Sun Nov 17, 2013, 10:48 AM

cali (114,904 posts)

The Rising Tide of Populism in the Dem Party Spells Trouble for Hillary

Think about these points for a moment:

The majority of voters under thirty view socialism more favorably than capitalism.

Bill de Blasio beat Christine Quinn. A year ago, all the pundits would have scoffed at that happening.

Clinton is firmly anchored to corporate interests- from the banksters to Monsanto

The democratic base is angry about corporate influence and control

The Clinton Foundation will be an issue

The TPP: She's been a major force in crafting this piece of shit

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101667554

The New Republic’s Alec MacGillis Sunday night opened what are likely to be three years of close public scrutiny of the very private, elite, and lucrative shadow of the Clinton foundation — and specifically, the question of what the foundation’s big donors got in exchange for their hundreds of thousands of dollars in contributions. MacGillis’ article is a profile of the architect of what he describes as the “transactionalism” at the heart of Clinton-land, his former aide Doug Band, and his role in shaping a singular charitable enterprise. Band maintained, simultaneously, an “executive consulting” firm called Teneo, whose dealings are totally opaque, aside from having let Band spend $8.8 million on an Upper East Side apartment.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/hillary-clintons-foundation-problem

Polling indicates the Democratic Party is becoming more populist and would more readily embrace someone such as Warren, a prodigious fundraiser in the vein of Obama. Gallup said it found the percentage of Democrats holding "very negative" views of the banking industry rose sharply since 2007, while the percentage of those with positive views fell from 51 percent to 31 percent. The percentage of Democrats who were unhappy with the "size and influence of major corporations" rose from 51 percent to a near stratospheric 79 percent from 2001 to 2011.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/11/17/Politics-2016-Is-there-a-White-House-bid-for-Sen-Elizabeth-Warren/UPI-15981384682460/#ixzz2kugsnTJ4

Social Security is going to be one of the top issues the primaries and election. Clinton has been less than clear about her position on Social Security.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2007/10/post-148.html

I think Hillary is out of step with majority dem sentiment on any number of top issues. Iraq was lethal to her 2008 run. this time around, should she run, corporations and her numerous ties to them, will be a big problem for her.

