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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCNN host gives Catholic League epic lesson on equal rights: ‘You do not own marriage’
By David Edwards
Thursday, February 27, 2014 10:42 EST
Catholic President Bill Donohue got a course on modern marriage from CNN host Chris Cuomo on Thursday after he claimed that Christians should be allowed to discriminate against LGBT people because love was never meant to be part of marriage.
In an interview on CNN, Cuomo pressed Donohue on why laws like Arizonas recently-vetoed SB 1062 were necessary if no business in the state had ever been forced to serve a gay or lesbian person.
If theyre so discriminated against, how come they make more money than straight people on average? Donohue argued. Is somebody being denied, at Applebees, a hamburger?
Thats the exact right question, but its the reverse, Cuomo observed. Can you point out a business that was made a substantial burden religiously because of what they had to do vis-à-vis a gay person?
When the CNN host asked how wedding photographers being required to treat LGBT people equally was a substantial burden to your Catholic faith, Donohue came back to the issue of marriage.
If a man and woman dont have sex, we cant reproduce, can we? Donohue opined. Kids do best in an intact family. The evidence is overwhelming. You need a father and a mother.
You need love, and you people that care for you, Cuomo insisted. Do we have any proof that kids who come from a marriage, straight or gay, have different outcomes?
Donohue said that it was too early to say if children were harmed by being in same-sex households, but there was proof that kids in single-parent homes suffered.
So you should want gay marriages! Cuomo exclaimed. You should want gay marriage because single-parent families are a problem.
The gold standard is a father and a mother creating a family, Donohue shot back. Thats what was ordained by nature and natures god.
Marriage was not ordained by nature, the CNN host replied. Most mammals dont couples Marriage is about love and commitment. And the right to it is about equality, and you know that.
Marriage is about families, Donohue quipped. Its not about love. Two sisters can love each other.
Marriage is not about love? Are you married? Cuomo said in shock. Your faith is about love.
It cant be the condition, otherwise you can sanction all the kinds of things Im talking about, Donohue remarked.
The bigger proposition is, why do you want do discriminate against gays? Cuomo asked as the segment concluded. You say, We dont, as individuals. Only the marriages bother us. But thats the same thing. Because their right as an individual is to marry.
You do not own marriage. It was not developed by Christians. It is a civil situation. Its secular, he added. If they are equal, they have equal rights.
Watch the video below CNN, broadcast Feb. 27, 2014.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/27/cnn-host-gives-catholic-league-epic-lesson-on-equal-rights-you-do-not-own-marriage/
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onehandle
(51,122 posts)If I call myself the 'Buddhist League,' can I get paid the big bucks to blather too?
calimary
(81,423 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)religious group in Uganda, has yet to say even one word against the pogrom laws his Bishops and Archbishop support so vocally.
The Catholic League has over a quarter of a million members, a 2.75 million dollar yearly budget and has existed under more than one President since it was founded in 1973.
Board of Directors
Raymond Arroyo
Candace de Russy
Kathleen Hunt
Richard Kerins
Walter Knysz, Jr.
Marilyn Lundy
Leonard Oswald
Frank Salas
Francis Schroeder
John Spellman
Joe Thompson
Theodore Vargas
Kenneth Whitehead
Rev. Philip Eichner, Chairman
William Donohue, President
Bernadette Brady-Egan, Vice President
Board of Advisors
Hadley Arkes
Brent Bozell
Gerard Bradley
Linda Chavez
Robert Destro
Keith Fournier
Laura Garcia
Robert George
Mary Ann Glendon
Dolores Grier
Alan Keyes
Stephen Krason
Lawrence Kudlow
Robert Lockwood
Thomas Monaghan
Michael Novak
Kate OBeirne
Thomas Reeves
Patrick Riley
Robert Royal
Ronald Rychlak
Russell Shaw
William Simon, Jr.
Joseph Varacalli
Paul Vitz
George Weigel
http://www.catholicleague.org/about-us/
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Surely, that means SOMETHING to you people!
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)To me, it means The Advocate has lost all credibility.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
AAO
(3,300 posts)Brent Bozell
Alan Keyes
Lawrence Kudlow
Kate OBeirne
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Sick and tired of disgusting Catholic apologists who try to dismiss the Catholic League as Bill Donohue and a fax machine. He has very significant support within that loving and accepting sect.
Grins
(7,226 posts)...of Reich-wing crackpots, vipers, and assorted nutsacs.
Proof there is no God.
2banon
(7,321 posts)anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)He occasionally shows up on "talk" or "debate" format shows like O'Reilly to scream about this or that, claiming to be some kind of expert on Catholics and to represent the Catholic Church and its billion members through his own invented "group" (which consists of him and the donations he uses for his hefty income -- he pays himself a very large salary of around half a million a year). Why he is always accepted and nobody ever calls him out is beyond me.
gordianot
(15,242 posts)I do not care one bit if they agree with me on any subject and do not need their validation. What bothers me is when they try to anchor their prejudices a matter of law and as the commentator says "own it". Equal is not in their vocabulary religious fanatics always assume they are somehow superior, a sure sign of insecurity.
