Poll: Do you support Obama and the TPP?

[OhioChick]

Sat Jan 25, 2014 at 07:12 PM PST

There must be a way to blame this thing on the Republicans, but I can't figure out how to do it for myself, so I'm hoping that any number of Democratic Party hacks will flood the comments with excuses for the President!

Obama and the TPP!

The TPP would replicate and expand to additional countries the trade agreement model established in the NAFTA. Twenty years of evidence of NAFTA's contribution to U.S. income inequality has become a major problem for Obama's push to get Congress to provide Fast Track authority for the massive TPP deal, described as NAFTA on steroids.

Not a single House Democrat would sponsor the legislation submitted two weeks ago to establish Fast Track. Last week, 17 Senate Democrats made their feelings known in letters to Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.). And last November, 151 House Democrats signed a letter saying they oppose Fast Track, arguing that lawmakers have been cut out of negotiations.

More: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/25/1272535/-Poll-Do-you-support-Obama-and-the-TPP

Poll is half-way down the page.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. Here's the results from right now:

Do you support Obama and the TPP?

Yes!
10% 6 votes

No!
89% 53 votes


| 59 votes | Results


On edit: I voted NO.

[MADem]

2. I support Obama, and I haven't read the TPP legislation.

I don't think it's much of a winner, though, if so many House Dems are getting in fist-shaking mode about it.

Curious poll question--kind of like asking "Do you like ice cream and beheading?"

[Whisp]

3. "Do you like ice cream and beheading?"

good one.

[MannyGoldstein]

5. Is ice cream fighting mightily for beheading?

If so, I'll need to rethink my love of the frozen confection.

[MADem]

6. Well, at the end of the day, it's not ice cream's call to make.

Last I checked, Congress passes laws.

About the only thing a POTUS can do is pull a veto; he can't pull votes out of his ass, particularly when there's solid push-back against a course of action from members of his own party.

I'm not the type of person who "hates" someone because they do something of which I normally disapprove. If that were the case, I'd be "hating" on my favorite new Senator, who voted to PREVENT the Pentagon from getting rid of a battlefield equipment manufacturing load of waste that they didn't want and do not need in this climate. She did it for pure pork barrel/all politics is local/save jobs making unnecessary crap reasons, and I can understand why she'd do that, even though it then makes it kind of difficult to lecture the Pentagon on wasteful expenditures after-the-fact.

The construct of the query was bogus. Do you "hate" your children when they do something of which you disapprove? Of course not.

[MannyGoldstein]

9. Treaties are negotiated and signed by which branch of our government?

And approved - not authored - by which other branch?

[MADem]

10. You don't go anywhere without Congress.

The word you seek is "ratified." And that would require 2/3 of the Senate to make that happen.

If we enter into this 'partnership,' a number of US laws will need to be changed, is what I understand, because -- if rumors about what are in these proposals are true -- our existing laws on things like copyright particulars and fair use might not match up with what is being proposed.

[sabrina 1]

12. Do you support the TPP? It's an easy question for Democrats. Not sure from your

responses what your position is. I do not nor do I support any Democrat supporting it. They are supposed to be the party of the people. THIS abomination will destroy even further, the working class in this country. No Democrat could possibly support that.

[MADem]

14. I answered that question in post 2.

I can't claim to "support" it--I have not "read" it. Have you?

I don't like what I'm hearing (151 D reps taking issue, for example), but I will wait to actually read the thing before I dust off my pitchfork and light my torch. I will continue to try to get more information about it, in particular, the SPECIFICS of the agreement that are being proposed, that will change existing US laws.

Perhaps you can be helpful in this regard, and tell me exactly how this agreement is going to destroy the working class in this country. Most of the gripes I have read about have to do with copyrights and regulation of the internet, not jobs.

I'll welcome some good linkage to study up on the topic. I'll bet I'm not the only one who is ready to learn more about this subject.

[MannyGoldstein]

23. So, just to be clear on your position

The White House is not championing TPP, and if it becomes law then it's solely Congress's fault?

[MADem]

25. No--that's not my "position" at all, Manny.

But I can always trust you to twist words and convolute positions--it's your stock in trade!

[antigop]

4. glad to see dailykos exposing the TPP. nt

[sarcasmo]

7. +1

[jazzimov]

8. I support Obama, but since the TPP is still being negotiated

I can't say whether I support it or not. I'll have to wait until it's actually written.

[Armstead]

11. When its actually written you won;t have a damn thing to say about it

It's being negotiated in secret and Obama and the other corporatists are trying to ram it through Congress.

So if you wait til its actually written it'll be too late. it will be set in stone.

[sabrina 1]

13. It's secret, even Congress, who ARE the ones supposed to write our laws, are not allowed

to see it. Foreign Corps can see it, but not our elected officials. Based on that alone, there is no question that it should be opposed. They now allow Foriegn Corps to write our laws, then pass them to Congress to sign. Never mind the TPP, how did this happen, that outsiders help write our laws, and Congress is not allowed a peek at them beforehand?

Thanks to Wikileaks however, we have finally seen some of the poison they are planning for Americans. And now we know why they worked so hard to keep it all so secret.

[Bluenorthwest]

16. So you oppose the 170 or so Congressional Democrats who are against Fast Track?

The sponsors are all Republican.

[snot]

15. K&R'd.

[unhappycamper]

17. Current pol results (including my NO! vote):

Do you support Obama and the TPP?
Yes!
7% 13 votes
No!
92% 152 votes

164 votes

[Jefferson23]

18. How the hell does anyone support a secret which is being used to keep lawmakers and

the public in the dark??

NO, I don't support Obama on this tactic, and I don't support anything I have read that has been leaked on TPP.

[FreeJoe]

19. I support trade

I think that international trade does far more good that harm for all trading countries, but I vigorously oppose the TPP. From what I've seen it is much more of a corporate protection pact than an attempt to lower trade barriers.

[bemildred]

20. 13/156 No - 92%. nt

[TBF]

21. "No" is at 91% --

I voted no. I'm particularly concerned about the internet and do not want to lose it (or have extreme controls).

It's our way to organize and we need it.

[Enthusiast]

22. I Voted against the TPP and the Commander in Chief cheerleader too.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

24. Neither of them.

[riqster]

26. I remember NAFTA.

Fucking hell no, I do not support TPP.

[B Calm]

27. There are few DU Globalist that will vote yes, but I

just cancelled at least one of them by voting NO!