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The Rising Tide of Populism in the Dem Party Spells Trouble for Hillary (Original post)	cali	Nov 2013	OP
It's encouraging to see the national mood shifting to the left.	Laelth	Nov 2013	#1
I think Clinton's plan is pretty solid and pretty obvious	cali	Nov 2013	#2
If she does win the nomination	BlueToTheBone	Nov 2013	#110
I'll vote for her- puking all the way	cali	Nov 2013	#117
...	BlueToTheBone	Nov 2013	#120
I'm a woman, but I certainly won't support her in the primaries	cali	Nov 2013	#123
Actually, I've been here	BlueToTheBone	Nov 2013	#129
Yes, I'm deeply angry over the corporate takeover of the party. And I'm not the only one	cali	Nov 2013	#131
Sure her ties trouble me.	BlueToTheBone	Nov 2013	#221
Frankly I don't care whether the candidate is a man or a woman. So long as they have a RECORD,	sabrina 1	Nov 2013	#169
+1. n/t	Laelth	Nov 2013	#223
YES! As you say!	RKP5637	Nov 2013	#227
"you seem to be a shit stirrer"	Veilex	Nov 2013	#136
No.	treestar	Nov 2013	#144
That's Democracy for you	newthinking	Nov 2013	#195
This seems like an odd post to me.	SoLeftIAmRight	Nov 2013	#209
Bill DeBlasio LOVES HRC--he ran her Senate campaign.	MADem	Nov 2013	#252
Oh, please. People on the left have been disturbed by Clinton's corporatism	cali	Nov 2013	#268
Well, gee, when you go to the "Ready for Hillary" website, the first face you see is DeBlasio's.	MADem	Nov 2013	#271
Most DUers certainly find my argument convincing	cali	Nov 2013	#274
Ooooooooh--a gratuitous slam! A personal insult! Didn't take you long, did it? nt	MADem	Nov 2013	#275
I like sand.	juajen	Nov 2013	#277
I've posted numerous links to her enmeshment with corporate interests	cali	Nov 2013	#280
I think what BOG types have firmly planted is …	1StrongBlackMan	Nov 2013	#302
How I wish …	1StrongBlackMan	Nov 2013	#301
+1	MADem	Nov 2013	#303
I think ...	1StrongBlackMan	Nov 2013	#304
Well, if people have ill will, they'll show it soon enough.	MADem	Nov 2013	#306
Party before people heh?	dotymed	Nov 2013	#263
I want a candidate who will win.	BlueToTheBone	Nov 2013	#281
Hello.I'm Oldenufff,and I am a shit stirrer...	Oldenuff	Nov 2013	#279
Hey Oldenuff	BlueToTheBone	Nov 2013	#285
If Elizabeth Warren is her VP, that would soften the blow - she'd be next in line	AAO	Nov 2013	#241
In 2016 Warren will be 67; Hillary C.will be 69; after 2 terms, W=75; HC = 77.	Divernan	Nov 2013	#249
I doubt that will happen.	MADem	Nov 2013	#253
No more voting for candidates whose "blows" need to be softened.	woo me with science	Nov 2013	#308
I hope Warren runs against HRC as a Democrat - I'll vote for her.	AAO	Nov 2013	#309
dear cali	q.kobi	Nov 2013	#264
dear q.kobi: I have no idea what you are attempting to say.	cali	Nov 2013	#272
welcome to DU	gopiscrap	Nov 2013	#292
You seem to forget where you are	tavalon	Nov 2013	#161
blue to the bone, don't ask that question. you assume that people won't vote for the nom.	roguevalley	Nov 2013	#211
From talking to dems I know, they will not vote for her if she receives the nomination. They will	sabrina 1	Nov 2013	#233
I'm with you. Hillary spells trouble for Hillary. We don't need Rethug lite.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Nov 2013	#269
I thikn now is the time for us to say "No we will not support her as the nominee for she is too	cui bono	Nov 2013	#247
I appreciate you posting	blue14u	Nov 2013	#179
Is this still up to us?	mdbl	Nov 2013	#260
mdbl, I understand what	blue14u	Nov 2013	#293
Ok, I'll try harder...	mdbl	Nov 2013	#307
I too hope that is the case.. We vote, we try, to bring change and	blue14u	Nov 2013	#310
When the first Iraq war made Bush I undefeatable, all the	tblue37	Nov 2013	#180
Now, Julian Castro might have a chance	BlueToTheBone	Nov 2013	#216
Did you hear Howard Dean's remarks yesterday?	2banon	Nov 2013	#194
He ought to know...he's a smart man!	Auntie Bush	Nov 2013	#240
