blame for this shutdown is not just on republicans but also on those who sat out the 2010 election

[leftyohiolib]

you wanted to "show them" and stayed home and that allowed all the teatards to be voted in. im pointing this out so that we dont have a repeat of that kind of demonstration.

[gopiscrap]

1. Absolutely!

[Coyotl]

71. Don't forget those who steal elections!

[Capt. Obvious]

2. Some people say that's not true

Did liberals stay home in 2010?

Glad to see another get out the liberal vote thread.

[Laelth]

9. Excellent link. Thanks. n/t

-Laelth

[AnotherMcIntosh]

17. Good link. This is worth expanding on:

"Did liberals really stay home and cause the 2010 rout?
by Scientician

"You know what I'm talking about. The claim that a bunch of liberals were so pissed off at Obama that they stayed home and this caused the 2010 rout. It's pervasive. I won't link to examples because it comes up so regularly I see no point singling anyone out.

"So I went back to the exit polls and the picture I see shows nothing like that. If you are a proponent of this claim, I challenge you for empirical proof that some set of activist liberals "took their ball and went home" or whatever metaphor you prefer to make Obama's leftward critics appear childish and immature. Inside, the evidence I found that shows this just ain't so.

"Here's what CNN found in the 2010 House exit poll, when respondents were asked for their ideology, ...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/06/1003805/-Did-liberals-really-stay-home-and-cause-the-2010-rout#

[ForgoTheConsequence]

83. Lack of response to this is telling.

Just fingers in the ears and ::LALALALALA:: "liberals did this" "leftists are ruining the party" "tea party isn't just to blame", on a supposedly "progressive" website.

Funny how some of these "Democrats" are trying to draw blame and criticism away from the Tea Baggers and put it on......Democrats. Things that make you go "hmmmmm".......

[leftyohiolib]

86. "liberals did this" i didnt say this . teatards shut down the gvmnt. but dems sitting out the

2010 put them there.
my response to Some people say that's not true is some people say it is.
btw that article is based on exit polls if you dont vote how can you be part of an exit poll
and in case you didnt know people dont always tell the truth

[cthulu2016]

3. This tired line again? Everybody HERE voted.

So who is this directed at?

Who is this "you" you're addressing?

[TDale313]

7. Everygirl too :-)

And I agree. The vast majority of people on this site were not the ones who sat out in 2010. It was people far less politically aware and involved, not lefties sitting out cause they didn't get their ponies.

[cthulu2016]

10. Thanks for the spellcheck

I edited it, but for those who are curious, I had spelled everybody as "everyboy"

[TDale313]

15. Yeah, not tryin' to be rude, just playin' :-)

[treestar]

27. Many posts on DU who said in 2009-10

That they were going to stay home. That Obama had "lost their vote" (this went on also through and until 2011-12). That Rs were no worse than Ds. Stirring up shit to try to get others to feel the same way.

[sabrina 1]

54. Obama wasn't running in 2010 so I doubt anyone was saying 'Obama lost my vote'

here on DU. We generally know who is running. You are still clinging to that false claim, debunked over and over again all over the internet for nearly four years now.

Independents, not loyal to any party, stayed home disappointed by the right turn of the Dem Party after they worked so hard to get rid of Republican policies.

So who was to blame for that?? The Blue Dogs/Third Way 'dems' who dragged the party to the Right.

Now it's time to start electing Real Democrats to try to get back that huge block of voters lost by the Third Wayers in 2010.

[Nay]

92. Many people stayed home in 2010 because it was an OFF-YEAR election,

not because they wanted to 'punish' anybody. FFS. That election had the same turnout that all off-year elections had, basically. I wish this stupid meme would die.

[joshcryer]

68. DU also ran with the "ACA kills Medicare!" crap. The whole "catfood commission" crap.

Basically the Republicans were really able to push their right wing disaster politics narrative and we fell for it.

[leftyohiolib]

80. this is why i posted this cause people's memories are short. now no one remembers anyone

who said they werent gonna vote, but i remember.

[Nay]

93. It really doesn't matter who did a ragey vent about not voting in 2010--the

election totals pretty much show that turnout was totally representative of the normal turnout at ANY off-year election.

[liberal_at_heart]

4. the blame is on the bad democratic candidates, not the voters.

I voted democrat in 2010. Can't guarantee I will do the same in 2014. I'm an ex democrat, now independent. Give me some good democratic candidates to vote for and I will vote for them. The blame game will not work on me. If there are no good candidates to vote for in 2014 and I don't vote you can try and blame me all you want. If you think I care what you think of me, you are sadly mistaken.

