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Blue Dog Bubba should just SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! (Original Post) boomerbust Nov 2013 OP
He's in full 'Go Hillary' mode. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #1
Mr and Mrs President has such a glorious ring to it, eh? n/t Fumesucker Nov 2013 #3
Like William and Mary all over again. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #6
A politician behaving like a politician? How shocking! Lizzie Poppet Nov 2013 #9
This makes no sense though - Hillary is very likely to want the support of the karynnj Nov 2013 #48
The American Public are not logical. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #56
amen boomer, couldn't have said it better myself. go lizzzzy! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2013 #2
I'm pretty baffled why he'd say something as unhelpful BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #4
I think it's one of those tantrum things he gets. Whisp Nov 2013 #20
Do you ever think before you write or do you write whatever pops into your head, Beacool Nov 2013 #27
any thoughts on what I said? Whisp Nov 2013 #30
No, because you never write facts. Beacool Nov 2013 #37
really? Now that is very interesting. Whisp Nov 2013 #39
question DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #54
Yeah he sure did Lifelong Dem Nov 2013 #68
I totally missed the Syria "wuss" comments - he was in line with McCain! karynnj Nov 2013 #49
Elizabeth Warren/Sherrod Brown. nt Snotcicles Nov 2013 #5
Warren/Grayson 2016! truebluegreen Nov 2013 #7
Grayson/Sanders n/t sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #15
I'm not really a fan of Grayson's tactics but Whisp Nov 2013 #21
Al Gore felt the same way. nt NCTraveler Nov 2013 #8
wow....... NM_Birder Nov 2013 #10
"Bill Clinton called 'Blue Dog',...and told to "Shut the Fuck Up" Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #19
Bil Clinton - Hell Hath No Fury Nov 2013 #47
Yeah, because it's Bill's fault that the administration made a promise that it can't keep. Beacool Nov 2013 #11
It ain't Warren's fault. Wilms Nov 2013 #12
What does that pic have to do with this conversation? Beacool Nov 2013 #17
What does that pic have to do with Democracy? Wilms Nov 2013 #23
NY senator with one of her constituents. Beacool Nov 2013 #29
Which explains her popularity. Wilms Nov 2013 #53
I think the poster is impugning your avatar. nt Dreamer Tatum Nov 2013 #34
People who had single year policies that they had to renew every year? Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #14
Of course it's the corrupt industry's fault. And that is why most of us Progressive Dems opposed sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #16
I think that's an excellent idea. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #61
'Never venture, never win' sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #65
I agree. At least getting the message out. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #66
True with the current make-up of Congress, on both sides for the most part. If we really set the sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #67
It's not Obama's fault. Beacool Nov 2013 #18
please proceed, Ms. Beacool. :) Whisp Nov 2013 #24
Please stop boring me. Beacool Nov 2013 #25
They did keep their insurance plans. Until they ran out. Because the plans are only 1 year plans. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #62
After the success Clinton had with health care reform he is certainly qualified to criticize tularetom Nov 2013 #38
Are we living in the early 90s? Beacool Nov 2013 #51
The irony is that 20 years ago, Bill said the exact same thing re: his health care plan. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #60
And we all know what Obama was saying Lifelong Dem Nov 2013 #69
That fucker destroyed Haiti, fucked US workers and fucked people who needed welfare. L0oniX Nov 2013 #13
I was on Team Hillary until his attempts to marginalize the White House. HijackedLabel Nov 2013 #22
One of the Democrats greatest weaknesses is Whisp Nov 2013 #26
They are the most popular Democrats in the nation. Beacool Nov 2013 #32
Ah, I see. Now I'm a 'Furiner' again. Whisp Nov 2013 #36
Yes, if you have the gall to tell us who is a "real" Democrat. Beacool Nov 2013 #40
I'd be more than real if I drooled over Hillary. Whisp Nov 2013 #41
You just keep proving what I wrote....... Beacool Nov 2013 #44
Actually telling somebody from another HappyMe Nov 2013 #43
I'm not on the Clinton bandwagon. HappyMe Nov 2013 #35
As if she wouldn't be "fair game" even if she doesn't run in 2016. Beacool Nov 2013 #42
lol! HappyMe Nov 2013 #45
I didn't say that. Beacool Nov 2013 #50
In relation to the current President? HappyMe Nov 2013 #52
Per some here, you are "authoritarian" for believing so Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #57
Link to what he said? JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #28
A link would go against the argument that Clinton is trying to harm Obama McXorsett Nov 2013 #55
The only quote you will see is the one that the media keeps repeating ad nauseam. Beacool Nov 2013 #63
He has SO MUCH credibility when it comes to implementing health care reform riqster Nov 2013 #31
There are a number of things he did in histerms that make me wonder what she would do differently. jwirr Nov 2013 #33
he sabotages her. not the first time. and sure it will not be the last. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #46
Nice reminder, though, of why I won't support these two going back to the WH. TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #58
Agreed. Laelth Nov 2013 #59
CDS. LOL. Beausoir Nov 2013 #64
I don't think anyone should be told to "shut up." Chuck Smythe Nov 2013 #70

