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robertpaulsen

(8,632 posts)
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 12:45 PM Nov 2013

The Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), Operation Gladio and the Assassination of JFK

The Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), Operation Gladio and the Assassination of JFK

As I've written in my previous blog post in anticipation of the 50th anniversary of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, my understanding of the culprits ultimately responsible for conceiving this atrocity are the Military-Industrial Complex. But I am also convinced that the upper echelons of the CIA, particularly the right-wing cadre loyal to Allen Dulles bears responsibility as well for carrying out the crime. How can both scenarios be possible? District Attorney Jim Garrison, as quoted in Joan Mellen's account of his investigation of the JFK assassination A Farewell to Justice on page 318 explained it best: In implementing the assassination, the CIA was functioning as "the clandestine arm of the warfare interests in the United States government."

snip

So if the secret to shielding a conspiracy lies in compartmentalization, the key to unraveling it lies in finding the various compartments and the characters within those compartments with means, motive and opportunity to assassinate President Kennedy. There has been an enormous amount of research documenting the involvement of the CIA and the mafia in the assassination of JFK. So many of the strange actors in New Orleans during the summer of 1963 surrounding the strange activities at 544 Camp Street, the address stamped on Oswald's Fair Play for Cuba flyers, can be traced to either of those compartments. But there's another compartment I would like to explore that's even more obscure, but that ties in with the "military" part of the Military-Industrial Complex in an intelligence capacity: the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).

There is a cruel irony that the DIA might have played a part in the assassination of JFK along with the CIA. The DIA was created by President John F. Kennedy in the wake of the Bay of Pigs fiasco in 1961 to coordinate all US Military Intelligence activities. At this time, though JFK took personal responsibility for the Bay of Pigs, he fired Allen Dulles from his position of Director of Central Intelligence. Though Dulles publicly objected to the DIA, as author Dick Russell explains on page 142 of his book The Man Who Knew Too Much, the situation behind the scenes was that "the triumvirate that ran the DIA had stronger ties to Dulles - by then dismissed from the CIA - and to J. Edgar Hoover than they had to Kennedy's new team at the CIA."

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Two of the men Russell is referring to are Joseph Carroll and William Quinn. Director Joseph Carroll had been a leading assistant to Hoover during his employment at the FBI in the 1940's. While both of Carroll's top subordinates were ex-CIA working closely with Dulles, Russell focuses on Major General William "Buffalo Bill" Quinn. Quinn worked within an elite group which saw the careers of James Angleton and Richard Helms promoted. He served as Allen Dulles' personal courier on Nazi troop movements during World War II. While I found this fact ominous in light of Dulles' history with helping Nazis escape war crimes that I have posted about previously, Russell provides further confirmation of exactly how ominous this relationship was on page 142: "Quinn had also pushed forward an overseas spy network aimed at the Soviets and run by Hitler's ex-intelligence chief, Reinhard Gehlen." The Gehlen Org, which I've written about previously, was part of a NATO "stay-behind" paramilitary organization "born in the head of Allen Dulles" called Operation Gladio. More about Gladio later.


