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niyad

(113,510 posts)
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 10:37 PM Mar 2014

kansas wants to prosecute teachers who show "harmful materials"--whatever THAT means!

(sorry if this is a dupe. I don't always catch all the rampant stupidity running around loose)

Kansas Wants to Prosecute Teachers Who Show “Harmful” Materials – Whatever That Means

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Late last week, the Kansas Senate Judiciary Committee approved a bill that would make it easier to prosecute teachers, librarians and school principals for materials that are “harmful to minors.” The move was in response to an incident involving a sex ed poster hung on a middle school classroom door.

Hmm… A kneejerk reaction to teaching preteens about sex? What could possibly go wrong?!
You may be thinking at this point, “What, exactly, is meant by ‘harmful to minors’?” The bill basically takes an “I know it when I see it” approach to figuring out if something is inappropriate for minors. It requires the imposition of “contemporary community standards.” Specifically, the bill defines “harmful to minors” to mean materials that:
(A) The average adult person applying contemporary community standards would find that the material or performance has a predominant tendency to appeal to a prurient interest in sex to minors;
(B) the average adult person applying contemporary community standards would find that the material or performance depicts or describes nudity, sexual conduct, sexual excitement or sadomasochistic abuse in a manner that is patently offensive to prevailing standards in the adult community with respect to what is suitable for minors; and
(C) a reasonable person would find that the material or performance lacks serious literary, scientific, educational, artistic or political value for minors
. . . . .

I’m not sure about that, but it is serious. Remember, this all came about because of a sex ed poster hung in a middle school. That poster didn’t have graphic images of naked bodies. It was merely a list of ways people can show sexual intimacy. According to the Wichita Eagle:
The poster was titled “How Do People Express Their Sexual Feelings?” and featured a list of 17 behaviors or sex acts, including cuddling, holding hands, massage, kissing, oral sex and anal sex. It was removed after a parent complained, and Shawnee Mission district officials later said in a letter to parents that the curriculum had been suspended “pending a detailed review of the material.”
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And we Kansans seriously need to talk about sex more. Specifically, we need to talk about safe sex more. In 2011, Kansas had the seventeenth highest teen birth rate in the country.

As potentially harmful as this bill is, it gets worse. You’ll notice that the bill prohibits material that depicts “sexual conduct.” This, too, has a definition. It means, among other things, “acts
of. . . homosexuality." Whoa. Wait. Acts of homosexuality? What does that mean? Hand-holding? Hugging? Raising kids together? You only have to live in the world to know that gay couples are held to a different standard than hetero couples. Hand-holding might go unnoticed if it was between people of different genders, but become glaringly obvious when two men or two women do it. Will it suddenly be illegal for teachers to expose students to positive depictions of homosexual couples? I think the bill gives cover to people who want to erase gay people from public knowledge.

Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/kansas-wants-to-prosecute-teachers-who-show-harmful-materials-whatever-that-means.html#ixzz2vWVArbDl

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kansas wants to prosecute teachers who show "harmful materials"--whatever THAT means! (Original Post) niyad Mar 2014 OP
OH DEAR!!!!! IT'S HARRY POTTER!!!!!!!! longship Mar 2014 #1
Is there ANY State more ass-backward than Kansas?!?! blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #2
Kansas, is not a well state. It borders on, or is, a theocracy. Any thinking of taking a job RKP5637 Mar 2014 #5
Idaho. jmowreader Mar 2014 #9
On a related note: Brigid Mar 2014 #3
as stated in the article: niyad Mar 2014 #4
I was so flabbergasted by the beginning of the article . . . Brigid Mar 2014 #7
it took me a few minutes to get through the whole thing. had to quell the urge to scream and niyad Mar 2014 #8
and there shows that Kansas hfojvt Mar 2014 #17
Kansas, the backward machine! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2014 #6
Shoot. Aristus Mar 2014 #10
Let's not kid ourselves. This isn't just about "sexual materials" this is also a back door to okaawhatever Mar 2014 #11
Geez, 1914 called treestar Mar 2014 #12
Kansas is one hot uneducated right wing fundy mess. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #13
actually Kansas ranks 16th in percentage of college graduates hfojvt Mar 2014 #16
Bibles should be on the list dickthegrouch Mar 2014 #14
You know, it's not even necessarily the Bible that is poisonous... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #22
Well this should eliminate any teaching of the Bible. Bandit Mar 2014 #15
Great point greymattermom Mar 2014 #19
Harmful, in my mind, would be any material offering a positive view of religion. nt Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #18
I don't have a problem with them showing kids 'safe gun use' cause many kids The Straight Story Mar 2014 #20
This isn't going to end well. sakabatou Mar 2014 #21