LuvNewcastle

(16,831 posts)
1. He's in full 'Go Hillary' mode.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 10:51 AM
Nov 2013

He'll throw anybody under the bus between now and election day 2016 if he thinks Hillary might have something to gain from it. All that's on his mind is, "how can I use this situation to benefit Hillary?"

karynnj

(59,492 posts)
48. This makes no sense though - Hillary is very likely to want the support of the
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:46 PM
Nov 2013

Obama team. Techniques in electioneering change quickly and these are the most experienced Democrats.

All I can think of is that Bill is hypothesizing that Obama by 2015 will be as low in popularity as Bush and that a theme of return to the 90s (and change from Obama) will work. (Personally, I don't get how you ignite desire for change then have it aid someone who has been powerful for at least 25 years.)

LuvNewcastle

(16,831 posts)
56. The American Public are not logical.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 02:07 PM
Nov 2013

Like you said, Bill is betting that Obama isn't going to be popular at the end of his term. Hillary was a big part of his administration, so they have to start distancing Hillary from Obama now. Before it's all over, everyone will believe that Hillary had nothing to do with Obamacare and was telling Obama where he was going wrong at every turn, but he wouldn't listen to her. She had to resign out of frustration.

You're right, it doesn't make sense for those who want change to elect an old warhorse like Hillary, but voters are going to have everything so twisted in their heads 3 years from now, the facts they know will be replaced with what's been suggested with innuendo from political ads and tv 'news' stories.

Re-writing history was the main character's occupation in "1984." We see it done in politics, media, and advertising all the time. It's why Americans are so damn ignorant of history. Their brains can't decide whether to go with their memory or the re-telling of the story as it's been related to them.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
4. I'm pretty baffled why he'd say something as unhelpful
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 11:09 AM
Nov 2013

as he had which, he should know, will be taken out of context by Corporate Media that are now on a full-out war path with the Obama Administration.

Uneffingbelievable.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
20. I think it's one of those tantrum things he gets.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 12:53 PM
Nov 2013

Most likely something didn't go his way (lots of things in the background like the Clinton Foundation investigation, the State Depart one when Hillary was SoS, and who knows what else - maybe he's not getting the promises to support Hillary for Pres. as much as the media is saying) and he lashes out in this way.

He seems to specifically attack the President tho. So I really hope, one day when some stories come out, we get to hear how Obama held up against the big bully (I consider the Clintons both bullies) and the big bully cries to the media in this way for revenge.
What with his idiot 'wuss' on Syria thing, his support of Romney & Bain, his really, really awkward support and kindess for the Bushes, shit like that.

Beacool

(30,245 posts)
27. Do you ever think before you write or do you write whatever pops into your head,
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:02 PM
Nov 2013

regardless of whether there's any validity to it?

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
30. any thoughts on what I said?
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:07 PM
Nov 2013

We do know that the Investigations are real. I know you would rather they be not in Fantasyton Land. But they are.

Also, the examples of Bill indirectly calling the President a 'wuss', is real, is documented. Same with Romney and same with the Mass Murdering Chimperor (who I am to believe is a nice guy now, a brother like character? fuck that shit).

But you are saying I am making all this up. That these things mysteriously popped up in my head out of thin air and no basis.

I think you should take something for those shakey eyes of yours. It's making you lose perspective on reality.