[bluestate10]

65. Alright, when a 22 caliber can't do the job, allow someone to hand over a 45 caliber.

Brilliant logic. Any Democrat is infinitely preferable to any republican, period. What the US House and many states have become since 2010 is complete validation that people who didn't vote in 2010 to teach Democrats a lesson fucked up.

[joshcryer]

69. The ones who gutted social security?

Oh right... that never happened.

We lost Grayson and Feingold then, too, if you remember.

[sabrina 1]

5. Who would that be?? I hope this isn't the false claim

that Dems sat out the election. Are you talking to Independents because that is who sat out that election due to their disappointment after they went out in 2008 and helped elect Democrats to the Senate, the WH and Congress.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

19. Rec

[Mojorabbit]

66. It seems the group got a new talking point. I have seen several posts

saying the exact same thing. Thanks for setting the record straight.

[Laelth]

6. Spare us the lefty-bashing, please.

Can't we be nice to one another for a single day?



-Laelth

And, as I am sure you know, over 90% of DU posters are political junkies who vote no matter what, so you're doing nothing more than venting and preaching to the lefty-hating crowd.

[winter is coming]

8. I'm calling bullshit on that.

First off, the Dems who didn't turn out in '10 after voting in '08 were casual voters. The folks who hang around DU are hell-yeah-I'm-turning-out-for-the-runoff-election-for-dogcatcher voters. You're not even lecturing the right people.

Second: this shutdown is doing a shit-ton of damage to the Republicans. Even if I had stayed home in '10 (which I didn't, see point 1), this turn of events is the last thing that would make me regret it.

[we can do it]

11. You are so right. The gerrymandered clusterfuck is a direct result of not taking elections seriously

[Bandit]

12. Just who are you aiming your thread toward? Do you ACTUALLY KNOW anyone that

sat out the 2010 election on purpose? I know of no one but then again I and most of my friends are politically active.

[leftyohiolib]

22. there is someone in this thread that is already thinking of not voting in 2014

here's liberal_at_heart - s/he says
I voted democrat in 2010. Can't guarantee I will do the same in 2014. I'm an ex democrat, now independent. Give me some good democratic candidates to vote for and I will vote for them. The blame game will not work on me. If there are no good candidates to vote for in 2014 and I don't vote you can try and blame me all you want. If you think I care what you think of me, you are sadly mistaken.

[liberal_at_heart]

29. that's right. I have voted straight democratic ticket for 19 years.

I have seen my son suffer under an education system that is severely underfunded and crappy Race to the Top and Common Core Standard Curriculum which the democratic party supports. You get me some democratic candidates that will repeal Race to the Top and Common Core Standard Curriculum and restore funding to our public education system and I will vote democrat. My vote is no longer guaranteed. Democrats will have to earn my vote from now on.

[leftyohiolib]

87. im sure the republicans will do ALL of that just for you

[Whisp]

32. I've read hundreds of those types of posts here over the years.

last straw!!!, the party left me!!! not me them, I voted dem since I was 3!!!! but Obama lost me, not even holding my nose no more!!! last straw!!! no difference between Bush and Obama!!!

and a few that are slobbering at the thought of 'bringing it all down' to start over. The Apocalypto nutzsoes that are probably giddy with anticipation at the havoc that can be created by the pugs and bags.

either they are big liars or someone/s is not paying attention.

[LondonReign2]

13. Liberals are bad, let's move to the right faster

democrats will win elections by being center-right, why can't we all be good sensible woodchucks blah blah blah.

[Skittles]

78. STOP IT LONDONREIGN2

[DURHAM D]

14. Oh great... Another fact free OP.

Actually it isn't fact free, it is false.

[SomethingFishy]

16. You know, the past couple of days have been kind of nice around here..

You know it looked from my perspective, like there was way less animosity.

Then I come here and the first two posts are "this is all your fault you far lefties".

Try blaming the fucking Republicans and Tea Baggers.

[Fumesucker]

18. Pragmatic sensible centrists cannot fail

They can only be failed.

[bvar22]

91. CENTRISM!

[font size=3]Centrism....because its so damned EASY!
You don't have to STAND for ANYTHING,
and get to insult those who DO![/font]





[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font][/center] [center] [center] [/font]
[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center][/font]


You will know them by their [font size=3]WORKS.[/font]

[leftyohiolib]

85. "this is all your fault you far lefties". that is not what i said try rereading with less animosity

btw i do blame the teatards but they got there b/c dems sat out the 2010. so let's not repeat it in 2014

[AnotherMcIntosh]

20. It looks like you're not having much success with your liberal bashing today. Maybe another day.

[leftyohiolib]

21. im not liberal bashing - but thanks for playing

[Rex]

24. Of course you are...and got called on it.

Don't feel bad, you join a list of others today with their hair on fire over bad PR for the GOP.

