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David Zephyr

(22,785 posts)
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 05:30 PM Feb 2014

It's Not Too Early for Me: Hillary for President 2016

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Anyone here during the 2008 primary campaign knows how I enthusiastically supported Barack Obama. I remember just how wounding that time was, especially here at the DU. Six years later, President Obama has accomplished so much more than he is credited for in the media or even by the Left. Let me be clear: He saved this nation (and the world) from sliding into a deep economic depression akin to that of the 1930's. That economic meltdown was really that bad. And with no help from the Republicans and against a rabid, racially-rooted and seething hatred against this President, he worked optimistically -- even with so many unprecedented limitations to his Presidency -- to put our country on a much better road economically, to restore our broken relations with the rest of the world, to end two wars that were never necessary, to further civil rights and economic opportunity and fairness within our land. And he's still at it today with his never-failing smile and good nature. I can only wonder what could have been if he'd had any cooperation from Congress and what more he could have achieved. Keep this in mind: undoing bad is also doing good. It may not make a lot of headlines, but make no mistake about this: President Obama has undone a lot of bad.

PRESIDENT HILLARY CLINTON: There is no one alive within the United States more qualified now to be the next President of the United States than Hillary Rodham Clinton. Period. In hindsight, it will turn out to be a blessing that America had to wait for Hillary because we will have a long stretch of sixteen years of Obama/Clinton leadership in the White House. Like with Roosevelt. Sixteen years to turn back the termite-like destruction from twelve years of Reagan-Bush capped off with eight later years of Bush/Cheney. Sixteen years! You bet I want those sixteen years.

I have no need whatsoever to now try to find a candidate more left-wing like myself to suit my own politics in a 2016 primary. It's like the saying, don't punish the good for the perfect except Hillary Clinton is as close to a perfect choice for the times there is. So, yes, I already have my choice and it's with a woman I trust to be at the helm of this country. Hillary Clinton will be a great President. She's an inspiration, not to millions, but to billions around the world. Her destiny is calling. She's prepared her entire life for this moment and that moment has come...when it serves the country and world better than it would have in 2008. Eight plus eight is sixteen. And I'm glad to see she's being cautious now because I don't want anything to mess with that destiny.

We need those sixteen years just as the American people needed those sixteen years with FDR and Eleanor.

Will you help me make it possible for President Obama to stand alongside our next President Hillary Clinton in January 2017 at the Inauguration with Michelle and Bill standing there with them? It's not too early at all. Hillary Clinton for President in 2016.