He, and a million other people who have already donated to	MADem	Nov 2013	#254
Yeah, that is unfortunate	2banon	Nov 2013	#284
I disagree entirely with every single thing you've said.	MADem	Nov 2013	#290
Of course you disagree with me.	2banon	Nov 2013	#291
Listen to you--so very hard at work with your nasty little label maker!	MADem	Nov 2013	#305
Good	billhicks76	Nov 2013	#248
Dear Noble one	q.kobi	Nov 2013	#265
Welcome to DU.	Laelth	Nov 2013	#267
Dear q.kobi ~ Hello	In_The_Wind	Nov 2013	#273
Premise being Hillary can NOT change policies for the best... Hillary isn't Pol Pot	uponit7771	Nov 2013	#3
Premise being that her history is one that reveals her close ties to corporate interests	cali	Nov 2013	#4
Keyword: History, I'm going to wait and see what her plans are... I don't hate Hillary, I think she'	uponit7771	Nov 2013	#7
Fair enough. What would she have to do to earn your trust?	cali	Nov 2013	#10
try	uponit7771	Nov 2013	#38
Well for some just say the right words.	zeemike	Nov 2013	#47
No doubt.	Wilms	Nov 2013	#50
Forensic psychologiy's oldest and firmest rule:	Jackpine Radical	Nov 2013	#20
Again, people can change... after seeing Hillary in SOS role I'm willing to give her a chance	uponit7771	Nov 2013	#41
Just curious but	zeemike	Nov 2013	#52
try	uponit7771	Nov 2013	#64
"Try", frankly isn't good enough.	Veilex	Nov 2013	#124
She was a primary force in crafting and backing the TPP	cali	Nov 2013	#132
If true, then I'm seriously concerned about that.	Veilex	Nov 2013	#139
For who?	uponit7771	Nov 2013	#148
for anyone attempting to understand where you're coming from.	cali	Nov 2013	#149
Good enough for me and explains a lot, all she has to do is try and make every attempt to stay	uponit7771	Nov 2013	#151
Glib responses are an admission that you don't have an answer. /nt	Marr	Nov 2013	#162
Labeling what's good enough for me is an indicative of purism, I'm not a purist. I'm not going	uponit7771	Nov 2013	#191
"Go, adequate!"	Marr	Nov 2013	#229
Yes, I wish life was full of perfect choice, it's not. On top of all this it sounds like the people	uponit7771	Nov 2013	#238
What every SOS does...	awoke_in_2003	Nov 2013	#176
What changes have you seen in Hillary?	Jackpine Radical	Nov 2013	#53
Her role as SoS was more conservative than liberal	cali	Nov 2013	#57
Yes.	Jackpine Radical	Nov 2013	#63
Not tippers for me, FDR would have been hated if you think TPP is bad. What she did as SOS	uponit7771	Nov 2013	#65
that's just topsy turvy. the exact opposite of the preponderance of the evidence	cali	Nov 2013	#71
This is false, FDR had almost 4 terms as president and you think he didn't do ONE THING that	uponit7771	Nov 2013	#150
Comment about FDR is a strawman...	Veilex	Nov 2013	#214
Exactly.	treestar	Nov 2013	#142
The purist here would throw her out the second she doesn't send every CEO to gitmo save COSCOs	uponit7771	Nov 2013	#152
Yes, and the non-worry about the congress of 2017	treestar	Nov 2013	#156
Sigh. More codswallop. I'm not even an Elizabeth Warren for President supporter	cali	Nov 2013	#159
what codswallop. One only hopes that you don't actually believe such nonsense.	cali	Nov 2013	#158
My problem with these arguments	Marr	Nov 2013	#165
it is like that game at the fair where you hit a gopher and another pops up	cali	Nov 2013	#168
Hillarys "extent" you think goes TOO far & others dont..an authoritarian or purist subjects others	uponit7771	Nov 2013	#192
I'm hardly a purist. I don't expect that any candidate won't have some corporate	cali	Nov 2013	#193
I'm a real dem and I accept the ties she has. I'm not going to let others define "real dem" for me..	uponit7771	Nov 2013	#236
Supporters of Hillary could help her immensely by not referring to those who do not, as 'purists',	sabrina 1	Nov 2013	#174
If she's trying to earn our trust	Cirque du So-What	Nov 2013	#42
Given her sucking up to corporate $...	HooptieWagon	Nov 2013	#127
