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(511 posts)Sancho
(9,073 posts)cut the military and spy budget in half and raise tax rates on the rich/corporations to mid-20th century rates!!!
Things will be fine in less than 10 years!
Meanwhile, let's extend medicare downward to ALL people as an option on the ACA!!
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Seriously.
valerief
(53,235 posts)thing in the entire universe?
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)It's the same group that approves of torture, intervention in Syria, insurance mandates, and other things they were against until 2009. They are pretty small though.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)nevertheless, they do call the shots in the party.
DissidentVoice
(813 posts)After all, the DLC philosophy has produced our last two Democratic Presidents.
You are right, unfortunately, that they DO call the shots.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)If they want to believe abortion should be outlawed or that gay marriage will ruin the country, that's revolting but can be justified. SS in not insolvent, so if they say that they're lying or wrong.
pnwmom
(109,031 posts)We couldn't get Medicare for all, single payer, or even a public option through Congress. The ACA was the most progressive plan we could get through -- with a large expansion of Medicaid and subsidies for the majority of people -- and it wouldn't be workable without a mandate. NY State already tried that and it didn't work. With the onset of Obamacare, their rates are going down 50%.
People who support the mandate aren't on the right. They're realistic people who would rather take a big step forward than remain stuck in the mud.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)to authorize the Government, who have zero right btw, since that fund belongs to the American people, to cut SS benefits for the poorest and most vulnerable Americans.
I have met them and wonder why they are here since SS is the cornerstone of the Democratic Party.
The contorted arguments to try to tie SS to the Deficit would be fascinating to watch if they were not serious.
Any Dem who votes for the Chained CPI, is NOT a Dem imo. They are Heritage Foundation trolls in the Dem Party.
gopiscrap
(23,769 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)The people didn't borrow against it. The Congress did. And they have to pay it back.
Problem is, we have to pay it back via taxes to the federal government, which must then in turn pay back SS.
This was what Al Gore's 'lock box' was intended to prevent, and nobody 'got it'. Now the only 'insolvency' related to SS is the possibility that the Federal Government might fail to pay it back, for instance, in a debt ceiling shenanigan fest.
Social security isn't a freebie, or a free rider. That's OUR money, taken directly from our paychecks, and put into an insurance system that was NEVER intended to be borrowed against.
"And now they're coming for your Social Security money. They want your fucking retirement money, they want it back, so they can give to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know something? They'll get it. They'll get it all from you sooner or later."
Thanks so much Scuba for sharing this. This is a terrific graphic that everyone should see and understand.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Glad to be here.
blue14u
(575 posts)stage left
(2,967 posts)Packerowner740
(676 posts)You never hear anyone talk about that though, only about doing away with SS.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)After all, this "Federal Government" thingy is ALSO
funded by American workers.
Or what, do they fund the rest of the budget by selling candy corn to the EU?
Of course, when it comes to "Did you know?" then I might ask this -
Did you know?
The bottom 40% of workers would be BETTER OFF if Social Security WAS funded by progressive income taxes instead of by regressive payroll taxes on wages.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Only payroll taxes would fall under the "American workers" umbrella.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Is an unambiguous statement like this too much to expect from a Democratic President?
Why are cuts to Social Security On-the-Table in "Budget Negotiations"?
Scuba
(53,475 posts)druidity33
(6,453 posts)and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over..........
truly...
over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over....
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)...are talking about U. S. Treasury Bonds?
These bonds are traded daily on the bond market for long term investment.
The Bond Market is a RIVAL to the Stock Market.
Republicans want investors to believe those Treasury Bonds could become worthless so there is a big incentive for Republicans to run up the debt and talk about "Out of control spending in Washington" and throw out doomsday predictions about the fiscal failure of the United States. Republicans want investors to believe those Treasury Bonds could become worthless and to move their money into the safety and security of,...the Stock Market.
I know....
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,651 posts)Thanks for the thread, Scuba.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)people who vote R understand this. I know my elderly aunt who is a die-hard FAUX viewer doesn't want anyone messing with her SS, because, as she will tell you, she earned it. Only the wealthy politicians and 1%ers who'll never need it are in favor of cutting it.
angrychair
(8,767 posts)CHINA! CHINA! China owns all of America! We must cut SS because of China!!!!
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)Social Security is also funded by employers.
Divine Discontent
(21,056 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)We can keep in place the gigantic tax cuts given to billionaires over the last 30 years, or we can pay back the SS bonds held by the government in trust for future retirees. We cannot do both.
Given that this government is owned by the people who will suffer the outrage of a restoration of their tax rates to pre-Reagan levels, how this issue will be decided, absent a fundamental re-alignment of our government, is clear.
There is probably a third choice where taxes are raised on working people instead of the fucking filthy rich, that is also an interesting option for our owners.
Divine Discontent
(21,056 posts)give me hope that most people on DU are liberal. we know there's a few percentage that aren't, but this and that other pic about where tax money goes are great! thank you!
Get it here -> http://www.zazzle.com/youre_not_in_the_1_why_vote_like_you_are_bumpe_bumper_sticker-128479630785214922?rf=238107662556833486
spin
(17,493 posts)but those who are retired really appreciate Social Security and Medicare.
There does seem to be a bit of a disconnect in that viewpoint.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)There's public debt, which is owed to holders of government notes, and intergovernmental debt, which is owed by the government to itself.
Most ordinary discussions of "America's debt" refer to the first kind -- our public debt.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)cheapdate
(3,811 posts)It would be comforting to believe that intelligent and reasonable people with a sound understanding of the situation are in charge, but they're not.
mother earth
(6,002 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)most of us have been paying an additional amount into SS to insure that we have enough money to finance OUR retirement as well as the people who were getting the benefits at the time.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)correct when you say the government owes money to SS. Increase funding to SS. Cuts are not acceptable.
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