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underpants

(182,843 posts)
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 10:27 AM Nov 2013

Two brothers that I went to high school with and am friends with on FB have a boat towing company

I see them posting about late night tows and such. Last night was a cold one here in Virginia.

I was curious as to the typical customer who needs a tow. So I asked.

Mechanical breakdown?



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For sailboats it tends to be groundings.
For motorboats it is.....

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Bad fuel. Not out of fuel but bad fuel.
So I followed up - is it from old tanks and pumps that you see at a lot of marinas and fuel stations on the water (from my limited time on such crafts).
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Ethanol - it gums up the boats' system just like it does to weed whackers, blowers, etc.
CORN!!!




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Two brothers that I went to high school with and am friends with on FB have a boat towing company (Original Post) underpants Nov 2013 OP
Interesting... Cooley Hurd Nov 2013 #1
I have looked for non-ethanol stations around here underpants Nov 2013 #2
There are some stations around here that have signs on the pumps LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #4
The gas stations in Virginia do have stickers on the pumps saying that the gas contains ethanol underpants Nov 2013 #16
Corn does the same thing to my intestines, it's arthritisR_US Nov 2013 #3
What is it about GMO versus non-GMO corn that gums up your guts? Orrex Nov 2013 #5
I've hated corn since I was a kid. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #6
It's a horrible grain for me and it not only arthritisR_US Nov 2013 #8
Corn is food, not fuel. Laelth Nov 2013 #7
Well, they did express thanks to those who made it possible. Octafish Nov 2013 #11
as usual, it has made a few people very rich Enthusiast Nov 2013 #22
what I had always heard was that the alcohol rurallib Nov 2013 #9
I think you're right. HappyMe Nov 2013 #12
I'm suprised this isn't well known Travis_0004 Nov 2013 #10
But were consistantly told its good...... Historic NY Nov 2013 #13
ethanol is hydroscopic Duckhunter935 Nov 2013 #14
I get E-Free when I fill my truck. It's a little more expensive NightWatcher Nov 2013 #15
I was just not aware of this underpants Nov 2013 #17
it gums stuff up because people don't maintain their equipment. uncle ray Nov 2013 #18
Here's a great site that lists ethanol-free stations in the US Oilwellian Nov 2013 #19
Gasohol sucks. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #20
I always use Marine Sta-Bil in the boat tank. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #21

underpants

(182,843 posts)
2. I have looked for non-ethanol stations around here
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 10:31 AM
Nov 2013

and there are none. Being on the water would necessarily limit the availability of finding one to...I would think.

LuvNewcastle

(16,847 posts)
4. There are some stations around here that have signs on the pumps
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 10:38 AM
Nov 2013

that say their gas has ethanol. Do they have to post it if they sell gas with ethanol? I don't buy from the stations that have the signs.

underpants

(182,843 posts)
16. The gas stations in Virginia do have stickers on the pumps saying that the gas contains ethanol
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:05 PM
Nov 2013

It may depend on the state

LuvNewcastle

(16,847 posts)
6. I've hated corn since I was a kid.
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 10:40 AM
Nov 2013

I won't eat anything made of corn, not even grits or corn flakes. I have no use for the shit.

arthritisR_US

(7,288 posts)
8. It's a horrible grain for me and it not only
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 10:53 AM
Nov 2013

kills my entire gut but it causes my arthritis to flare up. I'm with you, no use for the stuff!

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
7. Corn is food, not fuel.
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 10:49 AM
Nov 2013

The whole "subsidize ethanol production" project has been a failure as well as a huge waste of money though, as usual, it has made a few people very rich.

-Laelth

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
11. Well, they did express thanks to those who made it possible.
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 11:03 AM
Nov 2013


And they don't forget to thank the executive branch and the courts.

rurallib

(62,431 posts)
9. what I had always heard was that the alcohol
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 10:54 AM
Nov 2013

doesn't create the gum that fouls the engine. The gum is a residue left by old fashioned regular gas. The alcohol used after running regular gas through an engine will loosen that gum and then it goes through the system.

So I stick with 10% ethanol all the way.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
12. I think you're right.
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 11:04 AM
Nov 2013

The gunk that the ethanol cleans up clogs the fuel filter.

I don't think old engines fare too well with ethanol either.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
10. I'm suprised this isn't well known
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 10:54 AM
Nov 2013

Obviously if you don't own a boat, then you probably wouldn't know, but I have an ATV, and I won't use ethanol in it.

When I go by gas stations in popular 4 wheeling spots, there are often signs advertising the fact that the gas is ethanol free, since a lot of other people feel the same way I do.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
14. ethanol is hydroscopic
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 11:11 AM
Nov 2013

water and engines do not always like each other. Especially after sitting for a month or more.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
15. I get E-Free when I fill my truck. It's a little more expensive
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 11:13 AM
Nov 2013

But it's worth it. A few marinas around here will sell the ethanol free, but a lot of mariners refuse to pay the additional cost.

underpants

(182,843 posts)
17. I was just not aware of this
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:05 PM
Nov 2013

the water is a whole other world (from my few times sailing on a friend's boat).

uncle ray

(3,156 posts)
18. it gums stuff up because people don't maintain their equipment.
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:21 PM
Nov 2013

do you see dozens of cars broken down on the side of the road during rush hour because of "bad gas"? no? that's because the fuel is constantly being used and refilled. in mowers, boats, atvs, etc. people use them for a short while, then typically leave them sit for long periods of time, allowing the fuel in them to evaporate, leaving gummy residue which clogs passages up, and the higher ratio of additives left after the fuel evaporates is more corrosive to metal and rubber. on top of that, the fuel that was in the tank has absorbed moisture, because as stated above, ethanol is hygroscopic. the problem is not the fuel, it is the way it is handled and stored. you should run dry and drain any seasonal equipment.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
20. Gasohol sucks.
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:52 PM
Nov 2013

Because it has fewer btus per gallon, it drives aggregate fuel economy down. Motorists have to burn more of it to go the same distance, thus negating any positive effects it may have had.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
21. I always use Marine Sta-Bil in the boat tank.
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 09:06 PM
Nov 2013

I hope it helps.

Sta-Bil does a good job in the motorcycle tanks. They have NEVER failed to start except from a dead battery.

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