I see a woman who is and can be flexible. Who's not stupid. Who may well see the trends that are	calimary	Nov 2013	#137
Well stated. Wish it was an OP. That last sentence. Thanks from I'm guessing quite a few of us.	libdem4life	Nov 2013	#160
BUT brilliance in the servicee of values and policies I despise is even worse	tblue37	Nov 2013	#181
Understood. Hey, I'm one of the legions for whom the Iraq War vote was a nonstarter.	calimary	Nov 2013	#244
Would you have written this about a male candidate?	karynnj	Nov 2013	#210
If it was dan quayle, uh, forgive me but - "you betcha"!	calimary	Nov 2013	#243
I believe the premise is that Hillary wouldn't WANT to change the policies for the best.	djean111	Nov 2013	#5
We'll see, I don't see tons of corporatism about her now and even Warren couldn't be a purist in ...	uponit7771	Nov 2013	#8
I do	cali	Nov 2013	#11
I have a higher bar for a corporatist than those issue or even a couple. IMHO a person would have to	uponit7771	Nov 2013	#44
Clinton is every bit as much the corporatist as bush was- maybe more so	cali	Nov 2013	#48
Again, out of Clinton I don't see the same "fuck government, it sucks" sentiment word or deed	uponit7771	Nov 2013	#51
But that's not corporatism	Proud Public Servant	Nov 2013	#84
good post. thank you.	cali	Nov 2013	#101
+1000. Agreed. n/t	GoneFishin	Nov 2013	#111
I would like to submit this video as Exhibit 1:	bvar22	Nov 2013	#143
bvar22, thank you again!!	blue14u	Nov 2013	#186
+1	chknltl	Nov 2013	#145
There's no need to fear such a possibility	DissidentVoice	Nov 2013	#220
FDR has actions that fit in that exact definition, he's a corporatist too? The purist would say yes	uponit7771	Nov 2013	#154
Back to the FDR strawman...	Veilex	Nov 2013	#217
False on it's face and a valid comparison seeing FDR would've surpassed Hillary in corporate	uponit7771	Nov 2013	#237
You're the only one making the comparison... the topic has nothing..	Veilex	Nov 2013	#282
Irrelevant who is making the comparison, the fact is HRC shouldn't be held to a higher bar than..	uponit7771	Nov 2013	#283
Thats a bit naive...	Veilex	Nov 2013	#286
"Times change" - same can be said about HRC no? tia	uponit7771	Nov 2013	#287
Times do change... long practiced habits and behaviors rarely do.	Veilex	Nov 2013	#288
"rarely do." ... good we agree, RARELY doesn't mean impossible and the reason she deserves	uponit7771	Nov 2013	#289
"good we agree" Hardly...	Veilex	Nov 2013	#296
I think my argument is pretty logical, don't judge Hillary over her tenure by a higher standard than	uponit7771	Nov 2013	#297
If that is what your notion of logic is, then we'll have to agree to disagree.	Veilex	Nov 2013	#298
Ad homs response are an indicator of a poor position	uponit7771	Nov 2013	#299
Your absolutely right...	Veilex	Nov 2013	#300
Yep... I don't see	blue14u	Nov 2013	#185
Awesome response! EOM	Veilex	Nov 2013	#215
Hillary helped construct the TPP, and there are links elsewhere on DU for information	djean111	Nov 2013	#12
Hillary Clinton's Business Legacy at State Department (leading part in drafting TPP)	antigop	Nov 2013	#115
Isn't Just Her	liberalmike27	Nov 2013	#40
The actual premise is that Hillary Clinton is unable to understand polling and	grantcart	Nov 2013	#235
Think of Hillary's sacrifice, voting for the Iraq war in order to maintain her electability	Fumesucker	Nov 2013	#6
I'd like to see people here who support her address the points in the	cali	Nov 2013	#9
The Iraq war will be an issue if Hillary keeps claiming this	Whisp	Nov 2013	#96
Conscience?	Jackpine Radical	Nov 2013	#22
Imagine the horror of having to vote for war in 2003 in order to be able to save us in 2016?	Fumesucker	Nov 2013	#46
I initially believed her vote for Iraq War was to maintain electability	magical thyme	Nov 2013	#114
All that sublimated rage at Bill has to be directed somewhere.	Divernan	Nov 2013	#250
We need Clinton like we need Bush. nt	valerief	Nov 2013	#13