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It's Not Too Early for Me: Hillary for President 2016 (Original Post) David Zephyr Feb 2014 OP
K&R! Well-written post and concurr 100%. BlueCaliDem Feb 2014 #1
! David Zephyr Feb 2014 #3
Hear hear lumpy Feb 2014 #9
I trust someone from the 99% rather than the 1% Whisp Feb 2014 #2
Senator Warren is supporting Hillary for President. David Zephyr Feb 2014 #5
of course she has to say that at this point in time. Whisp Feb 2014 #6
She didn't have to say anything. She could have used... Walk away Feb 2014 #22
If you are referring to that 'secret letter' of support Whisp Feb 2014 #68
That's a fastenating theory! Walk away Feb 2014 #99
I'm on board with Warren too Aerows Feb 2014 #26
Since you can't vote in the US, it really doesn't matter who you support in 2016. Beacool Feb 2014 #76
I suppose you aren't aware that American Presidents have effect Whisp Feb 2014 #80
You can like or dislike anyone you want, but you still can't vote here. Beacool Feb 2014 #85
Why don't you do a poll and see how many of us furiners here Whisp Feb 2014 #93
That's a really, really good point MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #89
No. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #10
what would you do of she endorsed Hillary? joshcryer Feb 2014 #13
Depends on the circumstances, of course. nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #16
I think the reference is to the "Secret Letter" signed Maedhros Feb 2014 #48
That secret wasn't secret long, was it? Whisp Feb 2014 #69
A ruse? Beacool Feb 2014 #77
It's a possibility. Maedhros Feb 2014 #82
Yes, but there's a little bitty detail, she's not running for office at this point in time. Beacool Feb 2014 #86
She IS the presumed nominee, no? [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2014 #88
By the media, who are flogging that meme daily. Beacool Feb 2014 #90
She will not choose not to run. joshcryer Feb 2014 #105
I'm not flogging anything, none of us know whether she is running or not. Beacool Feb 2014 #118
A secret encouragement. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #81
That's the inscrutable part. Maedhros Feb 2014 #84
Because it was a private letter of encouragement. Beacool Feb 2014 #87
Oh, I have no doubt she is personally quite charming. Maedhros Feb 2014 #91
Apparently because it was a slip of the tongue. Beacool Feb 2014 #119
Alleged letter. Maedhros Feb 2014 #123
Oh, for goodness sakes!!! Beacool Feb 2014 #124
This letter is being cited as hard evidence that Elizabeth Warren isn't running for President Maedhros Feb 2014 #125
The letter is just one factor. Beacool Feb 2014 #130
The letter was likely a general "I support a run" thing. joshcryer Feb 2014 #104
What I admire most about Senator Warren is that she doesn't bullshit or eqivocate...She isn't Rowdyboy Feb 2014 #18
She's not afraid to state what she believes in plain language Aerows Feb 2014 #28
Well said, Rowdyboy. David Zephyr Feb 2014 #29
Warren’s net worth as of the end of 2011 was as high as $14.5 million spanone Feb 2014 #38
As was pointed out to me, this wiki was created and managed by Legal Insurrection, Agnosticsherbet Feb 2014 #100
I'll vote for her gwheezie Feb 2014 #4
not to early for me either hfojvt Feb 2014 #7
suggest another and fight for them joshcryer Feb 2014 #12
Warren or O'Malley Aerows Feb 2014 #30
not without a war chest joshcryer Feb 2014 #41
You would be surprised who is willing to give Aerows Feb 2014 #43
better get started with a draft joshcryer Feb 2014 #50
I know, right? Aerows Feb 2014 #54
her numbers then were typical joshcryer Feb 2014 #63
You never know, my friend Aerows Feb 2014 #66
If the Democrats don't have a primary, I will be super pissed. joshcryer Feb 2014 #106
..sorry, but I disagree sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #8
it will be Hillary joshcryer Feb 2014 #11
Can't argue with joshcryer. David Zephyr Feb 2014 #47
Heard that in 2008, lol..... not a chance. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #60
another right of center democrat? still time for her to put on the populist mantle nt msongs Feb 2014 #14
Which she'd take off as soon as she was elected nt dflprincess Feb 2014 #96
It's Not Too Early for Me Either: Say NO to Hillary for President 2016 (nt) bigwillq Feb 2014 #15
Can you help me out here? I'd love to MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #17
She is excellent in 2 areas sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #21
I'm looking for some specifics. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #25
I forgot two other items about Hillary sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #24
What bull shit Manny. Why you think you have to DonViejo Feb 2014 #32
Well, you're half right. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #33
I'm calling you on your bull shit Manny; not interested DonViejo Feb 2014 #36
I posit that *nobody* has a good answer to those questions. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #40
It can be argued that this doesn't qualify Tom Rinaldo Feb 2014 #98
She worked on the TPP solarhydrocan Feb 2014 #107
As long as her health is good, I believe she will be our nominee! MoonRiver Feb 2014 #19
"...crossing you in style someday" David Zephyr Feb 2014 #49
Why thank you David! MoonRiver Feb 2014 #120
if Obama is 'too corporatist'... as some say here. Whisp Feb 2014 #20
If Hillary was a man with the very same credentials and history, the same people championing her Ikonoklast Feb 2014 #23
I never thought Obama was a liberal gwheezie Feb 2014 #35
If only all Democrats were as reflective as you. David Zephyr Feb 2014 #46
Nope. IWR vote and support the drones is a deal breaker for me. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #27
Martin O'Malley is a good candidate Aerows Feb 2014 #31
They'd certainly take MD and MA... brooklynite Feb 2014 #37
I'm in the Deep South Aerows Feb 2014 #39
Of course not - TBF Feb 2014 #53
Hillary will carry Texas. David Zephyr Feb 2014 #56
You are right Aerows Feb 2014 #57
I hear ya - TBF Feb 2014 #61
She's well liked in TX by the Latino community because she spent time there Beacool Feb 2014 #79
I agree that Hillary could win Texas Gothmog Feb 2014 #128
Yup - TBF Feb 2014 #129
Just a guess: you're not an average Mississippi voter... brooklynite Feb 2014 #83
k&r... spanone Feb 2014 #34
I'm with you, spanone. David Zephyr Feb 2014 #51
hey old timer! dionysus Feb 2014 #42
Old, indeed. I'm a fossile. David Zephyr Feb 2014 #52
Hillary is the best qualified candidate. Walk away Feb 2014 #44
This party is in serious trouble frwrfpos Feb 2014 #45
GOTV 2014, or any 2016 talk is just blab. longship Feb 2014 #55
Definitely need 16 years of a Democratic majority and presidency. GOTV, 2014. n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #58
Al Gore is more qualified. Feingold is more qualified. Sanders is more qualified. And of those three grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #59
"He saved this nation (and the world) from sliding into a deep economic depression". I would argue grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #62
Really distressed that one zentrum Feb 2014 #64
I have to agree with --- Barbara Bush! {{{omg}}} democrat2thecore Feb 2014 #65
THIS!!! bobduca Feb 2014 #102
Let's cut to the chase - what are her policy positions? grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #67
Pro security state, pro corporate trade agreement, anti single payer... JEB Feb 2014 #101
I'm for Al Franken. pangaia Feb 2014 #70
Hello old friend Crewleader Feb 2014 #71
Crewleader! This is the DU'er who welcomed me here in 2001. David Zephyr Feb 2014 #126
Thank you for the kind words David and please stay intouch my dear friend! Crewleader Feb 2014 #131
To the trash until 2014 is over. I'm with Wendy. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #72
:) So am I! nt TBF Feb 2014 #110
Inevitable... bobclark86 Feb 2014 #73
It's a nicely written and thoughtful post, Beacool Feb 2014 #74
No way, I will actively work against her in the primaries. And if the nominee hold my nose! n-t Logical Feb 2014 #75
Supports the drug War. Shoulders of Giants Feb 2014 #78
It isn't too early for her to "spend time with her family" and "pursue personal interests" TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #92
I'm going to wait for some to actually declare for 2016. Until then, 2014 is coming neverforget Feb 2014 #94
Whoa! colsohlibgal Feb 2014 #95
+1000 dflprincess Feb 2014 #97
No sh*t.....The deep end has been breached. marmar Feb 2014 #121
So basically... "it's her turn, gosh darnit!" Scootaloo Feb 2014 #103
2014 comes first. Please! Otherwise whoever the Prez is will be in the same fix as Obama... Hekate Feb 2014 #108
You want fries with that ... GeorgeGist Feb 2014 #109
I'm right there with you. William769 Feb 2014 #111
2014 is my priority Gothmog Feb 2014 #112
Ready, set, and go ... PowerToThePeople Feb 2014 #113
well written, but I disagree completely. Hillary is as corporate a creature as can be found cali Feb 2014 #114
I am impressed, the quality of trolling on the DU has really taken an upswing lately Fumesucker Feb 2014 #115
"Trolling" is now defined as "supporting a candidate 17 million Democrats supported in 2008"? brooklynite Feb 2014 #116
It's a matter of style Fumesucker Feb 2014 #117
Gotta disagree with the "way to soon"... brooklynite Feb 2014 #122
She's got my vote. NT Adrahil Feb 2014 #127

