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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 04:02 PM Feb 2012

Ralph Nader was pushing Americans Elect (updated)

Video: http://video.msnbc.msn.com/jansing-and-co/46572542/#46572542

Transcript:

>> well, it depends who the candidate is, but they could bring to the table stronger law enforcement on the wall street type crime, fraud and abuse. change the tax code to tax pollution and speculation on wall street before it taxes workers. it could increase the living wage. it could move for electoral reform so that the voters have more choice, and they get the expectation levels raised. without higher voter expectation levels, you don't get higher performance from the politicians, and what americans elect us doing works this way. if you happen to like the candidate whose record stands for the well-being of workers and consumers and small taxpayers and peace abroad and bringing the soldiers back home go to americans elect.org and vote for me for example, and this is what is go on right now. there are internet voting for candidates, and sometime by may or june, that's the winner is going to be selected and they are going to have 50 states. the ballot access, chris.

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>> no, first of all, spoil ser is a politically bigoted word to use since both of to parties have spoiled our electoral and political system. i think it is competition and new ad jen das and ideas supported by a larger number of the american people like full medicare for all, and above all, it respects the voters by raising their expectation level, and that is the history of the small parties when they came on board in 19th century when they came on board for slavery and women's right to vote, and labor and improvement, and they never won an election, but they pushed the american people's party to respect the american people. and watch that website americans elect.org.


Americans Elect is a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization that is not affiliated with any political party, ideology or candidate. It is funded exclusively by individual contributions—and not from corporate, labor, special interest, foreign, or lobbyist sources. And we intend to repay our initial financing so that no single individual will have contributed more than $10K.

Ultimately, Americans Elect is the first nominating process that will be led directly by voters like YOU.

http://www.americanselect.org/who-we-are




Leadership (partial list)

Lynn Forester
de Rothschild

CEO, E.L. Rothschild

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Mark McKinnon

President, Maverick Media; former Advisor to President George W. Bush and Senator John McCain

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Douglas Schoen

Douglas E Schoen LLC; Author and Commentator

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Edward L. Weidenfeld

The Weidenfeld Law Firm, PC; former counsel to the Reagan Bush Campaign


Sheila Rabb Weidenfeld

President, DC Productions Ltd; Press Secretary to former First Lady Betty Ford


The Honorable
Christine Todd Whitman

Former Governor, New Jersey; President, The Whitman Strategy Group


Updtaed to add: Also note the two names names Nader mentions in the clip:

Buddy Romer:



http://www.scribd.com/doc/73226294/2012-Presidential-Candidate-Comparison-Chart


David Walker:

David M. Walker (born October 2, 1951) served as United States Comptroller General from 1998 to 2008, and is Founder and CEO of the Comeback America Initiative. He was considered a potential contender for the Connecticut U.S. Senate seat that Joe Lieberman is leaving in 2012, but chose not to run, and said he would maintain his status as an independent. Similarly, he has been promoted as a potential candidate for President, through Americans Elect.

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Walker served as Comptroller General of the United States and head of the Government Accountability Office (GAO) from 1998 to 2008. Appointed by President Bill Clinton, his tenure as the federal government's chief auditor spanned both Democratic and Republican administrations. While at the GAO, Walker embarked on a Fiscal Wake-up Tour,[1] partnering with the Brookings Institution, the Concord Coalition, and the Heritage Foundation to alert Americans to wasteful government spending.[2] Walker left the GAO to head the Peterson Foundation on March 12, 2008.[3] Labor-management relations became fractious during Walker's nine-year tenure as comptroller general. On September 19, 2007, GAO analysts voted by a margin of two to one (897–445), in a 75% turnout, to establish the first union in GAO's 86-year history.

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In 2008, Walker was personally recruited by Peter G. Peterson, co-founder of the Blackstone Group, and former Secretary of Commerce under Richard Nixon, to lead his new foundation. The Foundation distributed the documentary film, I.O.U.S.A.,[4] which follows Walker and Robert Bixby, director of the Concord Coalition, around the nation, as they engage Americans in town-hall style meetings, along with luminaries such as Warren Buffett, Alan Greenspan, Paul Volcker and Robert Rubin.