Hillary and The Carlyle Group. Hillary and Goldman Sachs. Hillary the Corporate Crony	cali	Nov 2013	#14
+1	jsr	Nov 2013	#24
Hill and MallWart	Jackpine Radical	Nov 2013	#25
yep. really the list of her corporate ties is impressively long	cali	Nov 2013	#30
Not to mention HRC's	blue14u	Nov 2013	#187
It's nice to see that the rank and file are coming around.	mattclearing	Nov 2013	#15
I tend to agree. DU was to the left of mainstream dems for a long time	cali	Nov 2013	#27
I think a lot of conservatism was masked by the fact we had a common enemy in Bush.	Jackpine Radical	Nov 2013	#34
That makes sense. Never underestimate the pull of pure partisanshit as well	cali	Nov 2013	#35
I am almost sure of it.	zeemike	Nov 2013	#70
Lots of true leftists have moved on from this place	warrant46	Nov 2013	#126
Can I suggest that Bill de Blasio winning in NYC does not scale up to a national election?	brooklynite	Nov 2013	#16
perhaps. perhaps not.	cali	Nov 2013	#18
But new-blood Dems are mounting credible campaigns everywhere.	Jackpine Radical	Nov 2013	#36
Yes Yes Yes... we are!!!	blue14u	Nov 2013	#188
Yesterday I read a socialist won a city council position in some city in Washington, I believe.	CrispyQ	Nov 2013	#39
I hate to expose myself to potential ridicule by making a whole OP about it, but	Jackpine Radical	Nov 2013	#59
I'll rec not ridicule any op you write about this. please do	cali	Nov 2013	#75
I'll be on the lookout for that OP as well	BelgianMadCow	Nov 2013	#200
Those in Seattle who want to show they support this change, there's a rally at 2:30 PM today...	cascadiance	Nov 2013	#175
Hillary is not the only one out of step with majority Dem sentiment...	L0oniX	Nov 2013	#17
There are a lot of conservadems posting here but hopefully they aren't the majority	cali	Nov 2013	#19
Lets face it: consrvative Dems cross party lines easier than do liberal GOP. Nixon and Reagan .....	marble falls	Nov 2013	#60
Hillary is the very face of the corporate Dems.	LuvNewcastle	Nov 2013	#21
I am afraid a populist candidate might split the ticket ... It's too early to see how things could	YOHABLO	Nov 2013	#222
This is the heart of the matter	fadedrose	Nov 2013	#23
2 main factors in the ratings--	Jackpine Radical	Nov 2013	#31
When you look at it from raw ambition. 2004 would have been the best time for HC to pounce....	WCGreen	Nov 2013	#26
I completely agree. I think Hillary missed her window of opportunity back then.	cali	Nov 2013	#28
I hope so. n/t	PowerToThePeople	Nov 2013	#29
from your lips to the goddess's ears (n/t)	bread_and_roses	Nov 2013	#32
I must say I'm a bit concerned-	ruffburr	Nov 2013	#32
Well, when you operate from a position of fear	WowSeriously	Nov 2013	#45
Wow Seriously-	ruffburr	Nov 2013	#61
There are lots of majority attractive messages. US jobs, living wages, affordable housing are a few.	L0oniX	Nov 2013	#69
Absolutely-	ruffburr	Nov 2013	#73
Obama did	Oilwellian	Nov 2013	#86
I think it time we stop pre settling for lesser candidates.	WowSeriously	Nov 2013	#138
Frankly, I think	ProSense	Nov 2013	#37
No surprise there	stupidicus	Nov 2013	#43
many Americans don't know that Hillary is not a left-wing populist. Even many Democrats - even those	Douglas Carpenter	Nov 2013	#49
I think the mask is slipping and we can help	cali	Nov 2013	#56
Might be a good idea to send Sanders a few bucks	fadedrose	Nov 2013	#203
Let's not forget this nugget from her past: Her connection with The Fellowship	cali	Nov 2013	#54
Hillary No - DLC No - Progressives Yes - Warren 2016	cantbeserious	Nov 2013	#55
k&r Strong post! I hope you're right and I think you are.	marble falls	Nov 2013	#58
thank you! and love your slogan.	cali	Nov 2013	#76
I love how it becomes personal	hfojvt	Nov 2013	#62
how on earth is that "personal" ? I don't even get the point of your post	cali	Nov 2013	#77
How is "trouble for Hillary" NOT personal?	hfojvt	Nov 2013	#90
Sorry, I think your post is totally nonsensical	cali	Nov 2013	#99
