The left's swift boating of John Kerry is disgusting, moronic and offensive

[Drunken Irishman]

It shows me, when you rip away the layers, the left ain't no different than the right in attacking and vilifying someone based on absurdities never uttered.

Frankly, when you get down to it, John Kerry is far more a hero, in every measure of the word, than Edward Snowden - who has consistently lied and ran away from responsibility. Kerry owned his words, returned home and stood his ground - despite the threats from the right, and even his government run by one of the most corrupt, and untrustworthy presidents in American history.

Comrade Eddie isn't even worthy of cleaning John Kerry's boots.

DU really is turning into a site run by the extremes - people who vilify the cult of personality of Obama supporters and yet blindly back the much more dangerous cult of personality of Glenn Greenwald and Comrade Eddie. Scary stuff.

[Cali_Democrat]

1. The folks calling for John Kerry to leave government aren't "the left"

They're the right pretending to be the left.

[Tarheel_Dem]

6. +1

[billhicks76]

86. Offensive Post

There is no equivalence first off. This is a horrible analogy. No lefties swiftboated Kerry. Is this post trying to be sarcastic? Snowden is most definitely getting swiftboated. I personally don't know the people doing it so I can't say if they are righties pretending to be lefties or establishment lefties so entrenched in supporting the establishment because it has a lefty figurehead that they will not see through the lies.

[billhicks76]

93. Occupy?

My mind ability to reason occupy a space where sanity and facts reside.

[Tarheel_Dem]

95. I'm sorry, but run-on word salad doesn't appeal to me. But thanks anyhoo!

[muriel_volestrangler]

109. It's a sad day when a DUer uses 'Occupy' as a word to insult another DUer

Will you start using 'liberal' in the same way too?

[Tarheel_Dem]

112. Occupy was a Libertarian movement at it's core, and wasn't embraced by ALL "the left".

[muriel_volestrangler]

115. So you hate Occupy as well as Latin Americans

I wish the wave meant you were leaving DU, never to come back again. You pollute this site:

Latin America is but a cyst on the anus of the world.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3173564

You waved when you wrote that too. You seem to use it as a middle finger.

[Puglover]

247. I live in the Northern part of the "cyst".

Otavalo Ecuador. So your post means a lot to me. Thanks.

Of course San Francisco de Quito (which was the first city declared to be a National World Heritage Site in 1978 by UNESCO) and Cuenca not to mention the Galapagos can hold a candle to the yummy awesomeness that is North Carolina.

[bullwinkle428]

146. Wow. So the movement to raise awareness about income inequality is

actually Libertarian at its core? Please explain further - my brain apparently isn't big enough to comprehend that.

[morningfog]

163. They got nothing but weak minded simpleton insults. Don't expect anything of logic.

[deutsey]

164. Oh, for fuck's sake

Winner of Asinine Comment of the Day.

[bvar22]

245. Completely consistent with the nature of everything that individual..

...posts at DU.
My mother always said I should avert my eyes from someone making an embarrassing spectacle of themselves, but I can't help myself.

[billhicks76]

172. Total Disinformation

It's amazing what gets posted here but I'm all for the free flow of ideas. Comments like this just expose oneself true beliefs as unworthy of deep discussion.

[lark]

241. OMG

Occupy = Libertarian?? When did ALL the left ever support anything, and why would we want to? Dems are the party of individuals not sheeple - in general. Left swiftboating Kerry? So are you calling the Bushies lefties now? LOL

[dbonds]

114. They probably already do

Have to read the signs.

[merrily]

191. "Liberal," "progressive," etc. have been used as insults on this board many

times, as have words like center right and conservadem. (I've often engaged in the second type of comment.) And, in my observation, today's Democratic Party is center right, for the most part, although I think I have been detecting some change since 2010.

I am not sure if a counterpart of the division in the real world, or if that is a message board phenomenon. If it is like that in the real world, the party may need to stop worrying about building bridges to Republicans and the 1% and start worrying about building bridges within the party. Or maybe they think they can just wait until "the hippies" cease being active in the Party?

[Babel_17]

233. I agree (nt)

[msanthrope]

13. Ratfucking 101. nt

[YvonneCa]

18. Exactly. And it is disgusting. n/t

[karynnj]

29. Absolutely

They also don't even bother to give a reason why he should leave - other than they don't like him.

I suggest that they instead read Obama'a West Point speech -- and read Kerry's University of PA speech on fighting non state terrorism. One thing that is clear is there are echoes of Kerry's call to work with other countries and his constant push that intelligence and international law enforcement should be used rather than invading countries. (I love Obama's use of an old saying -- saying of a military - that just because you have the best hammer, does not mean everything is a nail.) Seems to me that Obama and Kerry are on the same page on foreign policy and national security.

[muriel_volestrangler]

52. Not a reason to resign, but those were dumb things Kerry said

You don't make your case that someone will receive a fair trial by using your privileged position as Secretary of State to call him a 'traitor'. It's prejudicing any trial you'd like to give him.

I called Bush 'dim' for doing the same thing, and it's dim of Kerry to do it too: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=146968&mesg_id=149001

[JDPriestly]

67. Good points!

[laundry_queen]

94. +1

and I think it's offensive that those who point that out are called right-wingers for opposing programs that were put in place or enhanced by Bush, just because it's now Obama at the helm.

[Leme]

183. i just wonder why he didn't refer such things to the justice department? nt

[merrily]

192. Obama has done that kind of thing as well. And, I've seen the presumption of innocence

mocked on this board as recently as yesterday. It's probably hard to advocate for the presumption of innocence and use death drones on the same day.

[War Horse]

242. That IS a good point n/t

[merrily]

195. I thought the idea originated with Secretary Gates.

From what I gather from his round of publicity interviews, he has been pushing this idea; and it appears in his book.

I assume he shared it with Obama when he was his Secretary of Defense. Probably Hillary and others, too.

[hlthe2b]

37. Exactly...

[whatchamacallit]

49. Calling out Manny are we? n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

99. I don't see Manny's name in that post. But are you saying there aren't pretenders here?

Democratic Underground - Read the comments
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023064050

Obama branded a war criminal in the Irish Parliament - read the comments on this one too.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023067394

The Dems are starting to wake up and smell the coffee.
We should join forces.

Don't mention Ron Paul on DU you will get eviscerated (they are still brainwashed over that).
Just mention his policies - the ordinary Dems love lots of them.

