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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe PRIVATE business that built the ACA website is:
CGI. This is just one reason why government responsibilities should NEVER be privatized!!!
Zorra
(27,670 posts)malaise
(268,968 posts)Truth is stranger than fiction
gopiscrap
(23,758 posts)they probably sabatoged the site
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)The site was not tested properly since they did not start development in a timely way, since the funds were not there to begin with.
Not everything is a conspiracy.
That said, no they should not be privatized, but we do not have the talent in-house, and more agile private contractors lack the ability to go through the system.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)Company X is hired by Company Y to create something
Company X delivers, and their contract is over
Employee Y (or more likely, a contractor from Company Z) is hired to maintain the site
In this case, Company Y has not paid employee Y or contractor Z to maintain it because, shutdown, and the something goes off line.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)That is the day or so Engineer from Y trains Employee from X or Contractor from Z - - and it probably won't happen without, you guessed it, another contract
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Smaller companies have no clue how to navigate the system. So they are locked out even if they could do it far better. Of course we are not hiring the talent into the Federal Government either. It is a symptom, truly, of what ails us as a nation.
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)that could be because the decision was made to contract out anything that can be contracted out.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)yup
malaise
(268,968 posts)<snip>
Republicans new Obamacare attack line hinges on allegations that the contractor in charge of building the disastrous healthcare.gov website landed the gig through sweetheart deals from the Obama administration.
But according to Federal Election Commission records, that companys PAC gave more to House Republicans than House Democrats during the 2012 cycle including a $2,000 check for the GOPs chief scandal investigator, Oversight Committee Chair Darrell Issa. Whats more, executives of CGI Federal personally gave more than twice as much to GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney than to President Obama. The contractor has also feasted on more than $2.4 billion worth of IT work dating back to the early Bush Administration.
So far, none of that has stopped the Republican National Congressional Committee from suggesting CGI netted hundreds of millions of dollars to create the dysfunctional website because of its ties to the White House
On Wednesday, the NRCC blasted the Republican National Committees email list heralding a petition it had started that would urge Congress to investigate CGI-Obama ties. The email noted the importance of finding out, among other pressing questions, How did [CGI] get contracted to do it?
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Don't rule that out
Taverner
(55,476 posts)They might be, but more likely they get a lot of government business because both sides are creating contracts (wars need IT too)
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)he is the third most powerful man in DC, by position. The first is the POTUS, the second is the Speaker. In the 19th century Speaker and Potus were 180, with the POTUS being the second most powerful man in DC. The Fourth most powerful post in DC is Leader of the Senate.
Fun fact, Chairmans of the House Ways and Means Committee are the most likely to face criminal prosecution, independent of party.
malaise
(268,968 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)is my all time chairman. He ran from his jail cell.
malaise
(268,968 posts)The best movie about these morons was The Distinguished Gentleman - it exposed the entire farce until the ridiculous soppy end.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)I must have seen it ten times.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)nincompoopery?
malaise
(268,968 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)hired their political enemies so that blame could be shifted to those hired. However, the hiring decision was is still where this all started.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)If it isn't an internal fed project, they couldn't have at least sourced it to a US contractor? No offense Canuks.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)Why wasn't it given to an American company? We needed those jobs and obviously could have done a better job. Since that co was heavily ReThug....I wouldn't put it past them to deliberately sabotage the web site. What better way to turn off people.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Just look at the Apple, Amazon, Yahoo, and Google disasters, to name but a few.
Utter, sheer incompetence, all.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)The company hit all the wickets regarding contract work.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)the decision about what company to use should have been made at the highest government levels, imo. Now, I'm just hoping they fix everything ASAP!
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)these procurement decisions are made. Best case mid level. They do not go even to just under cabinet, never has, never will.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Halliburton decided that you could get toilet paper in theater, as well as food. They were never punished for it.
Never mind dependents were sending toilet paper to units deployed.
And that is a well known example. They have made those goofs since at least the Vietnam war, and they have never been punished, and keep winning contracts, since they know HOW to navigate the system.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)There were many reasons this thing is going so poorly, starting with a Scope of Work that wasn't finalized until March of this year.
SamYeager
(309 posts)Want to really screw up software development? Let Congress design the requirements.
judesedit
(4,438 posts)Let stand the current enrollies. They can be transferred to the new system later. You have until January, although I know you will be inundated with hits. Get it in place, train the phone staff and the preparers, then let the information fly.
gopiscrap
(23,758 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Are you advocating that the Federal Government should build a huge, brand new software company in house? You think that such a venture would attract talented programmers and engineers?
mazzarro
(3,450 posts)thus put the right emphasis to its development. Now it has to pay for this critical oversight.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)it's be profitable. This is what you get when you decouple expenses from returns.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)in exchange for being able to place discreet ads on the site.
No cost to taxpayers, and a well-designed system that would actually have worked. Unfortunately the crappy company that actually got the job had very good lobbyists.