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At last week's National Rifle Association convention, Ms. Palin revealed to the cheering crowd how a Christian sacrament would be used to loosen the tongues of suspected Islamic terrorists under a Palin presidency.
"Oh, you can't offend them, can't make them feel uncomfortable, not even a smidgen," she said with a demonic cackle. "Well, if I were in charge, they would know that waterboarding is how we baptize terrorists."
Though it is the single most ignorant and heretical remark uttered by a so-called Christian politician in a generation, Ms. Palin has yet to apologize for it. In her world, Jesus' symbol of renewal and repentance lacks the American Jesus' pragmatism and terrorist-defying swagger. Her most ardent supporters are too biblically illiterate to be offended by it in any case.
A recent tweet captured the absurdity of this kind of Christianity perfectly: "If you're looking for the people who think America is a Christian nation, they're busy celebrating guns and torture."
A Christian nation where botched executions are of no moral consequence and baptism is synonymous with torturing one's enemies sounds more like hell than the "godless" alternative."
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38409.htm
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hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)i wish it wasnt so god damn obvious that i was right, but it is
Christians are so funny, I ALWAYS make sure NOT to say ALL
i mean NOBODY with half a brain would argue with me that AT LEAST 51% of american christians are the worst and most vile pukes alive, right?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)KT2000
(20,577 posts)used to be known for fighting for justice. But they and other what used to be called mainstream religions are not heard from very much any more. The stage has been handed over to the haters, judgers and otherwise crazies.
I am afraid the crazies are what are defining Christianity in this country now.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)KT2000
(20,577 posts)as do other denominations but the point is - they are not heard anymore. Who represents Christianity in the media? When positions are taken, who knows about it? what alliances for justice have been made between activist groups and churches?
Ultra-conservatives are the face of Christianity in the media. If the Episcopal Church or any other have taken positions, it doe not appear to be news. Their influence has waned.
I wish the more moderate Christian Churches such as the Episcopal Church would demand the media represent them too; I wish that the heads of those churches would make bold statements of support for justice.
The Pope has rocked the boat with his talk of fairness, justice, humility, etc. He is alone in that respect.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)We don't call the media when we do God's work. Jesus made clear we are not to sound a trumpet when we do good.
The media knows our opinion. If they want to cover us then they need to decide that.
CrispyQ
(36,464 posts)doing his five minute stints on Wolf's show, he did a segment about the Dominionists. He was downright scared by what he' learned about them. Later in the show, he read viewers comments about the segment & everyone, except one person, was equally disturbed by what they learned. He ended the segment by saying something to the effect of "People need to know what this movement is about because it's not Christianity as I was taught."
Do you think CNN ever did a special on Dominionists? Of course not. They love Sarah the Vapid cuz every time she opens her vile mouth it's ratings for them. Our for-profit news media is just another compromised institution that no longer serves The People.
If the churches made a bold statement, I'm not sure it would be covered, but they should make an effort anyway.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)What's an "average christian American", this guy?
randys1
(16,286 posts)the teaparty christians are the 51% I am talking about
religion is an opiate for the masses, there is no god
blueamy66
(6,795 posts)nt
hughee99
(16,113 posts)You seem to be using a very broad brush describing Christians when the people you're talking about are just barely the majority... and in any case even the "teaparty christians" you speak of don't make up a majority of Christians in this country.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Religion is an opiate for the masses,..
As are bumper-sticker philosophies an alternative to critical thought. Regardless, I'm quite sure the faith you hold in your beliefs are as imaginary as anyone else's...
stone space
(6,498 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)hate minorities, hate Gays, hate foreigners, hate Brown people etc
but we do, what they have in common is their stupid, knee dragging belief in an invisible man in the sky who says it is OK to kill prisoners even if there is doubt of their guilt, who says it is OK to tell people if they dont work they dont eat
i could go on but should not have to
I love you if you are a true christian, odds are you are not, as a true christian would be almost pure love and no judgment at all
they exist, but not many of them, there are semi good ones i suppose who try and do the right thing, you may be one of them
hey, what the hell, i will love you no matter what, atheists are good at that...but religion is one of the main if not the main causes of almost all human suffering
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)God with guns and money and a mall church. See them everywhere.