Anti bankster
Anti war
Anti Corporatism

etc. etc.

http://www.dailypaul.com/290123/one-rule-for-the-rich-and-one-rule-for-the-rest-banksters-snowden-nsa

Take a look on Democratic Underground

They have the gov't paid trolls out, trying to limit the outrage & rebellion on there.

If that is the reaction of hard core Dems to the news stories on the NSA, I want to stoke up some more of it.

Lots of traffic on DU.

It's the most popular Dem internet site, except for Huffy Po - where everything meaningful gets censored.

http://www.dailypaul.com/288556/clapper-and-feinstein-get-caught-lying-big-time#comment-3103138


So the theory isn't as far fetched as you'd like to pretend.

[whatchamacallit]

139. ah, such clever wording at the end...

wink wink. Too bad my posts never have or will support your innuendo. Which means any such innuendo is pulled straight from one's ass.

[merrily]

193. Oh, my. Like a prosecutor gathering evidence for a trial, you've been collecting those posts?

What happens now? Will you be putting Manny in message board jail? Or is having a different view from yours a capital offense?

[BootinUp]

198. Heres The Pretenders!

[onecaliberal]

58. Agreed.

After what little boots and Darth did without even a sign from the right makes this all the more disgusting.

[AgingAmerican]

74. Mannygoldstein is the right pretending to be the left?

nt

[merrily]

194. Anyone further left than Obama is the right.

It would have made perfect sense in 1984. Trouble is, some here don't see it as at all dystopian.

Orwell is in his grave, unable to decide if he is horrified or vindicated or amused.

[billhicks76]

81. Pretenders

We aren't stupid.

[baldguy]

90. +1000

Some may be simplistic dupes, but the most vocal one are transparently shills for Rand Paul & the radical libertarian RW.

[SidDithers]

96. Yup...

Sid

[Iliyah]

121. Its a few of them here pretending to be liberal/progressive

and love to create much havoc and much hatred.

[leftyohiolib]

2. DU really is turning into a site run by the extremes - rigid idealogues

[el_bryanto]

3. Yep - but at least you get our choice of ideologues. nt

[Union Scribe]

4. Damn pinko lefties!

[Tarheel_Dem]

5. Yesterday, Snowie was equated with Patrick Henry. I shit you not! I agree about Kerry.

[karynnj]

30. Saw that -- and to John Adams and Thomas Jefferson too!

While Kerry is not a John Adams or a Thomas Jefferson, he is a hell of lot closer than Ed Snowden.

[Tarheel_Dem]

33. I think I peed a little bit when I read it. I laughed so hard.

[SidDithers]

103. Wait. I thought he was Paul Revere...

armed with a thumb drive full of the news that tyranny is coming.

Or some such bullshit.

Sid

[Tarheel_Dem]

110. Henry/Revere/Adams & Jefferson all rolled up into one skinny ass Russian defector. I'm still...

waiting for someone to tell us which one of these true heroes fled the country to Russia, by way of China.

[flamingdem]

124. He's one schneaky schpy

photographic evidence:

[sendero]

7. He didn't seem to mind it (being swiftboated) the last time..

... why should anyone worry about it?

[Autumn]

16. He rolled like a cheap cigar. We had his back and got nothing n/t

[YvonneCa]

20. That is absolutely not true. And I am...

...being kind.

[Autumn]

23. Kindness is nice.

some of us are kinder than others.

[YvonneCa]

28. I agree...

...

[Number23]

177. Nicely played.

[YvonneCa]

187. Thank you! I think most DUers...

...agree on many things. Probably more than we disagree about.

[Tommymac]

59. I disagree - it is true.

I gave $200 in October 04 to John Kerry's Legal fund that was created so he could challenge election results.

Ohio was fixed - it was obvious. But Kerry gave up without a fight - without a whimper. Never even asked to have the provisional ballots checked out. Just gave up.

I was ashamed to have backed him. I was one of the top 10 posters on his Campaign blog that year - and spent countless hours pounding on doors for him - and was a campaign worker in my township Pittsburgh on that rainy Election day, remember driving in the rain for hours delivering meals to the lawyers we had stationed at every polling site - and got totally drunk as I watched Ohio be stolen right in front of our eyes at the official Kerry election night party in Station Square.

[JDPriestly]

69. I fell and hurt a finger (badly) putting door hangers on houses

during the final days of the Kerry campaign. I walked and drove three precincts in one day to try to get Kerry elected. So I am a huge Kerry fan but his remarks about Snowden were downright wrong. The government should not be collecting so much of our personal information. Sorry that the government's foreign surveillance was lost in the foray, but, hey, a government that snoops on its own innocent, law-abiding people cannot be trusted with that much information about anyone.

[Tommymac]

88. [phone]

Disagree on feelings about Kerry himself but that is neither here nor there.

His calling out of Snowden was wrongwrongwrong. Truth needs to shine out no matter the source. Darkness and secrecy are the bane of freedom and truth.

[treestar]

75. that means you think the court system is fair enough?

What's the point if it is as corrupt as Comrade Eddie's defenders say? He cannot possibly get a fair trial here, the courts are so screwed up and corrupt and unfair. Thus Kerry wouldn't have gotten a fair shot either.

[Tommymac]

91. Kerry didn't even try....rolling eyes...Strawman, false logic...fail.

And your denigration of Edward Snowden sounds like the talking point of the day. Try again.

[mylye2222]

253. you are completly wrong.

And you know it...

I will never understand thar still Alive nasty need to bash Kerry for almost every actions he makes....and especially when it comes the ten years old rancor of 2004. ..

Sad the way how msm washed your brains

[Autumn]

257. No, sad that I was there to see it. n/t

[frylock]

34. word up

[Hekate]

35. What. Garbage.

[laundry_queen]

97. I used to stand up for Kerry

for years even after '04, despite what happened.

Now I see a pattern - just like all the Democrats in power, they get more upset when the left 'attacks' them than when the right does.

Curiouser and curiouser.

[L0oniX]

100. He was suppose to fall on his sword according to TPTB plan.

[Beacool]

197. That's hitting below the belt.

[FSogol]

9. K & R. n/t

[4now]

10. I couldn't agree with you more but

this is what the far left does best.

[Jakes Progress]

60. Sooo. . . what do you prefer?

The almost left? The right playing like they are left? reagan loving democrats who love the middle and hate what the party used to stand for?

[Shandris]

11. Regardless of who I may or may not believe...

...when you use weasel phrases like 'Comrade Eddie' to make your point, you've made me very VERY suspicious of the information and opinion you bring to light. The same is true if someone were instead to post good things about Snowden and then refer to SoS Kerry as 'Imperial John' (I just made that up, so if someone is using that it is purely coincidence!).