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http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-defense-intelligence-agency-dia.html
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The Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), Operation Gladio and the Assassination of JFK (Original Post) robertpaulsen Nov 2013 OP
Valuable and pertinent Holly_Hobby Nov 2013 #1
You're very welcome! robertpaulsen Nov 2013 #4
kick to read later nt grasswire Nov 2013 #2
I'm starting to think a little bit of LIHOP might help untangle the strands starroute Nov 2013 #3
Hey starroute! Good to see you! robertpaulsen Nov 2013 #5
And good to see you too starroute Nov 2013 #8
It's also a "purloined letter" kind of thing starroute Nov 2013 #15
That's probably why no one was successfully prosecuted for the Brabant Massacres. robertpaulsen Nov 2013 #16
Another "purloined letter" tied to the DIA from the 80s: BCCI. robertpaulsen Nov 2013 #19
It's statrting to look like the DIA is more important than generally recognized starroute Nov 2013 #21
Great catch! I'm going to have to take a closer look at the NGIA. robertpaulsen Nov 2013 #23
The NRO is now getting a certain amount of attention for this... starroute Dec 2013 #26
There's a lot to chew in that blog post hootinholler Nov 2013 #6
About three courses to chew on! robertpaulsen Nov 2013 #9
Has anyone asked Sibel hootinholler Nov 2013 #12
Sorry it took so long to get back to you, hootinholler. That's a great question! robertpaulsen Nov 2013 #18
Better be careful Robbins Nov 2013 #7
I'm familiar with that! robertpaulsen Nov 2013 #10
It's good to see you here, thank you for posting this. scarletwoman Nov 2013 #11
Thank you, scarletwoman! robertpaulsen Nov 2013 #13
Masters of cover up RobertEarl Nov 2013 #14
K&R n/t JohnyCanuck Nov 2013 #17
K&R + some other people (Warren Commission member John J. McCloy for instance) and fascist links bobthedrummer Nov 2013 #20
Thanks Bob! robertpaulsen Nov 2013 #22
That might explain why J. Edgar Hoover also informed the DIA DrDebug Nov 2013 #24
Nice catch! I remember now that was covered in detail in Family of Secrets. robertpaulsen Dec 2013 #25

starroute

(12,977 posts)
3. I'm starting to think a little bit of LIHOP might help untangle the strands
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 02:25 PM
Nov 2013

Aside from whodunit, there's the question of who knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it. Or who at the very least knew there were bad actors at work and turned a blind eye.

If you gin up enough hatred against someone, it encourages plotters -- not to mention the occasional lone nut. And if you ignore enough plots, one of them is likely to get through eventually -- and you can truthfully say you had nothing to do with it and didn't even know about it.

robertpaulsen

(8,632 posts)
5. Hey starroute! Good to see you!
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 02:30 PM
Nov 2013

A fellow Plame Thread alumni!

I think you've hit on a definite factor in how "incompetence" plays out in the trickster world of Plausible Deniability. Like the final scene in Three Days of the Condor where Robert Redford asks Cliff Robertson if they have plans to invade the Middle East.

"NO."

"Absolutely not."

"We have games."

starroute

(12,977 posts)
8. And good to see you too
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 04:27 PM
Nov 2013

I can understand why DU might want to keep the craziness under control -- but I do miss the days when things around here were a lot more freewheeling.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
15. It's also a "purloined letter" kind of thing
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 12:10 PM
Nov 2013

The more plots that are going on at once, the easier it is to hide another one in plain sight. And also the easier it is to provide false leads after the fact.

I have no doubt that any number of factions had their own games going in 1963. The Mafia, the Cubans, the old-line Texas conservatives and oil interests. Many of them hated Kennedy and were looking for some way to undercut him. But it doesn't mean that any of them were working together and/or involved in the assassination.

That's really the problem with playing connect-the-dots. It works when there aren't many dots and they stand out against an essentially blank background. But trying to pick out just a few dots against a very noisy background is like a color-blind person trying to see the hidden numbers in the eye tests. There's just no way to tell if you've got the pattern right.

robertpaulsen

(8,632 posts)
16. That's probably why no one was successfully prosecuted for the Brabant Massacres.
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 12:49 AM
Nov 2013

You know when they really screw up, when hubris blinds them to reality. They really thought killing random innocents in supermarkets would lead to a transfer of power in government. Otherwise they would have set up an effective patsy. Paul Latinus was probably the last person to select for being a patsy. Since then, there's been scarcely a whisper of DIA involvement in these type of covert operations.

robertpaulsen

(8,632 posts)
19. Another "purloined letter" tied to the DIA from the 80s: BCCI.
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 02:38 PM
Nov 2013

I thought you might find this tidbit intriguing that Wombaticus Rex from Rigorous Intution brought to my attention. From The Outlaw Bank page 97:

The source said he had called as a personal favor to Bob Morgenthau. It became so important to keep his identity secret that he was referred to among the five people at Time who actually knew who he was as "Famous Name."

