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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOh you sillies... All this bickering over Obama
Oh you sillies... All this bickering over Obama, and all the pet names you have made up for him. You are ALL delusional. It's over folks. The Facists have one. The government is in bed with the corporations and there is nothing you can do about it. When Apple imbeds NSA software in the iPhone...what does that tell you? I suggest you get off this "It's HIS fault" mentality. Wake up.
Found in the comments over at RT. They do their best of making it sound important. They also have the link to the memo.
The Guardian comments are interesting.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Constitution to uphold. I wish more could have been accomplished but I also realize there has to cooperation in Congress and we know how that has worked out. Calling him names and blaming him for everything is what Rush and Hannity get paid to do, we do not need to work for those two.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Did not realize it would have been to their liking. Sometimes it should be the best qualified. BTW, if you look at the Supreme court some who was thought of as liberal was conservative and some appointed which was supposed to be conservative turned out liberal. Judges are supposed to make decisions according to laws rather than making decisions based on which side they may be.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)with this Congress. He just couldnt help himself except to appoint conservatives and in many cases actual Republicans.
Penny Pritzker is a Democrat but as conservative as Mit Romney.
If we elect another conservative Democrat in 2016, we can kiss the middle class goodbye.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Poor helpless Obama. Congress made him do it.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the conservative side. Looks like you choose the 1% side. Maybe you think the wealthy will trickle down on you.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Apparently, this needs to be said over and over again, because some people just don't seem to get the whole "three co-equal branches of government" and "A government of the people, by the people, and for the people", which is the House (a.k.a. the People's House), which is the "head" of Congress.
The president, although head of the Executive Branch, is not a dictator and s/he can't do much without Congress' approval. Even the president's vetoes are weaker than Congress' "vetoes". He can't override theirs, but they can certainly override his.
Government of the people, by the people, for the people.
So to blame this president for all our country's ails is merely displaying one's ignorance of how our government actually works.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I'm starting to think that's one of the major political maneuvers in our system of government.
http://www.mythfolklore.net/3043mythfolklore/reading/remus/pages/03.htm
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(19,768 posts)They answer to someone else. Our government must answer to someone else because the place is kind of falling apart and nobody seems to be effective at doing anything about it.
I don't trust any of the players here, including Obama.
BelgianMadCow
(5,379 posts)but the corporations aren't, so they're IN the structure all right. The same people own many companies, so their number is much smaller.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)they have since The Enlightenment started to make them uncomfortably visible.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Just something about him, you know...
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BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)jazzimov
(1,456 posts)WTF is that supposed to mean?
Perhaps you should have the Belgium docs look at that Mad Cow disease you have.....
Egnever
(21,506 posts)BelgianMadCow
(5,379 posts)which is always how I understood the original (italian) fascism. The boxes are ticked, have been since Bush and remain in effect. That's not acceptable, but YMMV
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)English has a lot of homophones and won and one are two.
tblue37
(65,341 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)HarveyDarkey
(9,077 posts)That's something completely different I'm guessing.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)people that didn't understand the meaning...
, indeed...
1000words
(7,051 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)He's always "the Perfect Lawyer" in his parsing of his speech while the Speech writers do soaring language to try to make him quotable for Posterity. So that the "WOW" factor of his clever Speech Writers overwhelms his obfuscating, waffling "Lawyer Speaks" where the Buck is always passed to Justice Department or "Other Agencies" and Congress to do the work that he doesn't want to commit to or be Held Accountable For!
I read the Transcript of the Speech. It was all over the place saying pretty much nothing that we could count on for reforms...because it's up to "those other guys."
I agree with your post and thanks for the Links.
I think this fits over here with Progressive Media Resources because the Guardian is a voice that we don't get much of over here in the US with our own faltering Media.
I have to get to those COMMENTS to read...but, it's bedtime here in US...Will do tomorrow! And thanks for the Crosspost!
Snips from Guardian:
The president also rejected a recommendation from his handpicked surveillance panel to place judicial oversight over the FBIs practice of issuing a nonjudicial subpoena known as a National Security Letter for the records of US businesses. But Obama proposed allowing businesses greater, but as yet unspecified, ability to discuss those letters, which are currently under a gag order.
Much of the substance of Obamas proposals remain undefined. The telephone companies have resisted having to store customer data for additional periods of time on behalf of the NSA, and any new third-party private storehouse of metadata would have to be created from scratch.
The lack of clarity places increasing pressure on Congress to ultimately resolve many of the complexities of surveillance creating effectively a new round of jockeying on Capitol Hill between privacy advocates and the NSAs allies, who fear losing what Obama described as a valuable tool for determining domestic connections to terrorism.
"Now it's up to the courts, Congress, and the public to ensure that real reform happens, including stopping all bulk surveillance not just telephone records collection, said Cindy Cohn, legal director of the Electronic Freedom Foundation.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)BelgianMadCow
(5,379 posts)and to both of you
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)nilesobek
(1,423 posts)of President Obama. Except it occurs to me that it was like Alice in Wonderland. He becomes President...he realizes the POTUS is not the real power in America, the intelligence agencies are!
When I realize what he is up against, the real powers that be, and possibly the terrible consequences of not taking the course he has to, then I feel he's doing a good job. He might not have ever been in the position of making sweeping changes to the machine Bush built, but has had to chip away at it.