Beacool

(30,245 posts)
37. No, because you never write facts.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:11 PM
Nov 2013

You write emotional comments, mere opinions and suppositions that have nothing to do with the events at hand.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
39. really? Now that is very interesting.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:19 PM
Nov 2013

The Fact that you are in total denial of some of the realities in the Clintonsphere.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
54. question
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 02:02 PM
Nov 2013

did or did not Clinton you the term "wuss" to say that Obama needed to be tough on Syria, or else be seen as a wuss.?

 

Lifelong Dem

(344 posts)
68. Yeah he sure did
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 01:13 AM
Nov 2013

And Obama seemed to handle Syria very well. He will also handle Obamacare very well. He didn't say Obamacare will be his last campaign for nothing.

karynnj

(59,492 posts)
49. I totally missed the Syria "wuss" comments - he was in line with McCain!
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:55 PM
Nov 2013

(I found several links on it from google - http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/13/bill-clinton-obama-may-look-like-a-wuss-over-syria.html

You wonder if the former Secretary of State, who with Petraous, backed more support for the rebels may have been part of the reason that Saudi Arabia thinks we promised more. If so, I am grateful for the clear statements of both the Secretaries of war and state that we do want to fight their civil war. Here is Kerry speaking in Saudi Arabia -
[div class = "excerpt"]
In what may have been the frankest description to date of administration views, Kerry said at the news conference that “absent a negotiated solution, we don’t see a lot of ways to end the violence that are implementable or palatable to us, because we don’t have the legal authority or justification or the desire, at this point, to get in the middle of the civil war.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/kerry-meets-with-saudi-king-abdullah-amid-policy-differences-on-mideast-issues/2013/11/04/4dbf204a-4554-11e3-a196-3544a03c2351_story_1.html

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
21. I'm not really a fan of Grayson's tactics but
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 12:55 PM
Nov 2013

Warren/Grayson.

doesn't sound too bad at all! Only thing is he does say some really strange stuff (way way worse than Biden is accused of) and that could distract Warren and make for attention to him and not her work.

hmmm. Anyway, lots of time to think about it.

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
10. wow.......
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 11:44 AM
Nov 2013

Bill Clinton called a "Blue Dog",...and told to "Shut the Fuck Up"...... on Democratic Underground. He must have said something critical regarding President Obama.

Don't know but I'll go see.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
19. "Bill Clinton called 'Blue Dog',...and told to "Shut the Fuck Up"
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 12:43 PM
Nov 2013

And called "Bubba" as well, which is kind of a dog whistle for "racist!"

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
47. Bil Clinton -
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:41 PM
Nov 2013

IS a Third Way/Blue Dog Democrat -- he practically invented the damned political position. Nothing wrong with telling the Truth. And not all of us who say that are fans of O.

Beacool

(30,245 posts)
11. Yeah, because it's Bill's fault that the administration made a promise that it can't keep.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 11:45 AM
Nov 2013

Durbin even admitted that neither he nor Obama should have kept telling people that they could keep their plan if they wanted to do so. Now people are furious. Don't get me wrong, I think that it's the insurance companies' fault, but if people want to keep their crappy coverage they should be entitled to do so.

But of course blame Bill, because to the Left if it isn't Bush's fault, then it must be Clinton's fault.

As for your ticket, let me laugh now. The bloated governor of my state has a better chance of winning than those two.

Beacool

(30,245 posts)
29. NY senator with one of her constituents.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:05 PM
Nov 2013

There are literally thousands of pics of Hillary with people of all sorts. I still fail to see the point of posting that pic.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
53. Which explains her popularity.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 02:01 PM
Nov 2013

There are many who "still fail to see the point".

But hey. It's a "woman's turn" and stuff. Like it's a high school popularity contest.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
14. People who had single year policies that they had to renew every year?
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 12:11 PM
Nov 2013

Why is that Obama's fault if people don't understand how their Insurance works? It's not. It's the industry's fault. The industry offered these crap policies in the first place, and now they're not allowed to rip people off for obscene low levels of "coverage", and so they're not renewing an annually renewed policy.

What Obama meant was, for the majority of people in Employer-sponsored plans, things would not change. The people who don't understand why they're "losing" a policy that is cancelled every year and restarted anyway, don't understand the difference between buying a drink and getting free refills.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
16. Of course it's the corrupt industry's fault. And that is why most of us Progressive Dems opposed
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 12:23 PM
Nov 2013

handing them public funds to manage, saving their failing rear ends when the opportunity arose to remove them as 'middlemen', but we were shouted down.