[leftyohiolib]

88. at first i thought i'm not bashing liberals but i guess i am but bashing those that sat out the 2010

and allowed all the teatards to get in, and they deserve it. just b/c we're liberals doesnt mean we're immune from criticism

[Rex]

95. But it was not liberals that sat out, why do you spread that lie?

Believe me there are fellow DUers that will gladly encourage you to spread the lie.

[tkmorris]

26. You posted a demonstrably false OP

Blaming Liberals for the House Republican majority and thus the shutdown.

But no, you aren't bashing anyone.

Nope, not at all.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

28. Sure, sure.

[Rex]

25. This is the 4th or 5th thread in a row to do so.

You think they all get together first? I doubt it is a coincidence. I've never seen a group so panicky over bad PR numbers for the GOP. Ever.

[Rex]

23. Pointing this out to people that voted in 2010?

Nah, just stirring the shit like so many other threads today. YAWN. I wish you guys would come up with something original. The hair on fire threads now make sense...the GOP has taken a huge PR blow and I can understand how this has you guys in a full on panic.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

30. Yes, something origional would be more interesting.

[Rex]

31. I mean, after 5 threads of the exact same crap

you would think one of them could get a spark of originality. Nah.

[msanthrope]

33. Remember all the posters who were sitting out 2010 because of their 'disappointments?' Ratfucking

101.

[Rex]

34. Which posters would that be?

nt.

[msanthrope]

35. Ye shall know them by their lamentations. nt

[Rex]

36. Ratfucking.

Indeed.

[msanthrope]

37. You Better Believe It!!! nt

[Rex]

38. Was BBI one that sat out in 2010?

NT.

[msanthrope]

41. You think BBI was one poster? I think that is a callow view. nt

[Rex]

42. So that would be a no?

Ratfucking...not just for breakfast anymore!

[msanthrope]

45. You seem rather concerned with my opinion of a banned troll. Why? nt

[Rex]

47. Well you brought up Ratfucking.

A RWing meme if there ever was one...just thought it funny is all.

[msanthrope]

53. Be careful...the last time I used the word 'ratfucking' I was accused of

homophobia and even Skinner shook his head on that concern alerting. So you let me know if you get alerted on, because not everyone has studied Watergate.

[Rex]

61. Oh, now I see why you brought up BBI!

Weekly Standard called Woodward "the best pure reporter of his generation, perhaps ever."

[msanthrope]

62. Woodward was and is Naval Intelligence. nt

[Rex]

96. Really doesn't have anything to do with the OP

but okay.

[JI7]

73. BBI was a Right Winger, he voted for Republicans

[Rex]

98. And you know this how?

Just like the other poster? Making stuff up without any kind of a link to proof?

[joshcryer]

70. +1

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

39. That's true...

But voter turnout in off-year elections has always been a problem for Democrats. Many of our constituent groups (minorities and young voters, particularly) tend to vote in presidential election years and don't come back for the mid-terms.

Back when the Republican Party had members who were comparatively sane and reasonable, this wasn't too much of a problem. We're in somewhat uncharted territory here, where one bad election spells disaster.

We all have to a better job at getting our people to the polls in 2014.

[Blue Idaho]

40. Bullshit False Equivalence.

There is only one place to lay blame and that is the teapublican party. Those elections did NOT sweep a majority of teabaggers into office. They are a minority of the GOP in DC. The fact that they now hold a stranglehold on the GOP has more to do with outside money and primary challenges than anything any Democrat did in 2010.

[Rex]

43. You have to understand, some here hate the Left with just as much passion

as the GOP does...just read this thread for more clues.

[cthulu2016]

44. Take the word "does" out of your reply and it's even closer to the mark.

[Rex]

48. Good point, you've been blowing these memes out of the water

today!

[Blue Idaho]

50. No Kidding.

Its a pity anyone would attack liberals on this board. If you took the comments on this board to any other civilized country in the world, even the most "wild eyed" liberal here would be considered a moderate if not conservative voice.

[truebrit71]

46. Bullshit.

But thanks for playing!!!

[Egalitarian Thug]

49. Dupe # 438

Still wrong...

[joeybee12]

51. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...unrec

[JHB]

52. And who did that, exactly?

I don't mean who huffed and puffed about it on an internet message board, I mean who actually sat it out. What are the real numbers?

How do they compare to the drop-off that is unfortunately inevitable in years without a presidential election to provide coat tails?