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
1. K&R! Well-written post and concurr 100%.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 05:35 PM
Feb 2014

We need those sixteen years and there's no one more qualified to continue the good work of putting this country back on track than Hillary Rodham Clinton.

She definitely has our votes.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
2. I trust someone from the 99% rather than the 1%
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 05:40 PM
Feb 2014

Warren fits the bill,
Clinton will give us the bill, and the Bill.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
6. of course she has to say that at this point in time.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 05:57 PM
Feb 2014

How would it sound if Warren said this?

No, I do not support Hillary.

lol. The smears would already be in third gear against her.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
22. She didn't have to say anything. She could have used...
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 07:19 PM
Feb 2014

her support for leverage for her issues later on but instead she volunteered her support early on.
Warren is a class act but she does not want to run.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
68. If you are referring to that 'secret letter' of support
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 08:50 PM
Feb 2014

I don't take that too seriously. For one if it was secret, we wouldn't know about it and for two, it sounds exactly like something the Clinton team would plant.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
99. That's a fastenating theory!
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:06 PM
Feb 2014

Of course it makes no sense but good luck with your candidate. Let's hope you can show the kind of grace that she does and not make up smears for Democrats that you don't like.
I'll file your post so that I can take it out and laugh at it when Elizabeth Warren officially endorses Hillary.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
26. I'm on board with Warren too
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 07:36 PM
Feb 2014

The moment the woman decides to run, I am running all cylinders to help her get elected!

