speech to millions of potential murderers. This is what the fairness doctrine was supposed to be for. To provide a balance. We know the forces of evil are well funded. And we know that propaganda works. We know what it is. We know it is a tool of the fascist corporate model. Yet we do nothing to counter its non stop attack on our nation our liberty and our national interests. We do nothing to counter the poisoning of our food supply with high fructose corn syrup and MSG. we dont care that our FDA is corrupt.
We must win back our government and demand they act in our interests.
blkmusclmachine
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Squinch
(50,949 posts)shoot up pizza joints and aim guns at law enforcement agents because they are not being allowed to steal from taxpayers.
Sorry, but this false equivalence is ridiculous.
PCIntern
(25,541 posts)I see a big pie coming your way shortly!
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)This is what occurs when Bin Laden releases a video that stirs random extremists halfway around the globe to commit a bombing or shooting.
This is also the term for what Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, and others do. And this is what led directly and predictably to a number of cases of ideologically-motivated murder similar to the Tucson shootings. As of this writing, there is no evidence to link Jared Loughner to a specific source of incitement; but some of the other cases can be clearly linked.
The stochastic terrorist is the person who is responsible for the incitement. For example they go on radio or television and stir up hatred toward a particular person or group.
The random actor, or "lone wolf" as the term is used in law enforcement and intel, is the person who responds to the incitement by carrying out the violent or terrorist act against the target person or group. For example they shoot someone or detonate a bomb. While their action may have been statistically predictable (e.g. "given sufficient provocation, someone will probably do such-and-such" , the specific person and the specific act are not yet predictable.
http://stochasticterrorism.blogspot.com
stopwastingmymoney
(2,041 posts)Gumboot
(531 posts)Brings to mind the way Beck and Palin almost got Gabby Giffords killed.
maindawg
(1,151 posts)I shall put that word into my lexicon. The reason for our violent society is obvious. Its got nothing to do with video games, nothing to do with internet access. The way to heal this disease is simply to ban assault weapons, most handguns,clips, and to re-instate the fairness doctrine. Its that simple. Lets work toward those goals.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)It's also true of the sexualized contempt/violence towards all things feminine that is so taken for granted.
But that's another discussion. I bring it up because many who have clearly seen the connection between Fux/ RW hate media and the rise of aggressive actions against all things Liberal, still actually deny the same phenomenon affecting women.
Anyway, to get back to your point....yes, it's hard being the ones who've KNOWN for decades already, that hate media is a threat. Really really frustrating being able to see something clearly that so many others are blind to.
Hekate
(90,662 posts)The terrorist attacks on Planned Parenthood and other women's health care providers are but one example, and they've been ongoing for over 20 years.
mrdmk
(2,943 posts)People have been fired up to the point of no return in many cases.
That is a sad state of affairs today in this nation
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Excellent post!
smallcat88
(426 posts)we could put Rush and everyone at Faux news in prison for life. Just to name a few.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)on citizens of a country. What Faux News and those radio hosts and some churches do is EXACTLY the kind of tactics I read about.
7962
(11,841 posts)Almost every one of these people have been on at least one type of anti depressant medication. And you only need to read the side effects to see the possible connection. We're being pushed more and more to take a pill for everything.
And dont start bashing me and accusing me of being callous towards the mentally ill. You all know what I'm talking about.
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)agitation is a well-known side-effect of ssris. and I believe that the rate of suicidal ideation is also underreported, as no one wants to end up in an inpatient facility.
I think it's really unfair to demonize the mentally ill tho, as there's enough stigma already. in fact, I think the problem is the stigma itself... if people weren't ashamed of doing so, they would be much more willing to seek help when going thru a rough patch.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)and their employees ans shareholders jailed.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)delta17
(283 posts)Flatulo
(5,005 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)Nice idea, Vladimir. But only a matter of time before others are in charge for a time and shut down what YOU like.
Baitball Blogger
(46,703 posts)There are too many people who talk like them and who own as many guns, that live all around us. Imagine what would happen if law-abiding Republicans began to fear their own. The party would implode.
marble falls
(57,080 posts)in my county.
Baitball Blogger
(46,703 posts)I could never get into their heads, but their understanding of government always ended up with them shooting themselves in the foot. They were city watchdogs and they had incredible information sources, but then, they would reach conclusions that didn't make sense. Their principles almost forced them to demand government inaction, that would always make things worse for everybody.
marble falls
(57,080 posts)and rage. They seem to spit a lot. A LOT. The closer they are when they "talk" at you, he more a raincoat is indicated.
Baitball Blogger
(46,703 posts)Paladin
(28,254 posts)God help our beloved state if he becomes Lt. Governor.....
marble falls
(57,080 posts)Davis as gov and Patric for lt gov. Ought to make Texas politics interesting.
The truth is Patrick might have a bad effect on Governor race. He draws more active support than Abbott does. If folks are dumb enough to vote for Patrick, they'll kneejerk for Abbott.
Paladin
(28,254 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)the fact that FAUX news has more viewers that the others. It was posted elsewhere today (if you can believe it). Why, I'll never know.
Note: I NEVER view/listen to FAUX. NEVER!!!!!
Until this turns the other way, we can continue to expect their hatred to spread like a wildfire.
marble falls
(57,080 posts)SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)marble falls
(57,080 posts)SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)These poor people are being brainwashed by all the vile hatred of the right wing.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)ABC, CBS and NBC each have more than double the viewership of FNC. Righties will call you a liar. They will call Neilsen a liar. But facts are facts.
And even then they are talking about the FNC evening talk shows, not the news shows. People who watch for the talk shows often turn to CNN for the actual news.
When a really big news story is going on, like Hurricane Katrina, FNC's ratings will actually dip below CNN for a few days.
