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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 08:43 AM Sep 2013

The punishment was death by stoning. The crime? Having a mobile phone

This barbaric form of execution is on the rise, and campaigners are calling on the UN to act
EMMA BATHA

Two months ago, a young mother of two was stoned to death by her relatives on the order of a tribal court in Pakistan. Her crime: possession of a mobile phone.

Arifa Bibi's uncle, cousins and others hurled stones and bricks at her until she died, according to media reports. She was buried in a desert far from her village. It's unlikely anyone was arrested. Her case is not unique. Stoning is legal or practised in at least 15 countries or regions. And campaigners fear this barbaric form of execution may be on the rise, particularly in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq.

Women's rights activists have launched an international campaign for a ban on stoning, which is mostly inflicted on women accused of adultery. They are using Twitter and other social media to put pressure on the United Nations Secretary General, Ban Ki-moon, to denounce the practice.

"Stoning is a cruel and hideous punishment. It is a form of torturing someone to death," said Naureen Shameem of the international rights group Women Living Under Muslim Laws. "It is one of the most brutal forms of violence perpetrated against women in order to control and punish their sexuality and basic freedoms."

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/special-report-the-punishment-was-death-by-stoning-the-crime-having-a-mobile-phone-8846585.html

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The punishment was death by stoning. The crime? Having a mobile phone (Original Post) n2doc Sep 2013 OP
Even worse is the fact that her own family were the ones who killed her. MrsKirkley Sep 2013 #1
Family honor trumps any 'love' HipChick Sep 2013 #4
True. It is unimaginable to our way of thinking. nt Live and Learn Sep 2013 #24
Where the enforcement of international norms? dkf Sep 2013 #2
this PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #3
There's no money in it. obxhead Sep 2013 #9
When do we start calling the treatment of women in these cultures a Holocaust? MH1 Sep 2013 #5
I absolutely agree with you. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2013 #11
I think femicide is a better label than holocaust cali Sep 2013 #20
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #6
See that list of countries? MattSh Sep 2013 #7
As much as I despised our military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan, Jenoch Sep 2013 #13
What does that have to do with this centuries-old practice Ilsa Sep 2013 #15
Humans Are Truly A Barbaric Species cantbeserious Sep 2013 #8
Yes. That is the root of the problem. MoonRiver Sep 2013 #10
I hope the UN does something about this in backward countries, and Cleita Sep 2013 #12
Just what is the UN going to do? They are powerless without the US 7962 Sep 2013 #17
It empowers the UN to institute sanctions against the offending Cleita Sep 2013 #21
True, but how many times has that actually worked? 7962 Sep 2013 #22
Seems Iran is making overtures to us because of the sanctions Cleita Sep 2013 #25
And Pakistan has a nuclear arsenal Faygo Kid Sep 2013 #14
We are living in the Dark Ages Shankapotomus Sep 2013 #16
We aren't. A HERETIC I AM Sep 2013 #23
Ha! So true Shankapotomus Sep 2013 #29
And they have nuclear weapons? kentuck Sep 2013 #18
Her *crime* was being female in a medieval part of the world. lpbk2713 Sep 2013 #19
The rising ultra-RW in the US calls for a return to stoning and other laws kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #26
Stop the bullshit leftynyc Sep 2013 #31
Of course they are not PUBLICLY calling for it. They are too smart for that. kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #33
What are the names leftynyc Sep 2013 #34
Damn it... I just read a journal article on this I now can't find Recursion Sep 2013 #27
Betcha they made the kids watch the atrocity. jsr Sep 2013 #28
Ugh. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #30
When I saw the title of this OP . . . Brigid Sep 2013 #32

MrsKirkley

(180 posts)
1. Even worse is the fact that her own family were the ones who killed her.
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 09:17 AM
Sep 2013

Apparently they never loved her. Otherwise, they could've never followed through with it, no matter what the "tribal court" ordered.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
4. Family honor trumps any 'love'
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 09:29 AM
Sep 2013

Besides female children are seen as burdens with no worth in this countries

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
3. this
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 09:27 AM
Sep 2013

I can not believe than stoning occurs in this day and age. I feel sickened to the soul thinking about that this woman went through.

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
9. There's no money in it.
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 10:51 AM
Sep 2013

Can't label it as a WMD triggering the pounding of war drums by the 1% and their stooges in the government.

MH1

(17,600 posts)
5. When do we start calling the treatment of women in these cultures a Holocaust?
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 09:41 AM
Sep 2013

Does it only count as a Holocaust if it is genocide?

I'm sure the body count of women brutally killed, tortured, and enslaved is well over 6 million over the course of history.

With no disrespect intended to the Nazi-inflicted Holocaust, but this is something I've been wondering for a while now.

Really, we need a label for these crimes. "Misogyny" is too hard to spell, too hard to say, and already allocated to rather less brutal actions.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
11. I absolutely agree with you.
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 11:15 AM
Sep 2013

Femicide, maybe...but that still doesn't capture the enormity nor the evil of the problem.

Stoning, acid attacks, gang rapes, serial killings....

Males who harm women have poor skills at coping with sexual frustation and lack of control in life. It's not one centralized entity committing these crimes; it's many individuals acting out the human tendency for the strong to take from and vanqish the weak-- to take what they want. That and the complicating factor of sexual urge makes it so much more difficult to address coherently.

Too common that males are raised with special treatment and freedoms not given to females. They learn attitudes like entitlement and violent reactions to frustration. They learn to externalize aggression onto targets whom they can get away with hurting: Women/girls.