IMO, it doesn't take a 'brave man' to return home and 'stand' for something knowing that it means the end of your life. That's what I call a stupid man. Even if courts and history show his actions to be perfectly reasonable (and only in a joke of a justice system would they not), he would still go to prison for life. So all else aside, and regardless of his intentions, I think the call to return home is pretty lame.

[erronis]

57. Don't get upset - most of the messages on this board are now robotic. EOM

[RobertEarl]

12. Kerry for president!

Oh wait, we tried that. Damn!! All that work and they stole the election right out from under us/him. The DU is called the underground because we didn't like that the establishment D's above ground, LIHOP.

[Autumn]

14. So when some of us Democrats lose respect for a career politician because of his

acceptance of policies (enacted by bush, for the most part) that we don't agree with we are disgusting, moronic and offensive ? Fuck that shit. I'm as much a Democrat as you or anyone else and certainly more so than Kerry. You don't like DU ? You have plenty of other choices, no one is forced to come here or post here.

[Rex]

17. 'The left is no different from the right'...but you will see the exact same poster

railing against someone that says 'both parties are the same'.

I wish these people would be consistent in their narrative.

[Autumn]

19. Some posters need a new line and a new outrage.

I save my outrage for politicians and their miserable failed policies, not my fellow Democrats.

[Rex]

22. Same here, but hey at least is was not an increadibly offensive anti-Obama OP

that was then played off as sarcasm. Yeah you are right...this is so predictable, they need a new line and a new outrage.

[Autumn]

134. Like this one Rex

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025022301

[YvonneCa]

25. Did you know that John Kerry was an early...

...and consistent supporter of Elizabeth Warren?

[Autumn]

32. I do know that when Kerry spoke out and asked How do you ask a man to be the

last man to die for a mistake? It helped me deal with the loss of my Brother.
Since he has become SOS he has really begun to support the government line. Maybe when you become a career politician your view on right and wrong changes. My view of him has changed over time. My question is, How do you ask a man to face life in prison for bringing a conversation to the American people on the violation of their constitutional rights?

Instead he says “He should do what many people who have taken issue with their own government do, which is challenge it, speak out, engage in an act of civil disobedience,"

Yeah that will work with the new procedures the government has adopted.

[merrily]

200. She was the DNC candidate for Senator from Massachusetts.

[merrily]

199. The "left of the left" are no longer considered fellow Democrats.

Listen to Obama. On various occasions, he has referred both to "my friends on the right" and "my friends on the left." And, in both cases, it is clear he is referring to people with whom he does not share a political philosophy.

It's all about the center right now, baby! Everyone else is a pretender.

Move right, joyfully, and with gratitude to your leaders and fellow center right voters, or understand that you are not a "real" Democrat. Except, of course, during election season, when you are expected to donate, volunteer and vote Democratic. (They don't actually need volunteers as much as they used to, but it builds esprit de corps and adds to the illusion of populism, thus helping to GOTV.) Come Wednesday morning, though, it's thank you ma'am and back to business and usual, emphasis on business.

[NYC Liberal]

44. It's not that "the left is no different from the right"

It's that a small number of people who CLAIM to represent the left are in fact doing more to hurt Democrats and the vast majority of the left, and helping the right.

[Rex]

48. Well since these exact same people keep saying DU is nothing and has no impact on the real world

then who exactly are these people hurting? Other people on this board? Sorry, not buying it. I see people pretend that this site is anti-Obama and spend all day harping on it in GD...how are they helping the party again, I must have missed that memo.

[NYC Liberal]

180. They're not doing anything posting on DU. But those people do exist in the real world.

They are a tiny fraction of the liberal base (and an even smaller fraction of the party as a whole), but they're loud.

Thankfully they don't have that much influence in the real world either.

[merrily]

208. By posting something on DU?

Ability to tolerate peaceful dissent is a characteristic of the left. Feeling threatened by peaceful dissent is a characteristic of the right.

And DU is a political message board. Is a post here, rebutted or not, really a threat to the USG, with all its resources?

I'm sure they'd much rather have us venting here than demonstrating in public view, or more.

[merrily]

196. Ah, but it is totally consistent.

If the left is really the right, then the left is not part of the "real" Democratic Party. At best, we are considered an extreme, the Democratic equivalent of the Tea Party. Not mainstream Democrats. Not "real" Democrats. (Unless or until we talk voting third party, but that's another issue. We are expected to be Democratic at the polls and reviled everywhere else.)

The bit about the two parties not being anything alike is a skoosh more difficult, but also easy, if you remember that it's all about appealing to the base on the base's cultural issues. Things like war vs. peace, authoritiarianism vs. the Bill of Rights and so on--those differences are barely discernible anymore, to be sure.

Republicans are frankly corporatist and also either members of the extreme religious right or frankly pandering to the extreme religious right. Hence, anti-choice and anti-feminist and downright bizarre about members of the GLBT community. On the other hand, Democrats court corporatists while giving lip service to "the middle class," "the poor" all but disappearing from the public speaking). And they are vastly superior on cultural issues, no bout adoubt that whatsoever.

So,, basically, you have your candidd corporatists, who are culturally fire and brimstone, straight from the 18th century pulpit, and your kinder, gentler and more covert corporatists.

[Puglover]

231. That's what I don't understand about this

crew. They pule and rail about how bad DU is and how it doesn't represent Democrats. The posters all suck and are RW moles pretending to be left. Ad nauseam.

There is a perfectly nice website out that that one of our PPRed members runs. Democrats4progress or something like that.

It has the exacting standards that they say they crave and yet the place is a ghost town.

I dunno, if I hated a place as much as some of these folks I certainly would not marinate in it's horribleness.

Weird mindset.

[Autumn]

235. I signed up over there. Just an echo chamber, no disagreement with Obama.

There are quite a few members and you are right, the members there are the ones who rail against anyone here who does not walk in lockstep with them. They have a nice real time chat room but I never see any comments there, unless you have to have a certain amount of posts to join in the conversation. It seems nice there you would think the place would be buzzing. They adore Nance and complain she was driven off from here, she posts there and the times I looked only a few people from there comment and the ones here who are members don't have anything to say. I don't get it, makes no sense to me at all.

[Puglover]

244. "Driven off"

If driven off means she had less then 100 percent breathless adoration for her scoldy tomes.

[GeorgeGist]

15. Well said Comrade Drunken.

[busterbrown]

21. Fuck it All!

I blame a lot of this shit on Kerry!!!