They wrote the Health Insurance Bill and it was pushed by Blue Dogs.

Now, can we take the bull by the horns, use their weapons against them, tell them 'we did it your way and you're correct, it isn't working, so now let's do it right. Let's put a National HC policy in place and dispense with all these convoluted, complex policies of who is and who is not entitled to live'?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
61. I think that's an excellent idea.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 04:18 PM
Nov 2013

And one that doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell, given who controls the House.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
65. 'Never venture, never win'
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 12:16 AM
Nov 2013

Lots of things in history seemed impossible and not worth trying, until some people came along and decided to do the impossible.

But so long ans no one tries, the claims that it isn't possible become self-fulling prophecies.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
66. I agree. At least getting the message out.
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 12:36 AM
Nov 2013

Legislatively I think, unlikely. But certainly putting the blame for these issues at the feet of where they belong; the for-profit Insurance Industry- would be a start.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
67. True with the current make-up of Congress, on both sides for the most part. If we really set the
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 12:48 AM
Nov 2013

goal to change the make-up of Congress, even it meant running Dems as Independents or whatever it takes to slip in as many Progressives as possible, it could happen. Which is why I am not wasting time on the 2016 Presidential election. I don't know why so much effort is put on that race. The President is just one person, but if we had a true, Progressive Congress filled with FIGHTERS who actually READ the bills they sign off on depending on who is funding them, the President, if s/he was a Progressive would be unstoppable and if s/he was a Republican moron, would have little power to implement any more Corporate legislation.

We have two Congressional elections coming up in the next three years. That gives us a huge opportunity to throw out the garbage and start all over. IF we wanted to and refused to be distracted by the premature 'campaign' for the 2016 WH election.

It is possible, but it will only become probable if the Liberal Groups, Unions and Advocacy groups get serious about NOT funding Corporate Candidates and put the huge amounts of money they usually donate to the DNC behind the Progressive Candidates who don't get much help from the party leadership. Iow, don't leave this to the party anymore. It's time for the people take control of who they get to vote for. We have not been well-represented.

Beacool

(30,245 posts)
18. It's not Obama's fault.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 12:40 PM
Nov 2013

But what they meant and the way they said it were two different things. What the administration shouldn't have done is promised people that they could keep their insurance plan if they chose to do so. We know that these plans are crappy, but if some dopes want to keep them, then they should be able to do so.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
62. They did keep their insurance plans. Until they ran out. Because the plans are only 1 year plans.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 04:19 PM
Nov 2013

When you rent a hotel room for a night, do you have a fit if they don't let you stay there for a week?

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
38. After the success Clinton had with health care reform he is certainly qualified to criticize
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:11 PM
Nov 2013

Oh wait...

Beacool

(30,245 posts)
51. Are we living in the early 90s?
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:56 PM
Nov 2013

Didn't think so. Different times, different historical perspectives.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
60. The irony is that 20 years ago, Bill said the exact same thing re: his health care plan.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 03:03 PM
Nov 2013

I'm not on anyone's side. I want all of us to come together. Bill is making that very tough right now. He should not have said what he did. Even if he did say good things about the ACA, he ought to know that the Corporate Media--the media HE deregulated in the mid-90s, I might add--will only focus on the one bad thing he said about the ACA. Bill knows this. He knows better. Which is why it is difficult to believe that he didn't do this deliberately.

 

Lifelong Dem

(344 posts)
69. And we all know what Obama was saying
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 01:50 AM
Nov 2013

Diane Sawyer followed up in her interview with the president.

"People have been hearing you say these words," Sawyer said, "about 'If you like your doctor — '"

"Yeah," said President Obama.

" ' — you'll keep your doctor, period. If you like your — '"

"Right," the president interjected.

"' – -health plan, you'll keep your health plan, period.' Yet, I thought today in the press conference I heard you amend it to say, 'If your employer decides to change it, we don't have control over that.' So– "

"Whoa, whoa, whoa," said the president "But, of course, there, I mean, that's, that's the case whether we pass health care or not. I mean, the, look, the, the, the fact is that right now, all across the country, people are losing their health care. Every day. You, you can travel into Washington, D.C. And you'll find somebody on the street whose employer just dropped them from health care. Or who has decided to increase their deductibles. Or increase their premiums."