Basically, too many societies blame the victim and do not teach and reinforce the concept that women are people--and that men are responsible for their actions.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
20. I think femicide is a better label than holocaust
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 11:56 AM
Sep 2013

Femicide or Feminicide is broadly defined as the killing of women but definitions vary depending on the cultural context. Feminist author Diana E. H. Russell is one of the early pioneers of the term, and she currently defines the word as "the killing of females by males because they are females." Other feminists place emphasis on the intention or purpose of the act being directed at females specifically because they are female; others include the killing of females by females when the murder is done in the name of male-centered views. Most emphasize the idea that the murders are motivated, directly or indirectly, by misogynist and sexist motives. Often, the necessity of defining the murder of females separately from overall homicide is questioned. Opponents argue that over 80% of all murders are of men, so the term places too much emphasis on the less prevalent murder of females. An alternative term offered is gendercide which is more ambiguous and inclusive. However, feminists argue that the term gendercide perpetrates the taboo of the subject of the murder of females. Feminists also argue that the motives for femicide are vastly different than those for homicide. Instead of centering in street violence, much of femicide is centered within the home.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femicide

Response to n2doc (Original post)

MattSh

(3,714 posts)
7. See that list of countries?
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 09:50 AM
Sep 2013

And campaigners fear this barbaric form of execution may be on the rise, particularly in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq.

Countries that the USA are all at war with. Or have been at war with. And if you think we're not at war in Pakistan, see this...

http://drones.pitchinteractive.com/

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
13. As much as I despised our military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan,
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 11:23 AM
Sep 2013

it is ridiculous to blame the U.S. for the culture that allows stoning people to death. That practice has been used for centuries.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
15. What does that have to do with this centuries-old practice
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 11:40 AM
Sep 2013

of torture? Yeah, maybe there is more hopelessness in men there because of the wars, but that does not justify torturing and murdering women for basic freedoms and for being female. Simply dropping out of those countries won't improve women's lives there. That change must come from within, including legally banning these practices upon pain of incarceration.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
12. I hope the UN does something about this in backward countries, and
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 11:19 AM
Sep 2013

I'm talking two thousand years ago backwards. Of course if we still practice capital punishment, we don't have much to talk about.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
17. Just what is the UN going to do? They are powerless without the US
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 11:43 AM
Sep 2013

Heck, half the countries IN the UN have some sort of awful treatment of women accepted as "normal". What do you expect the UN to do? Form a commission to study it? Never get sanctions passed because a lot of member countries dont want scrutiny either.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
21. It empowers the UN to institute sanctions against the offending
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 12:03 PM
Sep 2013

countries. This affects the elites in those countries, who often will make the changes required either by policy, influence or even force. It's a start and better than doing nothing.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
22. True, but how many times has that actually worked?
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 11:59 PM
Sep 2013

Iran has had sanctions on them for years. Hurts the regular folks not the elites.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
25. Seems Iran is making overtures to us because of the sanctions
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 12:19 AM
Sep 2013

so it may be slow but seems to have some effect. It's better than bombing them to smithereens IMHO.

Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
14. And Pakistan has a nuclear arsenal
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 11:31 AM
Sep 2013

I believe if a nuclear bomb is detonated in a populous area, it will come from Pakistan or North Korea, and most likely Pakistan. We live in deadly times.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
29. Ha! So true
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 05:07 AM
Sep 2013

Most concise and yet profoundly truthful alternative observation I have seen on DU yet!

If I could recommend a non-comical reply for a DUzy this one would be it!

I gladly stand corrected!

lpbk2713

(42,757 posts)
19. Her *crime* was being female in a medieval part of the world.
Sun Sep 29, 2013, 11:47 AM
Sep 2013



Let's face it. Their calendar is 400 years behind the rest of us.


 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
26. The rising ultra-RW in the US calls for a return to stoning and other laws
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 12:22 AM
Sep 2013

from Leviticus.

Call them Dominionists, Christian Reconstructionists, Talibornagains, Teabaggers, John Birchers, whatever - they don't want folks to know that they support this, but every once in a while one of them lets their mask slip.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
31. Stop the bullshit
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 05:25 AM
Sep 2013

There is not one elected official anywhere in this country that has called for stoning women because they have cell phones, or for any other reason. Saying there are 10 nobodies who wouldn't mind this is not the same - or even close - to this being the LAW - to this punishment being carried out by family members. There isn't one elected official here. Not one. Stop the bullshit...just stop.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
33. Of course they are not PUBLICLY calling for it. They are too smart for that.
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 01:41 PM
Sep 2013

But the religious right in the US is enthusiastically in favor of a return to Levitical law and all that it means.

Wearing blinders isn't helpful. And these people are counting on folks like you being blind to their real intentions.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
34. What are the names
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 01:50 PM
Sep 2013

of people who have told you that's what they want? Have you sneaked into any of their meetings? Just what are they saying privately (and why haven't you turned on a recording device) that you have overheard?

Or - are you just being hysterical and trying to take away from the horror of this crime by saying someone, somewhere in this country would surely do the same exact thing except for......I don't know - laws, perhaps?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
27. Damn it... I just read a journal article on this I now can't find
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 12:39 AM
Sep 2013

Anyways, the gist was that women's access to mobile technology is the most disruptive technological force to patriarchal tribal societies, pretty much ever, and that we're witnessing a backlash against it. Oddly, the widespread economic benefits of women's access to mobile technology are quite explicitly acknowledged by those opposing it; the model they are presenting is that it's a bribe from "Western" forces to try to undermine the family. Nonetheless, women's access to mobile technology continues to grow despite horrific acts like this. If I can find that article finally I'll post it; it was really interesting.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
32. When I saw the title of this OP . . .
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 07:56 AM
Sep 2013

My first thought was that the victim was probably female. Bingo.

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