[yuiyoshida]

55. I always vote

eom

[Tarheel_Dem]

56. K&R

[polichick]

57. How about on Dem leaders who put special interest profits...

...over the voters who worked hard to elect them?

I don't blame the voters for feeling betrayed.

[TBF]

58. LOL - good try Skippy ...

NOT.

So where do you get off coming to a democratic party site and bashing liberals?

[LondonReign2]

59. Those that sat out?

Independents you mean?

[kestrel91316]

60. You of the "lefty" and "lib" name, from OHIO, no less........

Go blame somebody else. We aren't responsible for this mess.

But you already knew that, right?

[leftyohiolib]

63. when dems vote dems win - i do blame others i blame the republicans but

those who sat out allowed the teatards in and if we don't accept that we're doomed to re- live it next time things don't go our way fast enough.I was here in 2010 and I remember the lamenting about doma, dadt, gitmo etc....none of it was done fast enough he caved on single payer etc....

[Bluenorthwest]

64. State of Oregon had record breaking midterm turnout in 2010. Elected a bunch

of Democrats. Not sure what you were doing there in Ohio. Ohio often confuses me.

[TroglodyteScholar]

67. I wish I believed we might learn from 2010 and what we're living with now...

But I can see that many of us won't accept that not voting for our candidates amounts to voting for theirs....

Edit: For those screaming BULLSHIT, do you not remember all the pouting on here about how Obama hadn't righted all the wrongs of the world quickly enough, and the party was just a big disappointment in what it had done so far...Fuck yes there were people on DU who sat it out in 2010, and they have plenty of reason to be deeply ashamed right now.

[Autumn]

72. I don't know one damn person, not a single one who sat it out in 2010.

[Scuba]

74. Over half of all potential voters sat out in 2010. Maybe if we offered them something like ....

... Medicare for All, including dental, optical and hearing aids

... Strengthening and expanding Social Security

... Living wage

... Legalized pot

... Big cuts to defense/homeland/spy agency spending

... Increasing taxes on the wealthy


Not only would traditional Democratic voters show up, but so would tens of millions of the currently disaffected. We have to stand for something besides "not the Republican".

[randome]

75. Republicans are to blame for the shutdown.

No one else.

But I get your point.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

[durablend]

76. Another "know nothing" for my ignore file...bye n/t

[leftyohiolib]

94. why do people tell you theyre putting you on ignore, like anyone gives a shit. stick your head in

the sand ostrich my horrifying words wont reach you there

[ForgoTheConsequence]

77. Another blame liberals first thread?

Great. Definitely beneficial in 2013 when right wing terrorists are holding the government hostage. Very constructive, good job.

[leftyohiolib]

79. yep me and stephanie miller are blame liberals firsters. the r.w.t. got there to do this damage

cause dems stayed home in 2010. i know truth hurts but 2014 is coming.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

81. So you're just parroting ideas from a talking head?

Great, fantastic. A party of right wing fascists has a gun to this countries head and all you can do is direct your hatred towards members of your own party. Good job, very constructive.

[leftyohiolib]

84. i heard that on her show this am i listen to her podcasts a day later so she said this on the

1st of october i didnt hear it till today . i believe this is constructive reminding people one of the ways we got here so hopfully more dems will vote next election. i'd call that very constructive. just b/c a little truth is hurting you doesnt make this non-constructive.
btw we handed them the gun by sitting out the 2010 election

[Rex]

97. But that was a lie, oh well

just keep on lying for a M$M mouthpeice since you don't do your own research on the subject. How Foxnews-ish of you.

[LWolf]

82. Not voting the way you want them to

is not the same thing as not voting at all.

A vote, and whether to use it or not, is a choice, right? Democrats support choice.

I voted in 2010. As always.

You are "pointing this out" because you want to attack and blame DUers whom you disagree with.

[Doctor_J]

89. Or those so-called representatives who failed to convince voters they were working for them

If you govern like a Republican, why would you expect Dems to vote for you?

[LostOne4Ever]

90. Ummmm

You do know that this is the result of the house right? The house is voted upon every 2 years. You should be saying 2012 and last I saw we gained seats in the house.

In fact, had it not been for Republican Gerrimandering we would have won the house; and the members of congress pulling this shit are all from BRIGHT red districts. So blame is squarely on the rethugs, no need for the divisive tactics.

Also, you can not hold people responsible for the actions of politicians they also did not vote for. Rather than trying to inflame people why don't you try to use this to emphasize the need to get out and vote democrat in 2014 so that we can retake the house and keep the senate.

Insulting and pissing off people is a horrible way of persuading them.

[Rex]

99. There is a tiny group here that bash liberals as much as the GOP does.

I will let you guess as to why.