Continued the president, "So, those choices are being made by employers constantly, right? I can't pass a law that says, 'I'm sorry, employers, you can never make changes to the health care plans that you provide your employees.' What I can say is that the government is not going to force you to, your employer or you to join a government plan, for example. If you're happy with it, and your employer's happy with it, keep it."

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/06/more-on-the-if-you-like-your-health-plan-youll-keep-your-health-plan-promise/

 

HijackedLabel

(80 posts)
22. I was on Team Hillary until his attempts to marginalize the White House.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 12:57 PM
Nov 2013

Now I'm not so sure.

I am of the opinion that Democrats should work to support the agenda of the executive branch when their party is in power... not their own or criticism of it.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
26. One of the Democrats greatest weaknesses is
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:00 PM
Nov 2013

the Clintons. They are like mafia in that world. That is so repugnant, and that is why I will never accept them as Democrats, but more as Republicans. Maybe his brother, George W. Bush got the idea of Oaths from the Clintons, as they did something similar in the early 90s. Either you were in the club and and insider or you were out. The Family. The front seat was taken by this rather than the american people and voters.

Beacool

(30,245 posts)
32. They are the most popular Democrats in the nation.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:08 PM
Nov 2013

As you do not live in this country, who cares if you accept them as Democrats? Millions of Americans do.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
36. Ah, I see. Now I'm a 'Furiner' again.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:10 PM
Nov 2013

and seeing as the US has No Influence at all on my country or any other - I should just STFU, this socialist commie should not be able to speak freely.

hahaha. I love it when you step into it all by yourself, Beacool.

Beacool

(30,245 posts)
40. Yes, if you have the gall to tell us who is a "real" Democrat.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:20 PM
Nov 2013

I don't believe in censorship, but gut reactions with no real thought are annoying.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
41. I'd be more than real if I drooled over Hillary.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:22 PM
Nov 2013

My Furiner status would be revoked on the spot!

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
35. I'm not on the Clinton bandwagon.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:10 PM
Nov 2013

I don't understand his motivations in trying to undermine the current Dem WH.

But I suppose this makes his wife fair game if she wins the WH.

Beacool

(30,245 posts)
42. As if she wouldn't be "fair game" even if she doesn't run in 2016.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:22 PM
Nov 2013

The crap I read in this site is just as bad as one reads on RW sites. After a while, it's hard to tell the difference.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
45. lol!
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:25 PM
Nov 2013

Anybody that isn't worshipping Clinton is a RWer to you.

Do you say the same thing about unfair criticism of Obama?

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
57. Per some here, you are "authoritarian" for believing so
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 02:07 PM
Nov 2013

Of course, it just makes goddamn SENSE that leading Democrats should support one another on the issues they agree with each other on.

This is bullshit.

 

McXorsett

(21 posts)
55. A link would go against the argument that Clinton is trying to harm Obama
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 02:06 PM
Nov 2013

Because if a link to his interview was posted, we would learn that he 1) said the nation is better off with Obamacare than without it, and 2) downplayed the faulty start of the health care website, noting that such problems happened to Medicare in the 90's and got fixed.

In order to trash Clinton, it is necessary to pretend that his opinion about people keeping their insurance was the only thing he said in that interview.

Don't expect quotes either.

Beacool

(30,245 posts)
63. The only quote you will see is the one that the media keeps repeating ad nauseam.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 04:24 PM
Nov 2013

This place is Pavlovian in their response to anything Clinton. Come to think of it, after a while, the expressions of hate become funny.

 

Beausoir

(7,540 posts)
64. CDS. LOL.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 04:46 PM
Nov 2013

I listened to his full remarks and laughed knowing a few unstables here would spray their shorts over it.
Like clockwork.
He said nothing offensive to Obama.

 

Chuck Smythe

(15 posts)
70. I don't think anyone should be told to "shut up."
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 05:37 AM
Nov 2013

I think people should express their disagreements in a polite and civilized way. Being mean is a reflection on the person who is being mean, not on the person who the meanness is targeted at.

I happen to think we should repeal Obamacare and replace it with a one page bill that lets everyone sign up for Medicaid. So I don't agree with Clinton or Obama. But I don't want to yell and scream at them to "shut up."

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