Beacool

(30,240 posts)
76. Since you can't vote in the US, it really doesn't matter who you support in 2016.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 09:39 PM
Feb 2014

As much as it doesn't matter who I may prefer in Canada.



 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
80. I suppose you aren't aware that American Presidents have effect
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 09:53 PM
Feb 2014

on the world, and especially on the next door neighbours and that effect gives us the right to have opinions, just as you can have yours.

I am a bit surprised at your post, but not really. You got nothing else but that furiner slur I've been hearing so often lately.


Beacool

(30,240 posts)
85. You can like or dislike anyone you want, but you still can't vote here.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 09:56 PM
Feb 2014

I never once see you comment about happenings over in your area.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
93. Why don't you do a poll and see how many of us furiners here
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 10:13 PM
Feb 2014

can't vote in your elections and maybe petition Skinner to restrict our postings in some way.

While you are at it, take a poll on what forums are required to participate in. Maybe investigations ought to be set up!

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
48. I think the reference is to the "Secret Letter" signed
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 08:13 PM
Feb 2014

by a number of female Democratic Senators, in which it is claimed they support Hillary's presidential bid:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/10/in-secret-letter-senate-democratic-women-rally-behind-hillary-clinton/

The existence of the letter was not revealed publicly until this week, when Sen. Kay Hagan, D-N.C., mentioned it at an event in New York City on Monday. That was an apparent slip-up that prompted a round of apologetic e-mails from her Senate office to other offices on Capitol Hill, according to the aides.

“All of the Senate Democratic women have written her a letter encouraging her to run,” Hagan told a gathering organized by EMILY’s List, according to Capital New York. The event was part of the group’s “Madam President” series, which is organizing events around the country to promote interest in a female Democratic presidential candidate.

Hagan’s office did not return calls seeking comment. Clinton aides also did not respond to requests for comment.


Of course, the money quote is this:

The actual letter has still not emerged publicly. But its existence adds momentum to the growing sense of inevitability around a Clinton candidacy in 2016.


Could be a ruse by Clinton campaign staff to further the "inevitability" meme.

Beacool

(30,240 posts)
86. Yes, but there's a little bitty detail, she's not running for office at this point in time.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 09:59 PM
Feb 2014

For all we know, she may choose not to run again.

Beacool

(30,240 posts)
90. By the media, who are flogging that meme daily.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 10:05 PM
Feb 2014

They are doing Hillary no favors. They just know that both Clintons sell papers and bring eyeballs to a computer screen.

joshcryer

(62,259 posts)
105. She will not choose not to run.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 03:00 AM
Feb 2014

She is the leading candidate. Unless that changes and another (credibly challenging) woman announces before she does (which is unlikely), she will be running. I wish you'd stop flogging this "technically correct" view.

If another woman does announce before Clinton does, then it'll be just like Obama announcing he was running after Clinton said she was doing an "exploration committee." It will cause a lot of bad blood, so it's just not likely that a credible threat to Clinton announces. And yes, it will be a woman.

If Clinton runs she will not publicly announce an "exploration committee." She will drop a bomb and announce it at a speech or event somewhere, and then say "I already explored this option before and I have come to the same conclusion, there is no need for an exploration committee."

Beacool

(30,240 posts)
118. I'm not flogging anything, none of us know whether she is running or not.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 10:11 AM
Feb 2014

It's the media who keep flogging the "Hillary is inevitable" meme. Then people here get bent out of shape and start trashing her.

Why would she choose not to run? Frankly, because being president is a thankless job. I wonder if Obama figured that one by now. Yes, you go in the history books and it's a huge ego boost, but is it worth the stress and loss of privacy? She may decide that she's been there and done that already with Bill.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
81. A secret encouragement.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 09:55 PM
Feb 2014

Must have contained vital national security secrets?

Or naughty pictures?

One can only imagine!

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
84. That's the inscrutable part.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 09:56 PM
Feb 2014

Why would female Democratic Senators feel it necessary to keep such a thing secret?

Beacool

(30,240 posts)
87. Because it was a private letter of encouragement.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 10:02 PM
Feb 2014

Believe it or not, outside this place and other LW blogs, Hillary is very popular among Democrats. She was equally popular with her colleagues. People around here seem to be in denial, but she's actually a pretty cool person. It's not that hard to believe that those who know her like her.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
91. Oh, I have no doubt she is personally quite charming.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 10:07 PM
Feb 2014

At one time I had a huge crush on the woman. Over time I developed a severe distaste for her politics, though.