still personal, eh?	hfojvt	Nov 2013	#134
94 %?? But that's Gallup, yes?	MADem	Nov 2013	#255
2014 will be a strong deciding factor on which brand of Dem the people want.	gtar100	Nov 2013	#66
It may well be an indicator of where dems are heading	cali	Nov 2013	#78
Biggest Trouble For Hillary Is Her Campaign	hollowdweller	Nov 2013	#67
I think Hillary has a tone deaf quality to her	cali	Nov 2013	#79
Both Hillary and her campaign staff believed in her 'inevitability' back then, too.	Ikonoklast	Nov 2013	#184
In order to defeat Hillary, Dems will vote for Ted Cruz and Chris Christie.	ZRT2209	Nov 2013	#68
riiight. because that's the only alternative. If we don't nominate conservaHillary	cali	Nov 2013	#72
are you assuming Hillary will win the primaries?	magical thyme	Nov 2013	#122
I don't get why conservative dems don't just admit that that's what they are	cali	Nov 2013	#74
Can you explain why Howard Dean supports her?	ProSense	Nov 2013	#80
Well, Dean wasn't particularly progressive when he was Governor of Vermont	cali	Nov 2013	#82
Because Warren isn't running. She has said so over and over.	MADem	Nov 2013	#256
Post removed	Post removed	Nov 2013	#81
lol. yeah, people to the LEFT of Hillary are "repukes".	cali	Nov 2013	#85
Is this a joke?	polichick	Nov 2013	#89
I will support the left-most candidate, whomever that ends up being. nt	silvershadow	Nov 2013	#83
Hillary Clinton would make a great	adieu	Nov 2013	#87
She would make an even better former politician.	bvar22	Nov 2013	#146
Yes she would. We don't need dynasties for one thing, particularly when they are right leaning and	sabrina 1	Nov 2013	#234
Cali: Please post a link proving this sentence from your post:	northoftheborder	Nov 2013	#88
Here is a short excerpt of Hill's remarks in Vietnam from the State Dept website--	Jackpine Radical	Nov 2013	#93
And this…	Jackpine Radical	Nov 2013	#100
people who don't want to believe that Hillary is what she is-	cali	Nov 2013	#118
She was the Senator from India	LongTomH	Nov 2013	#153
here:	cali	Nov 2013	#95
The neoliberals and Wall Street mob are calling the shots in the Democratic Party.	duffyduff	Nov 2013	#91
Far more than "compromised" I think...	polichick	Nov 2013	#92
I think that the dem base can wrest that away. I agree with Jackpine	cali	Nov 2013	#112
Ironically Ms. Clinton will have the full force of Citizens United behind her.	rhett o rick	Nov 2013	#94
I don't believe that's inevitable- despite CU	cali	Nov 2013	#97
To think she'd be less corporatist after becoming president ... I can't...this map boggles.	ancianita	Nov 2013	#98
Shocker: Hill is pro-fracking	cali	Nov 2013	#102
facepalm	SHRED	Nov 2013	#105
she's the ultimate corporate shill. I'll give her this: She's damn good at it.	cali	Nov 2013	#106
not good enough to fool me	SHRED	Nov 2013	#107
no. thankfully. more and more dems are seeing the corporate influence on the	cali	Nov 2013	#109
Sometimes I wonder if this DU is interested in...	SHRED	Nov 2013	#113
there's an awful lot of mindless partisanship here	cali	Nov 2013	#116
true	SHRED	Nov 2013	#119
People seem to confuse political parties with sports teams.	Jackpine Radical	Nov 2013	#157
heh, a Milloy endorsement (but I thought gender equality was "woo" to those shills...)	MisterP	Nov 2013	#295
Hillary lost all ready	haydukelives	Nov 2013	#103
We are sick of the old DLC bullshit	SHRED	Nov 2013	#104
laws written by the Heritage Foundation and Big Insurance...	MisterP	Nov 2013	#294
I don't want her to be President	90-percent	Nov 2013	#108
What is her position	GP6971	Nov 2013	#121
She's waffled all over the place. you can't pin her down	cali	Nov 2013	#125
Well........	GP6971	Nov 2013	#128
Hillary supporter are attacking liberals	4dsc	Nov 2013	#130
there will be more and more of them	cali	Nov 2013	#133
Yes, it will get extremely snarky	newthinking	Nov 2013	#199
Hillary Schmillery	wreq	Nov 2013	#135