People turn into FNC for the shouting and entertainment.
smallcat88
(426 posts)has to do with age. My grandmother (who died last year just a few weeks before her 97th birthday) watched Fox. My stepfather, an old school Republican who hates the tea party, watches some Fox. He's in his 80's. These people have long since gotten used to getting their news from television and newspapers. They're not so good with the internet. They have no idea how to text or what a hashtag is.
I'm in my 50's and I'm on the internet every day, I stream everything I watch, taught my mom to text. People younger than me? Would probably be watching MSNBC if they cared about tv. Faux has more viewers because their viewers are mostly older and not learning to make the transition to the newer media forms.
Just a thought. Could be wrong about the whole thing. But I hope not, because if I'm right it means their days are numbered.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Fox News should be referred to as the network of choice for domestic terrorists.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)fighting the good fight.
hue
(4,949 posts)KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)Even the "DC snipers" were not called terrorists despite fitting the definition better than most.
Occulib
(9 posts)Well, the big gun study that came out has shown that places where there is lesser gun regulation, there is higher gun violence. You are correct in calling it what it is, terrorism. Being in a public place, quietly going about your business, and having TERROR inflicted on you by some other group or other person is, in my view, terrorism. It doesn't have to be car bombs to be terrorist. I mean, when there was an attack on westerners in Saudi Arabia by gun fire, the mainstream media was quick to call it terrorism, no hesitation.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)to do.
The fascist media outlet of the now fascist, terrorist organization known as the GOP wants you to be reprogrammed to ignore the definition of "terrorism"' which is gender and color blind, it means only the mixture of violence and political intent.
Both the terrorist acts committed in America this week are going to be ignored as 100% terrorist acts clearly meeting the definition because in America the definition now needs the act to include a brown or
Muslim person. Or, if you are Fox, scary sounding foreign words, which are actually translated as "May peace be with you".
Remember Major Nadal? What did all America immediately call that? Or the Boston Bombers?
ter·ror·ism noun \ˈter-ər-ˌi-zəm\
: the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal
(Websters)
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Diclotican
(5,095 posts)unhappycamper
I have tried - unsuccessfully to understand how it is possible to have the idea that anyone should have as much weapon as human possible - or at least as much as you are able to buy on your budged - and then also to listen to hate-media like fox news and its like to be indoctrinate in a way I doubt anyone even in the old Soviet or nazi-germany would have made possible - and specially Dr Gobbles was a smart man who understood propaganda - and the need to get people on his side when it came to propaganda...
In my country of birth - and where I still live - you would have had marshall law if anything like this had happened on a regular basis - with all the problems it would have given everyone who wanted to travel around the country - and I am still confused why not the US government - and local authorities are doing anything to curb it... It must be enough laws on the books, to stop this insanity for happened - both at local - state level and at Federal level - is it more the WILL who is not there?
And yes - it is definitely Terrorism in all its gruesome detail - but then again I'm not living in the US - and do not used to be afraid of been shot by a stranger, who for some reason do not like police - or federal authorities... When I think about it - I'm extremely lucky to live in a country where most people do not have weapon - and have no real use for it.. And the ones who does - are sensible enough to use it only to hunt animals - not humans... Hey even our Police have no weapons as part of the uniform - even though it does have weapons in the police cruiser - but have strict control of when to use it.. And seldom use it - becouse the criminals sedom use weapons against police - it is kind of a un-written contract between thiefes and police - if you do not shoot at us - we wil not shoot at you... It sounds wierd - but it works...
Diclotican
nxylas
(6,440 posts)Using the media-approved term "mass shootings" for terrorist attacks by white people.
randys1
(16,286 posts)but a better phrase than that, what can we call them?
do a poll on this?
not a poll but people can come up with names
bluesbassman
(19,372 posts)The people engaging in thes acts, and their media enablers, are US citizens and no other modifiers are needed.
nxylas
(6,440 posts)I'm sure we've all done it, and I wasn't trying to criticize anyone. The best propaganda is the most insidious, and everybody needs to be on the alert.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)These bastards lied the nation into a WAR.
They defended WAR CRIMES including TORTURE.
They crashed the global economy.
Now they come off as if their Redneck Army will KILL YOU if you point any of that out.
It's like Hitler's Brownshirts.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)brother.
thom's in that business and tho he recognizes talk radio more than he used to he doesn't listen to it, doesn't have time like most.
fox is a decoy. it needs the talk radio monopoly to do the unchallenged repetition needed to sell the big lies. talk radio reaches 50 mil a week with think tank coordinated lying. in most parts of the US there are no free alternatives for politics while driving or working. they can coordinate on a local level in a way that can't be done with local fox TV. it's harder to lie on TV. the fox liars and the GOP political liars know when they lie the same BS has already been pumped out of 1200 radio stations. that's what makes it easy for the lies and ignorance.
it's ridiculous media and political analysts and pollsters keep ignoring rw radio. latest transcription software and recording software make it possible to record all hate/lie radio and transcribe it to a reasonable searchable form so it doesn't have to be listened to. meanwhile talk radio takes out cantor- he was too establishment/moderate for the talk radio gods.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)and more data.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)After every major failure of the NSA/CIA they successfully get more money and more power. They think we are stupid but we aint stupid, just not very smart.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Look into our relationships. Who know, we might be palling around with terrorists.
Skittles
(153,150 posts)you cannot FALSELY yell FIRE in a crowded theater
billh58
(6,635 posts)part of the anlogy.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)indepat
(20,899 posts)supercats
(429 posts)You can't even get the so called left leaning media to call it for what it is. These white, right wing extremist fueled terrorist attacks.
The entire media is spineless.