When these guys first called him out.. He should have immediately got on a plane to Texas and told these guys to meet him face to face where they could repeat the lies as men.. I actually believe he should of taken a fucking swing at one of them for fucking with his Service Honors..Probably would have won him the election!!!..

[karynnj]

24. Thank you

I can understand that there is a large group of people who respect or admire Snowden and think that the crimes he committed in leaking classified material were done out of patriotism.

I can understand a difference of opinion. There are people - who politely, without attacking Kerry, argued that Snowden acted for good reasons.

It is sickening how quickly people who consider themselves progressives forget the liberal, progressive record that Kerry has that spans over 3 decades. Snowden, on the other hand, appears to be a libertarian and not all that well informed.

The fact is that NOTHING Kerry said - other than "man up" -- is anything other than what anyone in government would say in this situation. Snowden is a fugitive and he has proudly admitted to leaking classified information - the crime he is accused of. Given Kerry's position, he CAN NOT take a position that this is ok or that there should be some kind of deal.

I also do trust Kerry when he says that Snowden has harmed the US - not just because he is honest, but because I read article and article on meetings that Kerry or Obama had - all over the world - where within a paragraph or two, it was mentioned that they had to deal with the anger people expressed due to things Snowden leaked. (Some were not even US documents - Could this impact what they are willing to share going forward?)

[frylock]

39. so Snowden has harmed the US, and it's not our foreign policy that is angering other nations?

really?!

[frylock]

54. yeh i read the post, n00b..

run along now.

[HangOnKids]

126. But But But he said germane

So he must be smart or something!

[karynnj]

138. It can be both - I was speaking of a specific time frame and meeting in

both Europe and Latin America where relations were impaired by the leaks.

Now, I KNOW that people will speak of Maduro and his verbal attacks on the US. However, what many did not see was that one thing that Kerry did early on (I am sure with Obama's knowledge and approval) was to reach out to LA speaking of a new relationship - saying the Monroe Doctrine was not their policy. Everyone knows that the Monroe Doctrine was the root of most of the US intervention all over Central America and South America. (You might remember the right went insane - a good sign that this was good and significant.) Before this could lead to any improvement in relations, the US was hit with the leaks. Things done long before Obama suddenly created outrage from Brazil to Venezuela .

If you knew Kerry's history, Kerry himself should have had more credit than most Americans - as it is known that he investigated and spoke against what was done in our name in support of the Contras. I may be totally off base, but it may be that those leaks destroyed a major opportunity to change US foreign policy in Latin America in a way that would greatly improve relations. As it is, those revelations amplified the already very deep distrust.

In Europe, there is the contrast between the first few months of Kerry in Europe - with leaders who have known and trusted him for decades and the less enthusiastic meeting afterward. (It could be media descriptions but that is what I saw in articles.) Another difference was that the public in many countries was delighted that he spoke at least some of their language. ( His French was good enough that one ad hoc meeting between the Iranian FM, the French one and Kerry was conducted in French as they scrambled to get a final deal. )

I am not saying anything was permanent - though it is troubling that Merkel and Obama still have a pretty cold relationship. However, the Ukrainian crisis does illustrate that the bilateral and group relationships are still very functional.

Where I will agree with you is Russia - there it is our - and their policies. No matter how professional or how friendly our SoS and their FM are - and they get along better than any other pair in the last decade - they are diametrically opposed to what the other wants done at this point.

[JDPriestly]

80. I am a supporter of the light that Snowden showed on what I consider to be an

excessively broad surveillance program by our NSA. I suspect the programs simply got out of hand like mold growing in a dark, wet environment -- because they were secret and hidden and no one noticed them until they started creeping up on the carpet. But I do like Kerry. And I hope that Obama's speech about not trying to resolve every small conflict with military power will become reality. I credit Kerry for inspiring that speech to a great extent.

Peace is so important now. We have serious problems to deal with. One of course is the loss of privacy, the personal space we each need to restore our sanity, that has come with the new technology we have. Another is saving our environment. Another is sharing the bounty of the earth in a world in which much of the work we used to do with our hands is done by robots and other machines.

We have a lot to do. We cannot afford to throw explosives at all our problems. That is what Rodgers did -- throw explosives at his sexual frustrations. We can't do that. And Kerry knows that better than anyone. I disagree with his comments about Snowden. They seemed to come from a place of personal frustration rather than from understanding. But overall, Kerry is doing a great job. We need more like him.

[YvonneCa]

102. Great post. n/t

[G_j]

26. sorry but

"swiftboating" is making shit up.

[randys1]

61. Yes, this is not swift-boating...

I wasnt crazy about Snowden when I heard he was a Ron Paul supporter, but when it comes to something as important as this stuff I cont care who the messenger is.

I am also not blaming Obama for what was in place and on a roll a long time ago...

[Demeter]

27. never an unrec button when you need one....

So, Ignore. Hasta la vista, baby.

[merrily]

205. But, how will you nourish your sense of irony if you ignore all

those who posts abound in unintentional irony?

You can't just buy unintentional irony in a store, you know.

[Hissyspit]

31. "The Left's Swift-boating of John Kerry"

So people are making up fake facts about him here? Can you show me some of those posts of out-and-out lies?

Because that's what "swift-boating" means, remember?

[progressoid]

51. Exactly. n/t.

[Hissyspit]

135. Still waiting for a response.

[progressoid]

185. Don't hold yer breath.

[Hissyspit]

259. I have passed out.

[frylock]

36. Comrade Eddie? yeah, fuck your outrage.

poor, poor John Kerry. swiftboated yet again. Maybe this time John will "man up" against the liberals, like he failed to do against conservatives in 2004.

[Tommymac]

63. Hear Hear. [phone]

[m-lekktor]

73. yep. and what is with this "comrade" shit?? the cold war is over.

people need to "educate up".

[frylock]

83. it's a classic conservative call-out..

so I can only assume that those who use the phrase are conservatives, and likely always have been conservatives.

[bullwinkle428]

141. From his very hot chaise lounge, Roy Cohn is applauding enthusiastically

over the "Comrade Eddie" remark.

[L0oniX]

104. Only a clueless idiot would say or believe that Snowden chose to go to Russia.

[VanillaRhapsody]

128. He certainly CHOSE to go to China!

[840high]

132. ..... +10

[merrily]

206. Is it liberal to call someone a traitor, even as you demand he return to the US for a fair trial?

On national TV? On something sure to be re-broadcast over and over? How do you get an open-minded jury after that?