47of74
(18,470 posts)But the blowhole from the Carholic League shouldn't speak for other people.
avebury
(10,952 posts)"My sympathies to your wife for finding herself in a loveless marriage. Other people prefer to love their partners."
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)They contribute and join so that he can speak for them. He is given millions a year to say these things on behalf of his members. His offices are in the same place as the NY Archdiocese, O'Connor vacated offices for him and also spoke for Donohue, but the League is 'not part of the NY Archdiocese'. It is just located there and sponsored by them.
2banon
(7,321 posts)Seems like CNN et al ought to be disclosing that to their viewers everytime they have this shithead on the air.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
closeupready
(29,503 posts)SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Let's hear it straight, er, directly from the top, ah, the head guy, er, the leader of the Catholics.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Arizona Catholic Conference backed vetoed bill, saying it protected religious freedom
Catholic News Service
PHOENIX -- Protecting religious liberty was the intent of the governor-vetoed measure that would allow "any individual, association, partnership, corporation, church or other business entity" to refuse service to anyone if doing so violates one's religious beliefs, the Arizona Catholic Conference argued.
The conference, which is the public policy arm of the state's Catholic bishops, issued an "action alert" asking Catholics to urge Republican Gov. Jan Brewer to sign the measure.
The bishops and other supporters of the measure, labeled "exercise of religion" and passed as S.B. 1062 by the state Senate and as H.B. 2153, would amend Arizona's version of the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act, or RFRA, providing that "government shall not substantially burden a person's exercise of religion even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability."...
...The bill's sponsors said it was necessary to avoid in Arizona what has happened in other states, like New Mexico, for example, where the state Supreme Court ruled a photographer discriminated against a same-sex couple that sought photo services for their civil commitment ceremony.... MORE
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)I can imagine an intelligent conversation where the photographer POLITELY mentions to the gay couple that this isn't something he feels comfortable with.
The couple then thanks him and keeps looking.
Just like being hit on by a gay individual. (Never happened btw, )
All the bullshit talk I heard in the military about kicking their ass. Yeah right!
A simple thanks for the interest but I don't go that way leaves everyone comfortable.
Except for juvenile minded POS bigots!
rurallib
(62,434 posts)with Meathead and Archie arguing in the living room.
Meathead as usual armed with facts and Archie could care less about facts.
Was it supposed to be funny?
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)QuestForSense
(653 posts)And like Cruz, he doesn't speak for the majority, but mostly for his own self-interest, his own biases, his own dangerous full-of-shitness.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)State Marriage Defense Act introduced in U.S. Senate Receives Strong Endorsement From USCCB Subcommittee Chairman
February 28, 2014
Archbishop Cordileone says federal government acting contrary to Supreme Court decision
Federal government ought to defer to state law where couples reside
Says state laws defining marriage as between a man and woman deserve respect
WASHINGTONArchbishop Salvatore Cordileone of San Francisco, chairman of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops Subcommittee for the Promotion and Defense of Marriage, strongly endorsed the State Marriage Defense Act of 2014 (S. 2024) introduced in the U.S. Senate by Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX). A companion bill (H.R. 3829) was previously introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives by Representative Randy Weber (R-TX).
In a February 28 letter of support to Senator Cruz, Archbishop Cordileone noted that the Department of Justice is the most recent federal agency to use a place of celebration rule rather than a place of domicile rule when determining the validity of a marriage for purposes of federal rights, benefits, and privileges.
By employing a place of celebration rule, these agencies have chosen to ignore the law of the state in which people reside in determining whether they are married. The effect, if not the intent, of this choice is to circumvent state laws defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman, said Archbishop Cordileone.
He noted that these federal agencies are acting contrary to the Supreme Court decision on the federal Defense of Marriage Act. The Supreme Courts decision last year in United States v. Windsor, however, requires the federal government to defer to state marriage law, not disregard it. He concluded the bill is necessary because it would remedy this problem by requiring the federal government, consistent with Windsor, to defer to the marriage law of the state in which people actually reside when determining whether they are married for purposes of federal law. MORE
mac56
(17,574 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)He gets all blinky when he gets upset. I always get a laugh out of his sorry ass.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Now let us all bow to to his holy Eminence.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)"You do not own marriage".
Cuomo did a great job, because he made the madman's argument look ridiculous. Because the Christian objective here is ridiculous. They seem to want me/us to make it legal for them to be an actively practicing bigoted asshole. Well, I'm not about to do that, and it doesn't seem that most people are ready to jump on their gay hate bandwagon, either.
Sorry, I'm just so sick of these people. They're like snakes on a plane.
LibertyLover
(4,788 posts)and wanted to slap Donohue across his face for his smug attitude of 'my sh$t don't stink'. And when I heard him use the phrase "gold standard", I yelled at my computer screen that the US had gone off the gold standard years ago. What a maroon, as the sainted Bugs would say.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)who happen to be Catholic.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I used to be one.
wryter2000
(46,076 posts)The idiot has to have his own faith explained to him. What an ass.
Skittles
(153,174 posts)murielm99
(30,754 posts)confront them with the research.