Famous Name delivered in detail the confirmation that the CIA had used BCCI extensively, especially in connection with covert US operations in Central America. He said that, even before Oliver North had set up his network for making illegal payments to the Contras, the National Security Council -- an arm of the White House -- was using BCCI to channel money through them to Saudi Arabia. He also confirmed what Beaty and Gwynne had thought to be one of the more fantastic elements to Sami's story, that the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) had been involved in BCCI's covert operations. He told Beaty flatly that the DIA maintained a slush fund (ie, completely off the official books) with BCCI to finance secret operations.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
21. It's statrting to look like the DIA is more important than generally recognized
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 04:08 PM
Nov 2013

You don't hear about them doing cowboy stunts like the CIA or spying on everyone like the NSA. But they do seem to be right in the middle of a lot of spook stuff.

And here's something else that caught my eye the other day -- a paragraph buried near the bottom of a Reuters story on Edward Snowden: "Sources familiar with unpublished material Snowden downloaded said it also contains information about the CIA - possibly including personnel names - as well as other U.S. spy agencies such as the National Reconnaissance Office and National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, which operate U.S. image-producing satellites and analyze their data." (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/25/us-usa-security-doomsday-idUSBRE9AO0Y120131125)

The NGIA, in particular, is a name that keeps coming up, though without ever drawing attention to itself. For example, General James Clapper was DIA director in 1991-95, then spent several years as executive director of military intelligence for Booz Allen Hamilton before being appointed as as director of the National Imagery and Mapping Agency, soon renamed the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency. In 2007, he became the first Director of Defense Intelligence and since 2010 he's been the Director of National Intelligence.

In addition, Admiral William Studeman was NSA director in 1988-92, later a CIA deputy director and at times acting director, a Northrup Grumman vice president, and more recently a member of the NGIA advisory board. And the CIA's venture capital fund, In-Q-Tel, is also described as getting its funding from the CIA, the DIA, the FBI, and the NGIA.

It nags at me when something as seemingly obscure as the NGIA keeps popping up as one among equals in company with the CIA, the DIA, and the DNI. It suggests there's something more high-powered going on there than anybody is talking about and it isn't just a bunch of geeks analyzing spy satellite data.

Perhaps that's one reason why the PTB are so worried about all the other shoes Snowden has yet to drop.

robertpaulsen

(8,632 posts)
23. Great catch! I'm going to have to take a closer look at the NGIA.
Thu Nov 28, 2013, 03:18 PM
Nov 2013

It sounds like they do the kind of work on a federal level that used to be handled in the 60s through the military and through private operators like Jagger-Chiles-Stovall, where Lee Harvey Oswald worked.

Thanks for pointing out how Clapper used to DIA director! Interesting how that was during the time period the AARB was trying to open up the books on the JFK assassination. Wonder if he had any power of persuasion where that is concerned.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
12. Has anyone asked Sibel
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 08:47 PM
Nov 2013

Why Turkey? It just seems an odd ball place for an epicenter. It's not known for stability, but then again maybe it's just location and corruptibility.

I did enjoy the read! I especially enjoy things I know being stitched together in new ways along with the spice of new information.

robertpaulsen

(8,632 posts)
18. Sorry it took so long to get back to you, hootinholler. That's a great question!
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 11:22 AM
Nov 2013

My understanding as Sibel Edmonds explained in Part One and Part Four of her interview series with James Corbett on the transition from Operation Gladio extreme right-wing Cold War operatives to Gladio B extreme Islamic "War on Terra" operatives consists of three basic reasons:

1) Location: Turkey is one of the few Islamic (not Sharia law, just in a cultural sense) countries in NATO.

2) Narcotics: Turkey is still heavy into opium production; narcotics finance a lot of black ops. Location also factors in this aspect of the game as far as ease of transportation is concerned.

3) Invisibility: The FBI, according to Sibel Edmonds, keep tabs on all countries (their diplomatic arms) through monitoring (i.e. wiretapping) except four. These four countries are 1) Turkey 2) Azerbaijan 3) United Kingdom and 4) Belgium, the seat of NATO.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
7. Better be careful
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 04:05 PM
Nov 2013

The pro WC,Pro LN people may hijack this and attack you since there Is no evidance of conspiracy and all evedence point to oswald shooting kennedy for no reason.