"Potential jurors will ignore the remarks of the Secretary of State of the United States of America."

Sure to work.

[beerandjesus]

226. +1

I wonder what would happen if the Reagan Democrats on here put just half their energy into fighting the actual right, instead of slandering the left......

[freshwest]

38. THANK YOU. And I haven't even read past the title of the OP. With friends like those...

[Hissyspit]

41. You're commenting on something you haven't read?

Brilliant.

[merrily]

209. No, he or she is commenting on fellow DUers, calling them enemies.

[LittleBlue]

40. Cry me a river

Comrade Eddie at least had the strength of character to sacrifice for what he believed in.

John Kerry couldn't even muster the courage to vote against the Iraq War.

If he wasn't from the Forbes family, no one would have ever heard of John Kerry. And then maybe we would have had a candidate capable of beating Shrub.

Lost what respect I had left for Kerry after his pathetic blundering gave us 4 more years of Chimpy.

[Whisp]

45. Kerry is devastated.

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[Jamaal510]

70. ...

[LittleBlue]

105. So what?

No public official cares what we say. Doesn't mean it isn't true.

Bet he doesn't sleep easily though

[Tommymac]

143. Are you sure that isn't Kerry sleeping on Nov 2 2004 ... while Shrub stole Ohio?

Or maybe it was Nov 3rd...resting while his law team geared up for the challenge...wait - there was no challenge...

[JI7]

46. he didn't have to be from the Forbes family to serve in war and protest against it

[Whisp]

42. It is. But they got nothing else so why not make shit up.

The RW has proven that is a successful method.

[AgingAmerican]

82. What did these Dems make up about John Kerry?

?

[imthevicar]

43. Kerry Sold his soul for the almighty Buck!

He gets what he deserves!

[L0oniX]

107. He already had sold his soul for ketchup.

[stevenleser]

144. That is the most unsupportable claim here. Kerry has tons of money. He doesnt need more. nt

[toby jo]

50. What was Kerry's take on the White Papers?

I don't know, but I'm guessing he thought that was one fine pass.

[MannyGoldstein]

53. "a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction"

"When I vote to give the President of the United States the authority to use force, if necessary, to disarm Saddam Hussein, it is because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a threat, and a grave threat, to our security."
- John Kerry

Then hundreds of thousands of people died, and the slaughter continues today.

Most Congressional Democrats voted against going to war; Kerry voted the other way. Pick one:

1. Kerry made the right choice
2. Kerry made the wrong choice because he's not very bright
3. Kerry made the wrong choice because he is corrupt

If there's another reasonable possibility, I'd appreciate being educated on what it is.

[JDPriestly]

55. The NSA over-reached. That's pretty much an agreed-to fact.

Several whistleblowers before Snowden blew loud and clear, warning Americans that something wrong was being done to us, but we didn't get it. We ignored them because they didn't present documents showing us what was happening and we thought our country and our leaders were better than they apparently are.

So Snowden came along. He brought documents. He sacrificed himself.

The NSA could have trimmed their programs to a reasonable amount of spying when the quieter whistleblowers first spoke up. But instead they turned their wrath on the whistleblowers and made their lives miserable.

Honesty does not pay at the NSA.

That's the lesson.

The personalities of Glenn Greenwald and Edward Snowden are what they are. Edward Snowden seems to me to be a rather shy, quiet nerd. Glenn Greenwald is a lawyer -- almost by definition an in-your-face fighter however quiet he may choose to be about it.

Kerry is one of my favorite people, but he is part of the establishment that was so full of itself and so blind as to the rights of the American people as to collect the records of our phone calls, e-mails, etc. for, if the NSA so wished, perhaps perpetuity, saving them for future reference by any bully or dictator or hacker who wanted access to them.

The government can be wrong. It can be right. It can be evil. It can be goodness itself. It depends on who controls it. And as long as the NSA is collecting our metadata, we may think we are in control but we aren't.

I forgive Kerry for his statements about Snowden because I know that he is in a system that he dare not offend. The information about foreign matters that we were getting from our excessive surveillance system was probably helpful to secretaries of state. They had foreknowledge of what their friends and foes were up to. Had the system moderated and controlled its greed for private information, had it respected the right to privacy of law-abiding American citizens, it could have collected the information it needs for centuries without being stopped.

But somehow, no one, not even Kerry, the Viet Nam hero, had the courage to ask whether maybe the collection of almost all American metadata and some personal correspondence just might violate the spirit if not the letter of the Fourth Amendment and whether it might meet with the wrath of the better informed American citizens.

I've been in jobs in which I was too intimidated to speak up. Not speaking up always ends badly. Why? Because when you don't speak up, you store up your feelings of resentment that things aren't fair. If you are in a job in which you don't dare blow the whistle when it needs to be blown, don't dare express an opinion, see if you can find another job. Non-profits are hiring. Good luck.

That applies to you, John Kerry. You are still my hero.

[Mojorabbit]

171. Great post! nt

[blue neen]

56. Thank you.

[Jakes Progress]

62. I voted for John Kerry.

I campaigned for John Kerry.

But I was shocked and sickened when he tin-soldiered onto the stage at the convention and did that little boy salute and spouted his "ready for duty" schtick. I knew then that he wasn't going to make it, that he was the victim of the advisor class. That would be the same advisor class that keeps "advising" Obama.

And if you aren't one of "the left", why are you on DU?

[Tommymac]

64. Me too, +1 See my reply up thread. n/t.

[treestar]

65. Righteous post, Drunken

Hard to believe that Comrade Eddie inspires this much devotion. It's Obama Derangement Syndrome, USA Derangement, and now being enraged at Kerry for merely stating an opinion? Deranged.

[Andy823]

147. Yep

Looks like anyone who "disrespects" their hero Snowden is doomed to be thrown under the bus. I guess it's OK do bash the president on a daily basis, but don't you dare say a bad word about Snowden and Greenwald. Wonder who will be next on their list to throw under the bus?

[merrily]

201. You support this separate call out thread? So it really isn't about geography, either?

It's only about whether you agree? No, that can't be right, either because you called out people who "seem to" want lockstep and seem unable to tolerate disagreement.

Not about insulting one group of DU'ers. Not about the difference between posting insults on the same thread vs starting a separate call out thread. Not about disagreement with your vview. I wonder what it possibly could be then?

[Tommymac]

66. This OP's swift boating of the left is is disgusting, moronic and offensive, n/t

[jaysunb]

68. Lots of immaturity on display in this thread.

Good post.