I just find the situation strange. As you say, she's very popular among Democrats and many are openly urging her to run for President. Why would Kay Hagan not just offer that exact response - "it was a private letter of encouragement" - rather than refuse calls asking for comment?

Beacool

(30,240 posts)
119. Apparently because it was a slip of the tongue.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 10:15 AM
Feb 2014

The letter was supposed to be confidential. Who cares why Kagan responded one way or another? The fact remains that the women Democratic senators wrote Hillary a letter encouraging to run and they all signed it.





 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
125. This letter is being cited as hard evidence that Elizabeth Warren isn't running for President
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 05:22 PM
Feb 2014

and is putting her support behind Hillary.

In that context, it's important to take the report of this letter with a grain of salt.

Beacool

(30,240 posts)
130. The letter is just one factor.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 07:23 PM
Feb 2014

Warren has repeatedly said that she's not interested in running. Believe it or not, not every rookie politician aspires to be president. She may be perfectly content making a difference in the Senate. Lord knows that it needs more senators like her.

joshcryer

(62,259 posts)
104. The letter was likely a general "I support a run" thing.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 02:55 AM
Feb 2014

I think Warren would sign off on such a letter regardless of who it advocated (as long as it was a Democrat anyway).

Rowdyboy

(22,057 posts)
18. What I admire most about Senator Warren is that she doesn't bullshit or eqivocate...She isn't
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 06:45 PM
Feb 2014

a typical politician and that's what makes her special. She doesn't have a coy or calculating bone in her body, unlike most of the other "leaders" in American politics today. I take her at her word on 2016 and anything else she says.

Should circumstances require her to re-evaluate her decision (such as if Clinton chooses not to run) then she'll go to the top of my list. Until then, I look forward to her advocacy for the causes we all support in the senate.

Not saying you shouldn't advocate for her. Maybe I'm wrong and she can be pressured into a run but I would be way beyond shocked. She's not the type to say one thing and then do another.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
28. She's not afraid to state what she believes in plain language
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 07:38 PM
Feb 2014

and she doesn't back up from people that get offended by her telling the truth - she just backs her statements up with more facts until they retreat with their tails between their legs.

David Zephyr

(22,785 posts)
29. Well said, Rowdyboy.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 07:38 PM
Feb 2014

Like you, I have great admiration for Senator Warren. How could I not? That said, she's supporting Hillary and so am I. I want a Democrat in the White House between 2017 and 2021.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
100. As was pointed out to me, this wiki was created and managed by Legal Insurrection,
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 12:19 AM
Feb 2014

a conservative blog, who work to tear down both Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren.

Though the information appears correct, it should be taken with a grain of salt due to the source.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
4. I'll vote for her
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 05:51 PM
Feb 2014

If someone else wants to primary her, I might consider voting for that person but I like Hillary, always have, I don't think dems are going to find anyone better to run for 16. Warren already said she isn't running. There are several other dems who I think would be fine presidents, but I don't think they will primary Hill. I really am interested in watching some of these newer folks coming up in the ranks, there are some outstanding dems out there but I doubt they are ready to run unless Hill decides not to.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
54. I know, right?
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 08:20 PM
Feb 2014

You never know what can happen. Clinton was a shoe-in for 2008 and we saw how that went.

joshcryer

(62,259 posts)
63. her numbers then were typical
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 08:30 PM
Feb 2014

now they are insurmountable

I will fight for any credible challenger to Clinton with everything I got, but until I see it I won't waste effort on bright eyed fantasies

I was part of the draft Gore movement, never again, too depressing

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
66. You never know, my friend
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 08:33 PM
Feb 2014

2016 is a while away, and you never can tell where the political landscape will lie. If it's Hillary that gets the nominee, I'll vote for her. I just hope we have some credible challengers other than "I'm a batshit crazy Republican" to at least take the conversation a bit to the left.

"I'm not a lunatic" is kind of wearing thin in seeking public officials.

joshcryer

(62,259 posts)
106. If the Democrats don't have a primary, I will be super pissed.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 04:07 AM
Feb 2014

McCaskill wants to forgo primaries completely. This is the most insane idea I have ever heard.

So yeah, we need some damn good challengers and I will even donate to the most progressive one (but I will not expend energy fighting for them because I can't handle the depression that would cause). If we can get a good challenger, who will bring up issues we care about, at minimum we can shift Clinton's positions to the left.

(Note: her campaign will undoubtedly be far left of Obama's in 2008, she'll be the first non-incumbent to advocate gay marriage, and she will likely support marijuana legalization as she has channeled that at one point in the past.)