Children raised in same sex families do very well.
http://journalistsresource.org/studies/society/gender-society/same-sex-marriage-children-well-being-research-roundup#
We have some DUers who were raised by gay parents. At least one of them has spoken about it. I don't remember who it was.
At least half of my children's friends were raised by a single parent. I don't see what the fuss is about. Families are not all the same.
Not Me
(3,398 posts)wouldn't that make him excommunicated?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Anthony_Donohue
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)the guy is a raving lunatic...
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)That explains all of his anger, the divorce. I wonder if she ran away with her beautician, the one Donohue thought was gay. Hmmm. Could be interesting. lol
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Heck, not every Christian denomination has such strictures.
The real question to Donohue is: since we have religious freedom in America, why aren't religions that sanctify same-sex marriage given the same freedom as those that don't?
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)That's their whole premise! That since they know g-d on a personal basis, they get to define everything!!!
They get to say what's good and what's not. They get to say who lives in peace on earth and who gets to live in peace in heaven. They've always have this megalomaniacal penchant for grandiosity and superiority complexes.
- The church began in infamy, murder, complicity and theft. Essentially all the things they still do. Once a bad die has been cast, the only way to fix it it so break it up and melt it down.......
K&R
defacto7
(13,485 posts)They actually DO think they own marriage... at least "real" marriage. All others are false, or for the more liberal among them less genuine.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)It is so hypocritical for the Catholic Church to open their mouths about anything. Did anyone see that Frontline article on PBS a couple nights ago? The church people need to take their "judgments" back to their churches. Judge not that ye be not judged, Mr Catholic Donohue. Judge not that ye be not judged.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)When he said, "It's a civil situation."
Marriage is a civil contract regulated by the state, not the church.
We learned about those regulations in Family Law and Marital Property courses in law school.
I looked up Chris Cuomo on Wiki, and he is an attorney like his brother Andrew, the current governor, and his father Mario, the former governor, of New York.
This doesn't surprise me in a very political family.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)RainDog
(28,784 posts)Mz Pip
(27,452 posts)He's always on a rant. If it isn't about the gays it's about contraception. Most of the time he looks like he's about ready to stroke out he's so pissed.
Must be tough to be that mad so often. Self righteous prick.
47of74
(18,470 posts)Mainly that marriage is not about love (which in his case is probably true).
Politicub
(12,165 posts)I heard it on the way into work.
His clock was thoroughly cleaned and it's worth a listen.
indepat
(20,899 posts)Liberal_Dog
(11,075 posts)Very well done.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Barely even own their own clergy or the Vatican staff.
Lex
(34,108 posts)Not even close.
merrily
(45,251 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)If he did, now that would be a bit o' irony!
Bill Donohue needs to get on the Pope Francis bandwagon, stat. What part of "Who are we to judge?" is unclear to him, I wonder?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)to suggest that Francis is not stridently opposed to marriage equality as well as to any same sex relationships or community building is to show your own lack of understanding and information about what he has actually said. Francis calls marriage equality 'a destructive attack on God's plan, a machination of the Father of Lies'. That means it comes from the devil. That is not different from Donohue, it is the same as Donohue. That 'who am I to judge' comment is about celibate, solitary gay people and that comment came along with many negative comments about gay people and 'the gay lobby' which he said simply 'is very bad'.
So I'm sorry, but the Francis bandwagon is rolling in Uganda, Arizona, and it is that bandwagon that carries Donohue, he rides the coattails of Francis.
Francis and Donohue believe and preach the exact same things about LGBT rights and people, about contraception, about abortion and about women's place in church and in life. It is also the Republican point of view on all of those subjects.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I don't want to get into a theological argument, here, but I would say that "Who are we to judge?" is a long long way from "Kill 'em all and keep the kids away from 'em...because, ya know, it's CATCHING...!" homophobia.
I get the sense Francis is trying to move an aircraft carrier--something that doesn't happen fast and has to be done incrementally. I don't know if he'll turn it more than a few inches in his lifetime, but one can only hope. He's not a young man, though he remains in good health and is vigorous.
Donohue, OTOH, if given the task to "Round 'em all up and kill 'em" would take to the job as if it was "God's Work."
There is a difference in tone and substance between the two, though neither espouses views with which I agree.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)not just law but a 'machination of the Father of Lies'. I don't find that tone very different from Donohue's. My civil rights are some tactic of Satan's in a war against God himself. It's not different from Donohue. They also believe in the same end goal, no marriage rights, no adoption, no education about equality, no contraception, no abortion, no women in authority.
And the whole 'trying to move an aircraft carrier' thing is old and tired, if he wanted to change course, the first step is to chart and announce that course and he's not done that, so he's not even attempting to actually steer any craft.
Francis has not even spoken out against the Uganda laws, Uganda is over 40% Catholic, but he has said nothing, other than his fueling the fires over the years with his 'plan of the devil' rhetoric.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)This is the same Pope Francis who found time to tweet his support to anti-choice marchers in Washington and recently denounced abortion rights as part of a "throwaway culture".
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)There was silence on that day about the March.
amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 28, 2014, 10:25 AM - Edit history (1)
So that makes him a perfect rep for religies and their moronic 'values'
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Nice!