K/R

[merrily]

204. You call out immaturity on this thread, then praise an OP whose purpose is to insult fellow DUers.

[Vattel]

71. Gee, I must have missed all that swiftboating of Kerry by the left.

I have been too busy responding to attempts by others to smear Snowden and Greenwald.

[merrily]

202. Which of course, deflects discussion away from the US Govt's actions toward us.

Snowden and Greenwald are decoys. Whether posters support Snowden and/or Greenwald or attack them, the real battle is won. The real target, the USG, is protected either way.

[Vattel]

223. Good point. I waste too much time responding to smears.

I don't particularly like Greenwald, and I haven't figured out Snowden, but I despise the smear campaign against them. I suppose that I do contribute to the deflection from the real issue by engaging those who stoop to smearing them.

[TACFIRE13]

72. Post 9-11 American Legal System

With all we've learned about rendition, indefinite detention, Guantanamo, drone-clipping civilians, who would be brain damaged enough to trust the Bush/Obama legal system?
If he had spilled the beans he'd have had an "accident."
If Snowden had owned a big bank he would have been ignored and maybe even given taxpayer money.

[tallahasseedem]

76. I completely agree.

It's getting really old.

[perdita9]

77. I agree -- Kerry is an American hero

I don't know what Snowden is yet. From his interviews, 'raging narcissist' describes him best

[corkhead]

78. "DU really is turning into a site run by the extremes" - your post is a perfect example

of your assertion "Comrade" Drunken Irishman

[DisgustipatedinCA]

79. "Edward Snowden - who has consistently lied" Bull-fing-shit

Go ahead and post a Snowden lie that you can prove. I'm tired of people claiming Snowden is a liar when Snowden hasn't been caught telling a single lie thus far. Snowden haters have been caught it lots of lies. NSA itself has been caught in lies. Snowden has not.

Let me know if you have what it takes to make this interesting.

[HangOnKids]

129. Ohhh the crap slinger doesn't stand a chance

You are asking for truth? Not happening, too busy stomping his boots.

[marble falls]

84. I agree with your comments on the new "Swiftboating" of Kerry, not so much on those on DU ....

DU makes me smarter every time I log on. I see things here usually first. I stay away from rooms I know that will angry for no better purpose. But definitely, Kerry is being mope slapped for no good reason, again.

[Iggo]

85. Swift boating?

I thought "swift boating" meant lying about someone's (specifically John Kerry's) past record and then using that to bring him down in the present.

Is that what you're seeing on the left and on DU?

[Electric Monk]

92. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

[cantbeserious]

89. One Reaps What One Sows - Applies To Kerry As It Does To Others

eom

[KG]

98. oh, the poutrage...

[raindaddy]

101. Just curious

What's Mr. Kerry's position on James Clapper who lied to congress about the extent of NSA spying?
Can higher level government employees be considered traitors and face prosecution?

[840high]

133. Good question.

[stonecutter357]

106. K&R

[JoeyT]

108. Yes, it's terrible after Obama and Kerry heroically

took on war criminals, bankers, and companies that wreck the environment how the left keeps harping on when they keep enforcing the rule of law like they promised they would.

What's that you say? They never actually did any of that stuff and only attack people that don't have the money or power to fight back while people that do walk away with no consequences? Y'all have a very different definition of "hero" than I do.

But by all means, prove me wrong by pointing out a group with money and power this administration or anyone representing them has attacked with half the viciousness they turn on whistleblowers. And by "attacked" I don't mean sternly worded speech followed by giving them mostly what they want.

[Tommymac]

150. Funny how that goes....

[ucrdem]

111. Nailed it.

[MisterP]

113. "people call me a cultist, therefore they have to be cultists themselves"

"people say that Kerry's past heroism was good and real but that doesn't excuse his current yellowness, so he can't really be yellow, it's just another example of how great he is"

if Snowden becomes SoS for 2040 and calls someone who exposed galloping illegalities that made Orwell look cute we'd lay into him too

but you wouldn't, so you think we wouldn't

[Iliyah]

116. K & R!

[arikara]

117. What does Kerry have to do with Snowden?

other than being used in this case to stir things up?



No wonder people get turned off by this place.

[rhett o rick]

118. Wow. You call the left "extreme". The left that merely wants single payer, Fair Trade and not the

TPP, the left that wants to save our water supplies from big oil fracking. The left that worries about of Constitutional rights as the Big Brother NSA/CIA/FBI stomp all over them. The left that believes that the loss of habeas corpus is important. The left that supports whistle-blowers, protestors, investigative journalists, and outspoken Congress-people. And because you and your "Group" are a long way away (to the right, no less) from those stands, I can easily see how you think the left is extreme. You guys would have thought that our founders were extremists.

To me the extremists are those that think calling Snowden and Greenwald names, like in jr. high, is the most important issue here.

"Comrade Eddie". Really?

[Tommymac]

148. Thanks Rhett. Hammer. Nail. Head. n/t

[phleshdef]

156. No he didn't. And you know better. Being dishonest about what the OP said isn't a valid argument.

There are most certainly people on the left that are extreme just as there are on the right, to deny that is to deny reality. You know damn good and well that's what he was getting at. You don't need to make shit up to argue a point.

[flamingdem]

119. Tell it DI

[Hissyspit]

136. Could you point to specific examples of people lying about Kerry,

as opposed to just disparaging him and his comments?

The Swift-boaters LIED about him.

As best as I can tell, it is a false metaphor for this situation.

[SidDithers]

122. DU rec...

Good post, DI.

Sid

[Algernon Moncrieff]

127. Preach it, DI!

[hrmjustin]

130. To be fair people do have honest disagreements with Kerry but I think he should remain at his post.

[TheKentuckian]

178. No plausible point really. First order outcome would be a Hagel switch to State and Clapper or some

such odious fuck to Defense. Even assuming warts the size of Everest, Kerry is easily one of Obama's very best appointments.

[Scurrilous]

131. K & R

[Corruption Inc]

137. Kind of like the stereotypical insulting of the Irish

Some people huh?

[OnyxCollie]

140. Greenwald's cult of personality can't be more dangerous

without a drone assassination program and a kill list.

[stevenleser]

142. K&R nt

[mattclearing]

145. Stopped reading at "Comrade Eddie"

Translates directly to, "Please do not take me seriously."

[Tommymac]

152. [phone]

[backscatter712]

166. +1000!!!!!! n/t

[phleshdef]

149. Snowden isn't fit to hold up John Kerry's jock.

[Tommymac]

153. Judging by how he reacted to the original Swiftboaters

neither is John Kerry.