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
8. ..sorry, but I disagree
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 06:00 PM
Feb 2014

President Obama in my book is not in the same league as FDR for one.
Hillary Clinton would bring too much old garbage with her (NAFTA, Iraq war) and is already due to their contributions obliged to the corporations. She certainly would make a great justice of the Supreme Court though. We need someone younger and more in line with Jill Stein or elisabeth Warren for this country to move forward and away from the present plutocracy. IMHO. Should Hillary become the Democratic candidate, however, I suppose I will have to vote for her as the usual lesser of two evils.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
17. Can you help me out here? I'd love to
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 06:39 PM
Feb 2014

tell my family and friends about how great Hillary, but I need some specifics. Can you list the top 2 or 3...

- Pieces of legislation that Hillary initiated?
- Tough political fights that she's won?
- Diplomatic breakthroughs she achieved?

Thanks in advance!

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
21. She is excellent in 2 areas
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 07:15 PM
Feb 2014

She has been a very good Secretary of State, but remember that foreign policy was decided by President Obama. Still, I give credit for that. She also would be terrific with womens issues. Yet, I think these will more often decided by the states or the courts. I have no idea where she stands as far as TPP, net neutrality, unions, infrastructure, job creation etc. are concerned. She just pushed back some of the conservative efforts by Democratic senators to install more sanctions against Iran. No matter what will happen during the next few years, I think the inequality and economic issues will dictate the elections. Does that help? Or were your questions only rhetorical?

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
24. I forgot two other items about Hillary
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 07:34 PM
Feb 2014

She is very, very intelligent indeed. I don't know about people on DU, but secondly women voters will fly to her like bees to the pollen. Women are hungry for a women to become President, and she knows how to attract them.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
32. What bull shit Manny. Why you think you have to
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 07:50 PM
Feb 2014

lie regarding your feelings for Hillary Clinton or pretend that you are truly, honestly and sincerely interested in convincing your "family and friends" to vote for Mrs Clinton is beyond me. But, what the heck, if playing games with DU'ers spins your yarmulka then, by all means, go for it. And we all know, if you were truly interested in the answers to the questions, you'd be searching for them on Google.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
33. Well, you're half right.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 07:54 PM
Feb 2014

I *would* like to like Clinton, but that would depend in large part on having positive answers to those questions. Answers that I don't *think* exist, which is part of why I'm not a fan, but here's your chance: what are some specific great things that she's done?

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
36. I'm calling you on your bull shit Manny; not interested
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 07:57 PM
Feb 2014

in advocating for Mrs Clinton or my U.S. Senator, Elizabeth Warren. I'm not interested in bad-mouthing or deriding them either. Go do a Google search for your answers (but I sincerely believe you all ready know the answers, one of the reasons you're playing this little game of, "oh but teach me!&quot

Tom Rinaldo

(22,909 posts)
98. It can be argued that this doesn't qualify
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 10:47 PM
Feb 2014

But I saw video footage of a truly amazing feminist speech she delivered to the political leadership of China gathered together in an assembly a number of years back. It was stunning in its clarity and sharpness about women's issues and I honestly believe she was the only person in the world both capable of and able to carry that message so forcefully into the heart of the Chinese system at that time in a manner that gained their full attention. It's not legislation exactly but I think Hilary Clinton has accomplished a lot in the way she has championed women's issues world wide.

solarhydrocan

(551 posts)
107. She worked on the TPP
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 04:17 AM
Feb 2014

and promoted it as SOS





And she voted "with conviction" for the Iraq War as Senator



Hope that helps!

David Zephyr

(22,785 posts)
49. "...crossing you in style someday"
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 08:16 PM
Feb 2014

I hear that. I'm a big fan of your name, MoonRiver. Henry Mancini and Johnny Mercer penned what is possibly the best popular song ever written.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
20. if Obama is 'too corporatist'... as some say here.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 07:02 PM
Feb 2014


and they cheer on Hillary like she is a leftist progressive compared to him...

well, you gotta admire the guts and the folly, at least!