Welcome to DU. What if she is the Dem candidate, who would you vote/campaign for?	uppityperson	Nov 2013	#140
lol.	cali	Nov 2013	#141
welcome to DU	gopiscrap	Nov 2013	#197
Errrrrr....Howard Dean has endorsed Hillary Clinton.	MADem	Nov 2013	#257
I, For One Would LOVE To See This Happen!	ChiciB1	Nov 2013	#147
The rising disgust with Politics-as-usual spells trouble for Hillary.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Nov 2013	#155
If Dennis Kucinich gives up his FOX gig he can run again/nt	DemocratSinceBirth	Nov 2013	#163
another silly non-response to the OP. Now tell me why Hillary is a good candidate	cali	Nov 2013	#164
Don't forget her role in the NATO invasion of Libya, a country that is now in a tragic state of	sabrina 1	Nov 2013	#166
You sure aren't alone	cali	Nov 2013	#167
Right-it was in much better shape under Gadaffi's leadership	brooklynite	Nov 2013	#204
that it was in bad shape under Gadaffi is NOT a logical argument	cali	Nov 2013	#219
Yes, it was. In fact most Libyans had free access to HC, so they were way ahead of us in that dept.	sabrina 1	Nov 2013	#232
Been wondering...	TRoN33	Nov 2013	#170
I doubt Warren will run. She really doesn't have much to do with my	cali	Nov 2013	#171
Clearly someone didn't get the memo about how Hillary is the inevitable nominee and	hughee99	Nov 2013	#172
I think more and more people will be getting that memo.	cali	Nov 2013	#173
Yes, they will try to hammer the boot down	newthinking	Nov 2013	#202
yes, it has changed. And not for the better.	cali	Nov 2013	#205
Clinton is not my first choice for the nomination but by any objective standard she must be	totodeinhere	Nov 2013	#177
That's undoubtedly true.	cali	Nov 2013	#178
2016 is looking more and more like 1896	happyslug	Nov 2013	#182
"The revolution of 1896 within the Democratic Party meant short term defeat...	polichick	Nov 2013	#207
Just a historical clarification	wyldwolf	Nov 2013	#230
With the loss of Congress the Democratic party turned to the right	happyslug	Nov 2013	#231
Shhhhhhhh....!	MADem	Nov 2013	#259
True, and it's largely because of how far to the Right the Tea Party has gone. Frankly, overall,	libdem4life	Nov 2013	#183
I confidently predict that the Democrats will	Progressive dog	Nov 2013	#189
Elizabeth Warren isn't the issue here. Of course Hillary is in the running	cali	Nov 2013	#190
Did you know that Elizabeth Warren said	Progressive dog	Nov 2013	#196
Yes. I did know that. So?	cali	Nov 2013	#198
I'd put her as mainstream,	Progressive dog	Nov 2013	#212
Well, unlike "mystery meat" BHO, HRC is a known entity, a rightie. Send her to the GOP. They need	blkmusclmachine	Nov 2013	#201
de Blasio is a Clinton guy	JI7	Nov 2013	#206
de Blasio is allied with the Clintons, no doubt and has a history with them	cali	Nov 2013	#213
Here are some Warren quotes.	Beacool	Nov 2013	#208
lol. fail	cali	Nov 2013	#218
Hey, support anyone you want,	Beacool	Nov 2013	#224
I haven't. ever.	cali	Nov 2013	#278
Ms. In Between	libdude	Nov 2013	#225
But it's so very important for the populists to have a candidate. nm	rhett o rick	Nov 2013	#226
I'd like to point out that this is asserted every presidential election cycle	wyldwolf	Nov 2013	#228
I could Easily Support Hillary Clinton	DallasNE	Nov 2013	#239
please not Martin O'Malley!	Vattel	Nov 2013	#261
The Clinton and the Republicans fighting is soooo "Last Century".	Spitfire of ATJ	Nov 2013	#242
Wooooohoooooo! We can do much better:)	grahamhgreen	Nov 2013	#245
I'm going to wait for her to declare her candidacy	DFW	Nov 2013	#246
*Didn't Bill DeBlasio RUN Clinton's NY campaign?*	MADem	Nov 2013	#251
yes, of course he did. I'm fully familiar with his ties to the Clintons	cali	Nov 2013	#266
Well, Bloomberg was a Republican-turned-Independent Mayor.	MADem	Nov 2013	#270
If we can't do better ..	sendero	Nov 2013	#258
2016 Obama - Biden	Reformed Bully	Nov 2013	#262
Welcome to DU. The creative speculation forum is that way	cali	Nov 2013	#276

Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 10:59 AM

Laelth (32,014 posts)

1. It's encouraging to see the national mood shifting to the left.

Sadly, it's almost surprising to see it happening in the Democratic Party (which has been far too conservative on economic issues for far too long).

That said, many seem to believe that Hillary gets the nomination if she wants it. They may be right. I, of course, am hoping for an interesting primary.

-Laelth

The Rising Tide of Populism in the Dem Party Spells Trouble for Hillary

1. It's encouraging to see the national mood shifting to the left.

2. I think Clinton's plan is pretty solid and pretty obvious

110. If she does win the nomination

117. I'll vote for her- puking all the way

120. ...

123. I'm a woman, but I certainly won't support her in the primaries

129. Actually, I've been here

131. Yes, I'm deeply angry over the corporate takeover of the party. And I'm not the only one

221. Sure her ties trouble me.

169. Frankly I don't care whether the candidate is a man or a woman. So long as they have a RECORD,

223. +1. n/t

227. YES! As you say!

136. "you seem to be a shit stirrer"

144. No.

195. That's Democracy for you

209. This seems like an odd post to me.

252. Bill DeBlasio LOVES HRC--he ran her Senate campaign.

268. Oh, please. People on the left have been disturbed by Clinton's corporatism

271. Well, gee, when you go to the "Ready for Hillary" website, the first face you see is DeBlasio's.

274. Most DUers certainly find my argument convincing

275. Ooooooooh--a gratuitous slam! A personal insult! Didn't take you long, did it? nt

277. I like sand.

280. I've posted numerous links to her enmeshment with corporate interests

302. I think what BOG types have firmly planted is …

301. How I wish …

303. +1

304. I think ...

306. Well, if people have ill will, they'll show it soon enough.

263. Party before people heh?

281. I want a candidate who will win.

279. Hello.I'm Oldenufff,and I am a shit stirrer...

285. Hey Oldenuff

241. If Elizabeth Warren is her VP, that would soften the blow - she'd be next in line

249. In 2016 Warren will be 67; Hillary C.will be 69; after 2 terms, W=75; HC = 77.

253. I doubt that will happen.

308. No more voting for candidates whose "blows" need to be softened.

309. I hope Warren runs against HRC as a Democrat - I'll vote for her.

264. dear cali

272. dear q.kobi: I have no idea what you are attempting to say.

292. welcome to DU

161. You seem to forget where you are

211. blue to the bone, don't ask that question. you assume that people won't vote for the nom.

233. From talking to dems I know, they will not vote for her if she receives the nomination. They will

269. I'm with you. Hillary spells trouble for Hillary. We don't need Rethug lite.

247. I thikn now is the time for us to say "No we will not support her as the nominee for she is too

179. I appreciate you posting

260. Is this still up to us?

293. mdbl, I understand what

307. Ok, I'll try harder...

310. I too hope that is the case.. We vote, we try, to bring change and

180. When the first Iraq war made Bush I undefeatable, all the

216. Now, Julian Castro might have a chance

194. Did you hear Howard Dean's remarks yesterday?

240. He ought to know...he's a smart man!

254. He, and a million other people who have already donated to

284. Yeah, that is unfortunate

290. I disagree entirely with every single thing you've said.

291. Of course you disagree with me.

305. Listen to you--so very hard at work with your nasty little label maker!

248. Good

265. Dear Noble one

267. Welcome to DU.

273. Dear q.kobi ~ Hello

3. Premise being Hillary can NOT change policies for the best... Hillary isn't Pol Pot

4. Premise being that her history is one that reveals her close ties to corporate interests

7. Keyword: History, I'm going to wait and see what her plans are... I don't hate Hillary, I think she'

10. Fair enough. What would she have to do to earn your trust?

38. try

47. Well for some just say the right words.

50. No doubt.

20. Forensic psychologiy's oldest and firmest rule:

41. Again, people can change... after seeing Hillary in SOS role I'm willing to give her a chance

52. Just curious but

64. try

124. "Try", frankly isn't good enough.

132. She was a primary force in crafting and backing the TPP

139. If true, then I'm seriously concerned about that.

148. For who?

149. for anyone attempting to understand where you're coming from.