[phleshdef]

154. Wow, easy to see whos side you were on in that fight.

[Tommymac]

157. Kerry's. See my post #59

I sacrificed a year of my activist life working to get him elected ...then he showed his true colors. Bitter? Damn right I am. 21st century Kerry is nothing more than a bought and paid for pol. Methinks the 70's Kerry would agree.

And by the way - I am a member of the Democratic Party's left Liberal Progressive wing and damn proud of it. No wishy-washy centrist here.

[phleshdef]

160. I'm no centrist, I'm a liberal progressive who can operate without being an asshole about it.

The rest of what you said is cliché nonsense that gets said about any politician that pisses you off. I can't take that shit seriously.

[stevenleser]

161. Yeah, not sure why that crew thinks this is a talking point that helps their cause.

All it does is advertise that the person saying it is someone who likes to engage in the ugliest Rovian rhetoric.

[phleshdef]

162. Right... and that they expect zero responsibility from the media to set records straight.

[merrily]

210. TMI.

[nadinbrzezinski]

151. That word you keep using "left"

Does not mean what you think it does.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

155. Has the NSA:

A) Accepted responsibility for their wrongdoing and treacherous betrayal of the American people, or...

B) Ran away from it?

[phleshdef]

159. The NSA hasn't dont anything treacherous. The courts have allowed this shit to go on for nearly...

...a decade now.

Lets be honest about this shit. Until the courts or Congress take action, the folks at the NSA are doing their jobs and aren't breaking any laws to do so.

[Logical]

170. Then why all the talk about reevaluating the NSA?????? nt

[phleshdef]

181. Oh I believe the whole thing needs an axe taken to it.

I'm just saying, post 9/11, a few overreaching laws and a few Supreme court cases with shitty outcomes and we have a situation where this whole thing has so far been deemed legit by every authority in government. I'm not saying they are right, but I'm saying that's how it is and thus, operating under those parameters, you can't say that NSA employees are themselves being treacherous or criminal.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

179. It is illegal for the NSA to spy on Americans. nt

[phleshdef]

182. I'll just ask you to refer to my respone to Logical, right above, in post 181.

Because I'd basically be repeating the same thing.

[merrily]

207. The Fourth Amendment is Supreme Law. Besides, is

not breaking the law the only standard by which you want to judge the conduct of your government?

Kinda hard to break the statutory law when you also get to write the statutes.

[Jesus Malverde]

158. 322

[morningfog]

165. Piss and moan. Snowden tried to buck the system. Kerry is the system.

Some on DU are defenders of the system. Some are defenders of the party. Some are defenders of human rights and civil liberties.

I don't understand why it is so hard for other to understand this. It really is so simple. I also don't understand why DUers take criticisms, or even insults, of Kerry, Obama or any other politician personally. They are politicians! For fucks sake, the people should be criticizing their every move. We should be holding them under a microscope and w should feel free to insult them if that is what we want to do. That is part of our democratic process. Those of you who take such criticisms personally should step away from political discussions. Because, ultimately, what is said here on DU doesn't matter. DU is a clean well lit bar to complain and argue politics. When you take it personally, or make it personal, you lose.

[Whisp]

167. •!!!BenNSAghazi!!!•

[raindaddy]

174. Well said..

The media used to hold politicians feet to the fire at least a little.. Now they all get a free pass! Of course people are going to scrutinize them, no one else is.. A university study just came out and found the US is turning into an oligarchy... So the land of the free and beacon of Democracy you want Snowden man up and return to is an Oligarchy? Why isn't the media "manning up" and asking real questions? Why aren't the Democrats "manning up" and demanding justice when it comes to Wall Street?

These people leave office and get fat off of the very corporations who pay for their elections and retire millionaires. We've placed them in an elite position of trust. Time to stop idolizing them and remind them who they're working for.

[Logical]

169. FFS, what a bunch of BS! n-t

[blackspade]

173. You forgot the sarcasm smiley.

I think a lot of folks took you seriously.

[JEB]

175. Kerry should man up

and do something to bring the runaway spying under control. That should be of greater concern than punishing those that revealed the spying.

[karynnj]

248. He is Secretary of State - none of those organizations report to him

There are hundreds of things that he could do from the position he is in - given, of course, Obama's approval. What he has done is to increase the idea of diplomacy first. As a Senator in 2007 and 2008, he was against the FISA bill and was one of the people who joined Dodd in speaking out on the original bill.

[ucrdem]

176. I think we can all agree that Vice.com is not the left, fake or otherwise.

It's a right-wing culture mag cofounded by Gavin McInnes, currently of Takimag, yes that Takimag. So when it puts up articles like this one recently posted here:

https://news.vice.com/article/john-kerrys-moronic-and-dangerous-snowden-comments

I think it's fair to call it the RWNJ's swiftboating of Kerry, basically the same RWNJs who did it last time.

[Leme]

184. I think this collecting of data by the NSA (and others)

is a great threat nationally and internationally. John Kerry may think this internet collecting is fine or necessary, but I do not believe this has been thought out as for consequences farther than the next election or next security breach.

[Unrepentant Fenian]

186. I could not have said it better myself! Thank you!

[merrily]

211. I admire your humility.

[Fearless]

188. The irony of your post is staggering. Just staggering.

[merrily]

212. A poster after my own heart. (Please see my Reply 205 to Demeter.)

[Fearless]

215. Any time!

[EndlessMaze]

189. Ian Masters has had some interesting things to say with interviews over the last few weeks on this

On KPFK in Los Angeles please check Background Briefing. I like Mr. Masters because he always looking to figure out the truth wherever is goes. He's spent a large amount of time reviewing this. Archives at ianmasters.com .

[merrily]

213. Trying to inject something substantive into this flamebait thread, this far down?

I admire your capacity for hope.

[flamingdem]

229. +1 Ian Masters is an original

and I love how he called out Gary Null and the other nutjobs at kpfk

[TransitJohn]

190. Lol

The left is right, but the people defending right wing policy makers are left. Natch.

[merrily]

218. Winston Smith, is that you again?

While most think Orwell was prescient, I think the joke's on him. He wrote 1984 to shame Russia for allegedly being so very different from the West, in terms of "Big Brother watching you," Newspeak, etc. I wonder, if he could come back, would he be horrified, or would he, too, join the "It's all good, as long as my guy is (or my guys are) doing it" club, too?