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
5. Kansas, is not a well state. It borders on, or is, a theocracy. Any thinking of taking a job
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 11:00 PM
Mar 2014

there would be wise to understand the Kansas culture which sadly becomes more and more bizarre each year. It is a state held captive by the Koch Brothers and the GOP Right Wing! Democrats are scarce as are moderates. Maybe the next election cycle will change this, but be careful.

niyad

(113,510 posts)
4. as stated in the article:
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 10:54 PM
Mar 2014

And we Kansans seriously need to talk about sex more. Specifically, we need to talk about safe sex more. In 2011, Kansas had the seventeenth highest teen birth rate in the country.

and here:

http://www.hhs.gov/ash/oah/adolescent-health-topics/reproductive-health/states/ks.html

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
7. I was so flabbergasted by the beginning of the article . . .
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 11:06 PM
Mar 2014

I didn't even finish reading the excerpt. Unbelievable.

niyad

(113,510 posts)
8. it took me a few minutes to get through the whole thing. had to quell the urge to scream and
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 11:08 PM
Mar 2014

throw things.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
17. and there shows that Kansas
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 01:00 PM
Mar 2014

does not really need to be singled out

both condom use and birth control pill use are higher in Kansas than the national average.

percent of high school students who have had sex, percent under age 13 who have had sex, and percent who have had sex with four or more partners - all LOWER in Kansas than the national average.

So Kansas needs to be singled out, why? Because of Thomas fu$%ing Frank?

And the teen birth rate over the last twenty years is down by 36% in Kansas (and 49% nationwide).

Omigod, it's a crisis.

Aristus

(66,436 posts)
10. Shoot.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 11:18 PM
Mar 2014

I don't even want to fly over Kansas anymore. What if they become frightened of that scary, science-y thing in the skies that looks like a metal bird? What if they want to shoot it down?

Any major airline routes that fly around Kansas airspace?

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
11. Let's not kid ourselves. This isn't just about "sexual materials" this is also a back door to
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 11:32 PM
Mar 2014

firing teachers. I'll bet the union contracts and teaching contracts have a provision that states if you're arrested or charged with an offense they can get rid of you. How convenient. To the bad folks of Kansas, this is a two-fer.

The New Kansas, even Dorothy doesn't want to come home.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
16. actually Kansas ranks 16th in percentage of college graduates
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 12:46 PM
Mar 2014

ahead of states like Iowa, Delaware, Oregon, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Ohio, ... http://www.census.gov/statab/ranks/rank19.html

High school graduation rate is higher than California, Washington, Oregon, New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Illinois, etc... http://www.americashealthrankings.org/all/graduation

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
22. You know, it's not even necessarily the Bible that is poisonous...
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 01:51 PM
Mar 2014

It's the interpretations of the Bible that are poisonous. For example, WHERE do fundies come out with their anti-abortion stance? What about their pro-death penalty? How do they explain why they choose one way in one situation, and the other in another? And who says what "LIFE" is? The Bible doesn't explain any of that. It's all Bible "interpretations." First they get an agenda, then they browse through the Bible to see if there are fragments of something in there they can splice together and come up with some sort of quote, half-quote, quarter-quote, or anything to justify their agenda.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
15. Well this should eliminate any teaching of the Bible.
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 12:40 PM
Mar 2014

The Bible contains everything on their list.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
19. Great point
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 01:44 PM
Mar 2014

What if teachers put Bible quotes up in the classroom. Specific ones like not eating shellfish,etc.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
20. I don't have a problem with them showing kids 'safe gun use' cause many kids
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 01:48 PM
Mar 2014

live with or around people with guns and kids will be kids (just like sex and drugs, they are going to do it anyway so give them condoms and e-cigs).

And as far as sex - give em a course in practices and procedures (just don't show them any si covers) - knowledge is a good thing.

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