KT2000
(20,577 posts)if her past employer, a dentist, had guns. She said - of course he does - he's a Christian.
My friend is from China and she thinks just about all Christians are gun crazy. That is the prevailing impression of Christians now. Some subsets of Christianity used to be known for fighting for justice, especially during the Civil Rights era. Not anymore. Now it is gun rights and the long list of those deserving of their hatred.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)No matter what we pray/don't pray or believe/don't believe in.
AAO
(3,300 posts)I'm the most compassionate guy I know and I'm a dyed in the wool (WTF does that mean anyway) American Atheist. It's the right-wing nuts, regardless of faith, or certainty, that are driving us over Niagra Falls without a barrel.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Palin only serves to represent Christians when somebody like the author of that blog wants to bash Christians.
It isn't these horrible Christians who are slitting the throats of hundreds and kidnapping schoolgirls. It isn't Christians who are condemning gays to death. It isn't Christians who are stoning and whipping rape victims for adultery.
Christians don't lack compassion, and you insult a large number of Dems and DUers when you argue such ridiculousness, especially when torture and mass murder are rampant at the hands of Islamic extremists in real life.
AAO
(3,300 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Christians supported the Nigerian anti-gay law.
We have our creeps and murders as well.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Have seen pics of Christians being slaughtered by Muslims in Aftica, and elsewhere, however.
If you got links, I'd like to check them out.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/tens-of-thousands-of-muslims-flee-christian-militias-in-central-african-republic/2014/02/07/5a1adbb2-9032-11e3-84e1-27626c5ef5fb_story.html
http://read.thestar.com/?origref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F#!/article/530bb05cec0691371900045b
http://www.commdiginews.com/world-news/in-tragic-twist-anti-balaka-christian-terror-groups-attack-african-muslims-9691/
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(19,768 posts)I scanned the WaPo article, will check them all more thoroughly tomorrow. But, I did find this in the WaPo article:
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The seeds were sown in March last year when the Seleka, a largely Muslim rebel group, seized Bangui in a coup, installed the country's first Muslim president, Michel Djotodia, and terrorised the majority Christian population, killing men, women and children. In response, predominantly Christian forces known as the anti-balaka (balaka means machete in Sango, the local language) launched counterattacks against the Seleka and perceived Muslim collaborators.
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The attacks and long established and fanatical punishments handed down in many Muslim countries, against gays and women, and Christians, are not the same as retaliation for attacks on them. Gays and women did not attack Muslims, and therefore suffered a like response. It is an apples and oranges comparison.
Thanks for the links, though, I will check them out.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)to gay people. Bishops are also calling on parents to turn their gay children into authorities for life in prison. LGBT people in Uganda are in hiding, and Christians make up more than 90% of Uganda, Catholics 42%, Anglicans 41%, and so forth.
Catholic Bishop praises genocide of LGBT in Uganda
"The Right Reverend Charles Wamika, Bishop of the Diocese of Jinja, praised the Ugandan Parliament for the Anti-Homosexuality Act that provides life in prison for LGBT people.
The anti-gay legislation represents an ongoing, de facto genocide of the LGBT community in Uganda.
Without compassion, and with a malignancy only religious superstition can sustain, Bishop Wamika encouraged parents to turn over their gay and lesbian children to government authorities for re-education and imprisonment.
In a chilling and disturbing Easter address, Bishop Wamika told parents of gay and lesbian children that they would be rewarded in heaven if they turned over their gay and lesbian children to the state for punishment. The Bishop went on to call for a blessing for Ugandas Christians who worked so hard to free the land of gays.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2014/04/catholic-bishop-praises-genocide-of-lgbt-in-uganda/
He's not the only one, either. They are empowered by their global fellowships which constantly claim they are not doing what they are doing.
spanone
(135,831 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)whatever and anything you want has God's imprimatur, of course--you don't have to CHANGE yourself, Heavens no!
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L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Being a Christian does not mean you will magically become perfect by human standards.