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
23. If Hillary was a man with the very same credentials and history, the same people championing her
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 07:33 PM
Feb 2014

would be excoriating her candidacy as a move back to the right, and a corporate shill.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
35. I never thought Obama was a liberal
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 07:55 PM
Feb 2014

I don't think Hillary is either. I voted for both of them, Hill in my primary and Obama in the GE in 08. I knew who I was voting for. The main reason I voted for Hill over Obama in the primary was I thought the rightwing was going to be very tough and that Hill was more familiar with fighting them, I thought Obama was going to be too easy on them.In the end, I think Obama turned out to be the better choice and I was very happy to vote for him. I refuse to engage in the Obama vs Hillary battle again and I won't do it in 16 either when dems pick a nominee. I would have voted for someone else in my primary but by the time it came around, my favorite had dropped out. I guess you can vote for someone not on the ballot but I wasn't going go that route.
If someone else steps up other than Hillary and they get as far as my primary, I would consider voting for someone else however I will not automatically vote against Hillary. I don't hate her, there's a lot I like about her.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
31. Martin O'Malley is a good candidate
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 07:44 PM
Feb 2014

He's governor of Maryland, and he's a very strong presence. Elizabeth Warren, hell, she's amazing. The two of them on a ticket would be unstoppable.

brooklynite

(93,129 posts)
37. They'd certainly take MD and MA...
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 08:00 PM
Feb 2014

Explain how an all liberal, all east coast ticket would be conpetetive in the tossup States.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
39. I'm in the Deep South
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 08:02 PM
Feb 2014

I like both of them. Are you telling me that if this person (me) in MS likes what they stand for, nobody else in the South can't, either?

TBF

(31,869 posts)
53. Of course not -
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 08:19 PM
Feb 2014

but we've got a good chance at Texas with Hillary. Labor down here loves her. The challenge will be getting them registered. I can tell you she was very popular in the primaries against Obama down here - that is the Latin vote. Other southern states went for Obama, but Texas has many more electoral votes and Hillary won the primary in 2008 against Obama in Texas (I know because I was a precinct co-captain working on the Obama campaign). Sadly it is all a numbers game. Like everything else in this country ...

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
57. You are right
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 08:24 PM
Feb 2014

We'll see where the chips all fall when the real run-up to 2016 begins. I'm not willing to put all my chips in the Hillary basket, but if she is nominated, I *will* vote for her. I'd just like another choice between her and batshit crazy Republican.

TBF

(31,869 posts)
61. I hear ya -
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 08:26 PM
Feb 2014

I do my best to vote for the people who will do the least amount of damage in office & continue to advocate for more important issues (like getting rid of capitalism all together).

Beacool

(30,240 posts)
79. She's well liked in TX by the Latino community because she spent time there
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 09:48 PM
Feb 2014

registering Hispanics to vote one summer while in law school. She was already dating Bill and he tagged along.

Gothmog

(142,729 posts)
128. I agree that Hillary could win Texas
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 06:04 PM
Feb 2014

I was very active in 2008 during the Obama/Clinton primary and caucus fight. Hillary Clinton is very popular in Texas.

BTW, there is a rumor that Hillary Clinton may be at the state convention and that she will be campaigning for Wendy Davis.

TBF

(31,869 posts)
129. Yup -
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 06:10 PM
Feb 2014

we did our best in Brazoria and Hillary won the primary. Latina women told me they trusted her and that she has a lot of support in San Antonio.

brooklynite

(93,129 posts)
83. Just a guess: you're not an average Mississippi voter...
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 09:55 PM
Feb 2014

By virtue of the fact that you're here, you're probably also not an average Mississippi Democrat

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
44. Hillary is the best qualified candidate.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 08:08 PM
Feb 2014

I have a lot of faith in her ability to run the country and deal with the blight of Teabaggers that will be around trying to screw thing up for many years to come. I am a little sick of having a Democrat as president who can't whip Congress into shape. I'd like to see her play hardball and she's the one to do it.

 

frwrfpos

(517 posts)
45. This party is in serious trouble
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 08:10 PM
Feb 2014

if she is the nominee.

How much further right can this country go until collapse

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
59. Al Gore is more qualified. Feingold is more qualified. Sanders is more qualified. And of those three
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 08:25 PM
Feb 2014

ALL are more exceptional, and have better solutions to our countries problems than Hillary.

Where does she stand on the TPP?

How bout taxing the Waltons who she used to work for?

Medicare for All?

War and more war?

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
62. "He saved this nation (and the world) from sliding into a deep economic depression". I would argue
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 08:28 PM
Feb 2014

that he saved the banks and the wealthy, but not the middle class and the poor.

By bailing these losers out, he turned them into winners and the rest of us into victims of their criminal behavior.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
64. Really distressed that one
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 08:30 PM
Feb 2014

...of our most corporate Dems is being anointed.