[cali]

203. baloney. and I never could stand that phony, JK. I don't give a damn if he stays or goes

but I've always thought he was a pompous windbag and a gigantic hypocrite. He's an opportunist and nothing but.

[merrily]

214. Best flamebait OP I've read in the last half hour!

Not long on insight, but that would be only a hindrance when your goal is insulting your fellow DUers.

Hateful, that's the ticket!

[nikto]

216. I think all Skull & Bonesmen...

Are awesome to the max.

[Number23]

217. "DU really is turning into a site run by the extremes" TURNING?

Uhh... not trying to be rude here but where the HELL have you been for the last 5 years, DI? This place is Leftist Nihilist Central and has been forever.

Home of the "America should burn/Repubs should take over so that it can be rebuilt" "liberal"
The shit all over Dems, give Repubs a pass "liberal"
The "black folks and women should be quiet because their issues divide us" "liberal"
The "everyone who agrees with us is wise/noble/good and everyone who disagrees is evil, but we don't march in lock step" "liberal"

The savaging of John Kerry will just fall in line behind the savaging of every other Democrat these people hate with an undying fever while howling to the moon how they are the Democratic Party's base. It would be funny if it wasn't so fucking deranged.

[nadinbrzezinski]

225. My ingore list must not be working

since we are reading a different site.

And that word you keep using, leftist, you really have no clue what it means.

[Number23]

255. I used the word leftist once. It does appear that we are looking

at two completely different realities.

[nadinbrzezinski]

258. Yes, yes we are

since I see attacks on a mythical left every day and twice on Sunday... and they are left standing.

[Number23]

260. I don't see attacks on the left. I see attacks on whatever these people are that perpetually dwell

in GD. And judging by the characteristics I've already detailed, "left" is the last thing I would call them.

[frylock]

234. The savaging of John Kerry

oh. my. stars.

[LordGlenconner]

238. "Leftist Nihilist Central"

If that doesn't sum it up I don't know what does. And you also earned a response from the person who epitomizes that dynamic the most.

But don't get too excited, I'm sure you are now on "Iggy" for daring to offer a different point of view.

[Number23]

256. "I'm sure you are now on "Iggy" 'Twould be a gift from the gods....

[blkmusclmachine]

219. Bwahaha

[Thinkingabout]

220. Kerry did not run from serving our country in Vietnam and does not run today.

Kerry is not a traitor, Snowden can not even light a candle in Kerry's world. If the US never sees Snowden back on our soil then it will be Snowden's loss.

[raindaddy]

224. Kerry served his country...

when he returned home and denounced that friggin war. I can't help but think "young" Kerry would agree with Daniel Ellsberg's comments about "old" Kerry calling Snowden a coward and a traitor.

"As for Kerry saying that -- I'd say a man that I once admired, that was a long time ago -- the statement that he made on [MSNBC] that Edward Snowden is a coward, a traitor, and he betrayed his country is one of the most despicable statements I have heard from a politician or anyone else who I can remember. It is very much to his discredit and I think very much the less of him."

-Daniel Ellsberg

[Thinkingabout]

227. If Ellsberg can say Kerry has betrayed his country for returning to the USA after serving

Then Ellsberg and Snowden has totally betrayed the USA. Their despicable actions against the USA should ever be forgiven.

[raindaddy]

236. So now Ellsberg's a traitor?

Where does Ellsberg say anything about Kerry betraying his country for coming back from Vietnam?

[Thinkingabout]

239. Reread the statement Ellsberg made about Kerry, a war hero, been in the trenches,

And Ellsberg wants to call Kerry a traitor and coward. No, Ellsberg needs to look at his deeds.

[raindaddy]

249. I read his statement...

He didn't say anything negative about Kerry service in Vietnam. What "deeds" are you referring to?

[baldguy]

221. It's amazing the number of anti-Democratic RW memes criticizing Kerry are being posted here.

And a lot of it is the same old recycled shit the GOP used in 2004 - and which was lambasted & debunked at the time here on DU.

More proof that it's not The Left who's behind Snowden & Greenwald.

[mikekohr]

222. The Right had Smear Boaters for Bush, the far Left has Swabbies for Snowden.

They are not alike however. One is a group of craven, contemptable liars the other, well meaning over zealous idealogues. I'll tolerate the latter and condemn the former.

[bvar22]

246. Where is this "Far Left" of which you speak?

I know of no one at DU who advocates for the confiscation of Private Property
and organizing the Workers into collectives and communes.
So WHERE is this "Far Left".

Are you pointing at traditional, mainstream, center FDR/LBJ Democrats who believe that the Democratic party should represent the interests of the Working Class and Organized LABOR?
Is THAT who you are calling the "Far Left"?

[Javaman]

228. apparently a lot has happened between the time I went to be and when I got up.

what's this all about now?

[Scuba]

230. I miss the unrec button.

[LynneSin]

232. I saw someone who judged John Kerry for using botox

really? You can't find something else to judge him on but need to use that to criticize him?

[SidDithers]

237. Kick again...

'cause you've sure rustled some jimmes with this thread.



Sid

[rep the dems]

240. Rec'd

Raising a glass to you, Drunken Irishman

[bvar22]

243. Kerry swiftboated himself, by joining the protectors of the Surveillance/Security State.

I loved him when he was a fiery Patriot who spoke out against an illegal war and undemocratic government practices.
But something happened to him, and now he serves as a Mouth Piece
for those who start illegal wars and abuse their authority.

So sad.

[Thinkingabout]

250. Peehaps he remembers his service in action and wonders why Snowden would

Betray our country. Kerry fought for liberties and freedom, one of those freedoms was to have freedom of speech. He has the right to his opinion. There is not any proof Kerry has delivered information he stolen. Has Snowden received a medal? BTW, Ellsberg also called the Vietnam War unjust.

[BrainMann1]

251. I agree with the article.

[Douglas Carpenter]

252. John Kerry sticks up for our government and defends it while all Comrade Eddies does is find fault

That is what America needs today - people with the courage to stand in solidarity with our leaders who love us and care about us and against those who are always complaining.

[mylye2222]

254. amazing to see

A lot of post here are filled of 2004 rw FAUXNews recyclef garbage stuff against JK. AND YOU VOTED FOR HIM BACK THEN...

will you one day try to understand him.... you czrtainly know every pol while in administration has not the free speech he had in previous tenure

And for all that skull and bones nonscanda

Kerry was fir years a lone hero in Congrès while investigating Iran Contra and BCCI. he risked hiq career and even got death treats.... is that a corporate acring?????

Mind yourselves folk. Please