Of course I agree with you but have been shocked by some here willing to accept what MSM tells them.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
11. It's good to see you here, thank you for posting this.
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 08:26 PM
Nov 2013

My apologies that I'm just home from work and too wiped out right now to go read the rest of your piece. But I've bookmarked this so I can follow the link to your blog later.

In the meantime, I just wanted to say "Hi", and thanks.

sw

robertpaulsen

(8,632 posts)
13. Thank you, scarletwoman!
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 02:08 AM
Nov 2013

Wow, it feels like a Plame Threads reunion here!

No need to apologize, I appreciate the bookmarking. Take care!

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
14. Masters of cover up
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 02:51 AM
Nov 2013

People say they have seen no evidence of this that or the other.

Well, duh! The masters of coverup make sure you'd never easily find evidence of anything they did not want you to see.

And they do kill people that expose their works; That get too close. It is their MO.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
20. K&R + some other people (Warren Commission member John J. McCloy for instance) and fascist links
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 03:37 PM
Nov 2013

to consider.

NYT Releases Unredacted Report on "U.S Aid for Ex-Nazis" (posted by Jeff Kaye Fire Dog Lake 11-13)
http://my.firedoglake.com/valtin/tag/operation-gladio

UAE and BCCI>>> (Stephanie thread started 2-22-06)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x490176

DrDebug

(3,847 posts)
24. That might explain why J. Edgar Hoover also informed the DIA
Thu Nov 28, 2013, 04:19 PM
Nov 2013

when the invasion of Cuba was definitely called off.

Edwina of course decided to appoint himself as the chief investigator, but on the next morning after the assassination, he already expressed severe doubts about the brilliant CIA cover story and its ability to convict Lee Harvey Oswald as the murderer of JFK (1) That was probably the reason why Lee had to die as well because a "not guilty," would have been a disaster.

Anyway Edwina also told a certain George Bush of the CIA that the invasion of Cuba was no longer on either and ... a person from the DIA. And that is a point which has always been overlooked.

Thanks for looking at that often neglected angle. Recommended BTW

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Our <informer> advised that the Department of State feels some misguided anti-Castro group might capitalize on the present situation and undertake an unauthorized raid against Cuba, believing that the assassination of President John F. Kennedy might herald a change in U.S. policy <snip>

Our sources know of no such plans <snip>

The substance of the foregoing information was orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency and Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency.
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1: Telephone conversation between JEH and LBJ on the morning after. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=4777&page=2

robertpaulsen

(8,632 posts)
25. Nice catch! I remember now that was covered in detail in Family of Secrets.
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 03:48 PM
Dec 2013

Russ Baker mentioned the flimsy cover story the CIA had for this revelation in Family of Secrets on page 10:

McBride's revelations appeared in the July 16, 1988, issue of the liberal magazine The Nation, under the headline, "The Man Who Wasn't There, 'George Bush,' C.I.A. Operative." Shortly thereafter, Central Intelligence Agency spokeswoman Sharron Basso told the Associated Press that the CIA believed that "the record should be clarified." She said that the FBI document "apparently" referred to a George William Bush who had worked in 1963 on the night shift at the Langley, Virginia, headquarters, and that "would have been the appropriate place to have received such an FBI report." George William Bush, she said, had left the CIA in 1964 to join the Defense Intelligence Agency.


Baker mentions further revelations of the DIA recipient on page 11:

Several years later, in 1991, former Texas Observer editor David Armstrong would track down the other person listed in the Hoover memo, Captain William Edwards. Edwards would confirm that he had been on duty at the Defense Intelligence Agency the day in question. He said he did not remember this briefing, but that he found the memo plausible in reference to a briefing he might have received over the phone while at his desk. While he said he had no idea who the George Bush was who was also briefed, Edwards's rank and experience was certainly far above that of night clerk George William Bush.


What I really want to know is who the other person is in the "triumvirate" of DIA leaders including Carroll and Quinn that Dick Russell refers to in The Man Who Knew Too Much. Russell says that person also had a history with and was loyal to Allen Dulles. Could it be Edwards? Probably not, but it's unfortunate so little of DIA historical specifics is on the record.

Thanks for this contribution, DrDebug! There certainly continues to be a wide web of obfuscation where the JFK assassination is concerned.
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