EuroMaidanPR video - *Our* Right Sector

[newthinking]

Here is a video I ran across today.

This is from the ***Official*** Euromaidan PR video site. So Right Sector is not simply "a problem", it is part and parcel of Euromaidan
From their own press!

I wonder how long this video will stay up, as they have been trying to cover some of their propaganda mistakes.

[Igel]

1. Did you watch it?

Can you match up perceptions about the RS and the utterances of actual members?


It's like Americans and Russians. I watched a lot of them eat at a grange in Eugene over 25 years ago. Many of the Americans were (R) and capitalists. More than one of the Russians was a card-carrying communist, and it was fairly easy to spot the political minder that had come with them. Oddly, while the stereotyped rhetoric would entail they'd raise weapons and kill each other, they got along fine and exchanged addresses. Even the political minder was fairly relaxed, even if she disapproved--she knew how these things went and it wasn't a real problem for her people to be friendly because that didn't imply treason.

The devil isn't as black as they paint him. When you're working at the level of superficial descriptions and deduce what members of a group must be like it usually ends badly. The hated "Communists" were Communists for many reasons; just as the hated "capitalists" could be (R) for many reasons. These things have to work both ways if they're going to work at all.

At the same grange, not long after I watched the Americans and Russians discuss everything from perestroika to the varieties of tomatoes they grew in their gardens to the quality of their kids' elementary schools, I watched a very nice older woman (call her C.) give a greeting card to another woman (call her R.). R was moved and they hugged; R had had a rough go of things, had some personal problems, and C was always very sweet and kind. 10 minutes later the minister denounced a few people and disfellowshipped them for disobeying his orders to shun somebody else, and seconds after the sermon ended C went up to R, with a stony, irate called her an evil person that had deceived her and taken advantage of her and demanded the card back.

C was not adept at critical thinking. She'd known R for almost a decade. But a label negated everything she had observed. It's harder when you have no direct experience and work at the level of words and ideas.

It's the same with the RS. Some are die-hard "kill the Jews and Russians" fascists that love their dogs and mothers. Others are anti-imperialist, anti-domination Ukrainians. We can see the diversity and understand the range of reasons that drive the DPR folk to kidnap and hold innocent people, to storm buildings, etc. It's harder to understand your foe. But understanding those that find your foe objectionable as well tends to be easy.

[Duckhunter935]

2. Yes the

fascism was all over that as well as all of the Nazi and confederate flags.



As PR it is one sided but it is a pretty standard I love my country video. No where does it advocate violence at all.

[malaise]

3. So who burned those pro-Russian supporters alive in the Odessa

Union building. It was Right Sector neo-fascists.

[Duckhunter935]

6. Yes those

nice pro-Russian boys were just passing out flowers. Both sides had thugs and both sides were throwing Molotov cocktails. One side is defiantly shown firing weapons on the unarmed demonstrators. Neither side has clean hands even as you think only one side is to blame.

Get two opposing mobs together and things happen. Most died of smoke inhalation, not "burned alive". Lets just stick to facts and not try to inflame this with that, you get that from RT?. There is no excuse for that and should never have been done as there are still dead on both sides. Mobs tend to whip themselves up and bad things happen. Those same people just used a human shield to protect the flower and candle memorial at the union building.

[newthinking]

7. As I said before - If you have accepted the narrative and have not discovered what is happenning

on the ground with Right Sector and Svoboda then you will not be able to integrate what is really going on.

It is a PR site. You think they will put this there (you may have to sign in to view it, which is a shame as it is not really violent material, but it is mature subhect matter / material that ever person over 15 *should view* if they want to understand this group). These guys, as it has turned out, in this video from just before the overthrow, *are* likely maidan members!

Do you really believe Neo-Nazi's are *ever* to be ok or misunderstood?

[Warpy]

8. Well, they do talk about fighting a lot

and while some fights are nonviolent (see: Gandhi, MLK), most are violent and these guys are turning themselves into an army of sorts.

I said from the beginning that Putin's land grab was premature and that while it was easy to grab the Crimea, it was going to be extremely difficult to hang onto it.

[newthinking]

4. So they said they are nice guys and care for everyone. Do you realize what you are saying?

You are entirely caught up in emotional justification.

My point, by the way, was not to paint a picture of "Right Sector", there are plenty of other places to get that information. My point was that this seriously links EuroMaidan leadership and PR to being actively integrated with Right Sector. Something even I was not previously entirely confident of.

Neo-Nazis are ***NEVER*** "misunderstood, or "not so bad". I will call anyone on that as any liberal should. Think about what you are saying. That is like saying there are good and bad KKK members so we should not be disturbed to support the "good ones". Think what the heck you are saying.

I beleive you are earnest, but you need to seriously think this through. There are good people in the west, but you may just have to admit that there is something to what the East (and yes maybe even Russia) are responding to, and everyone in the East is not out of their minds or militant ragers. They may just be reacting entirely predictably.

That is the problem when interests overrun ethics and players attempt to justify bad elements. Everything gets fucked up and people can get hurt and killed.
In this case we are really fucking up and it is turning out that there really is a reign of terror going on in Ukraine. We need to get a grip on that and turn this all around.

[AverageJoe90]

5. I understand where you're coming from, but.....

Unfortunately, there are a LOT of bad players on the pro-Russian side of things, too, including many who are themselves neo-fascists; it's just that they're not nearly as well-documented as Svoboda, RS, etc.....hmm, I wonder why?

(P.S., and yes, I watched the video as well. I'm still not convinced that they're an integral part and parcel of Euromaidan any more than, say, radical neo-Marxists on the American left. Do remember, by the way, that several faux-left & outright right-wing people & organizations, including Adbusters's Kalle Lasn, for the former, tried to co-opt the Occupy movement for their own ends, and the media was more than happy to pass them off as genuinely integral parts of OWS, when they weren't.)