Has my vote only out of fear of a Republican WH and I'm nauseous that once again a DLC Dem might be our only choice.

Don't think I can work for hours for her as did for O.


democrat2thecore

(3,572 posts)
65. I have to agree with --- Barbara Bush! {{{omg}}}
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 08:30 PM
Feb 2014

There are more than two families who have people qualified to be president of the United States.
No Jeb
and
No Hillary

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
101. Pro security state, pro corporate trade agreement, anti single payer...
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 12:21 AM
Feb 2014

not too sure on most issues.

David Zephyr

(22,785 posts)
126. Crewleader! This is the DU'er who welcomed me here in 2001.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 05:55 PM
Feb 2014

And I adore her and whatever she says is gospel. Take it from me. Crewleader, you are dear to my heart and always will be. I don't post much here to the DU too much (age), but I read the great posts and enjoy keeping in touch.

Beacool

(30,240 posts)
74. It's a nicely written and thoughtful post,
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 09:36 PM
Feb 2014

but people are pushing too hard. It's too soon, and she may not even want the gig. I would run, not walk, to campaign for her if she announces; but let's respect her right to have some time as a private citizen without so much pressure put on her.



78. Supports the drug War.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 09:47 PM
Feb 2014

Was against Gay marriage until the polls changed. Voted for the Iraq War. Supports Death penalty. Doesn't Support true Single Payer.


Obviously she is better than whoever the Republicans will probably nominate. If I were in a swing state, and it was between her and Santorum Huckabee etc, of course I'd vote for her. However, thats pure "lesser of the two evils." I always vote for someone I support in the primary, even if that person gets less than 1 percent of the vote. I know some people claim people have problems with Hillary Clinton because of her image or something. That's why I started this post to show issues of substance which are troubling. To be fair, many of these same issues can be addressed to many members of the Democratic Party establishment as well.

neverforget

(9,432 posts)
94. I'm going to wait for some to actually declare for 2016. Until then, 2014 is coming
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 10:18 PM
Feb 2014

up and the Democrats need to win.

colsohlibgal

(5,273 posts)
95. Whoa!
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 10:19 PM
Feb 2014

Clinton and Obama=FDR? I spit out my coffee. Let's see - The New Deal versus the repeal of Glass-Steagall, the passing of NAFTA etc, and Obama trying to fast track the TPP. So not so much the same.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
103. So basically... "it's her turn, gosh darnit!"
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 01:41 AM
Feb 2014

I'm at best neutral on Clinton. She didn't achieve much as Senator - except helping get us into Iraq. As Secretary of State, she failed massively on the Arab Spring and the re-dictatoring of Egypt, not only helping preserve autocracies in these states but sending a clear message to the people there that America prefers them subjugated. I'm... not impressed by this.

So I look in these threads wondering if someone can sell me on achievements, stances, accomplishments that i may have missed. I see frequent assertions that she's super-qualified, but I never see the basis for these assertion. I almost get the impression that she's "most qualified" simply because she's the first one out the gate.

If she's the best candidate, i'll vote for her in the primaries. But so far as i can see, she's the only candidate, there's bound to be several more, and what i have on her is her foreign policy record, which reads like Wolfowitz.

Hekate

(89,578 posts)
108. 2014 comes first. Please! Otherwise whoever the Prez is will be in the same fix as Obama...
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 05:07 AM
Feb 2014

...with a lousy GOP controlled House and maybe Senate too.

GOTV 2014!

Gothmog

(142,729 posts)
112. 2014 is my priority
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 09:31 AM
Feb 2014

I like Hillary but I want to focus on Wendy Davis first In that regard, I have heard from my county chair that Hillary may be coming to Texas to campaign for Wendy. I would love to see Hillary Clinton campaign for Wendy

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
114. well written, but I disagree completely. Hillary is as corporate a creature as can be found
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 09:34 AM
Feb 2014

in politics- and that's saying something.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
117. It's a matter of style
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 09:57 AM
Feb 2014

The OP was just that little bit too far over the top and way too soon.

A lot of people take Third Way Manny seriously too at first exposure.

brooklynite

(93,129 posts)
122. Gotta disagree with the "way to soon"...
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 12:06 PM
Feb 2014

I know a lot of people say "worry about 2014 first", but the reality is, if you want a candidate to announce in early-mid 2015, they have to have spent a good chunk of 2014 lining up organizational support and money. O'Malley and Schweitzer were starting back at the Convention in Charlotte.

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