Peterson was cited by the New York Times as one of the foremost "philanthropists whose foundations are spending increasing amounts and raising their voices to influence public policy."[5] In philanthropy, Walker has advocated a more action-based approach to the traditional foundation: “I do believe, however, that foundations have been very cautious and somewhat conservative about whether and to what extent they want to get involved in advocacy.”[6] David Walker stepped down as President and CEO of the Peter G. Peterson Foundation on October 15, 2010 to establish his own venture, the Comeback America Initiative

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_M._Walker_(U.S._Comptroller_General)

Reminds me of when Nader threw out Bloomberg's name: http://www.politickerny.com/2011/10/11/ralph-nader-wants-mike-bloomberg-to-run-for-president/
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Ralph Nader was pushing Americans Elect (updated) (Original Post) ProSense Feb 2012 OP
He's probably campaigning to be their Presidential candidate...nt SidDithers Feb 2012 #1
Supposedly, Olympia Snowe is going to join up, too. MADem Feb 2012 #2
Of all the ProSense Feb 2012 #6
...to have a third party candidate whether it is bud ldy croamer or walker or whoever... nt MADem Feb 2012 #7
Yeah, he ProSense Feb 2012 #8
Absolutely indicative of a very serious and possibly world-shattering conspiracy. LanternWaste Feb 2012 #9
Actually, ProSense Feb 2012 #10
President Obama EC Feb 2012 #3
Well, they have to have some kind of fig leaf to cover their BS. nt TheWraith Feb 2012 #5
They'll ProSense Feb 2012 #11
I don't freakin' care. calimary Feb 2012 #4
It's ProSense Feb 2012 #12
EEEK!!! Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #13
Which ProSense Feb 2012 #15
I understand that Bernie Sanders has been nominated. Also, a guy named Barack Obama. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #17
But ProSense Feb 2012 #19
Promoted or mentioned? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #20
Why ProSense Feb 2012 #21
I'm not arguing their purpose of promoting moderates. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #22
Well ProSense Feb 2012 #23
How does anyone keep falling for Nader's crap? If he had any interest in doing anything other than. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2012 #14
Well, ProSense Feb 2012 #16
Do you think his "liberal" supporters have ever given thought to the fact that Ralph may, indeed, be Tarheel_Dem Feb 2012 #18
Thanks for the info. blue neen Feb 2012 #24

MADem

(135,425 posts)
2. Supposedly, Olympia Snowe is going to join up, too.
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 04:07 PM
Feb 2012

The agenda is said to be slightly right of the current administration.

Makes you wonder why old "Look at MEEEEE" Ralphie is up in there....

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
9. Absolutely indicative of a very serious and possibly world-shattering conspiracy.
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 04:43 PM
Feb 2012

Absolutely indicative of a very serious and possibly world-shattering conspiracy. Certainly can't be anything else...

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
10. Actually,
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 04:48 PM
Feb 2012

"Absolutely indicative of a very serious and possibly world-shattering conspiracy."

It's indicative of who he supports, that's all.

About 5 mins. into the Roemer clip, he says:

Thank God for the tea party...and thank God for Paul Ryan and the Republican Party and Steve King and others.

Not my kind of candidate.

EC

(12,287 posts)
3. President Obama
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 04:14 PM
Feb 2012

is one of their candidates...how does that work? This is a group of hedgefund/moderate repubs. They are pretty much a rightwing 1% sham.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
11. They'll
Reply to EC (Reply #3)
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 05:06 PM
Feb 2012

"This is a group of hedgefund/moderate repubs. They are pretty much a rightwing 1% sham."

...no doubt push a right-leaning candidate for 2016.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
17. I understand that Bernie Sanders has been nominated. Also, a guy named Barack Obama.
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 07:36 PM
Feb 2012

As I did in '08 I'll be voting for the most progressive, anti-war, candidate on the ballot.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
19. But
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 08:04 PM
Feb 2012
I understand that Bernie Sanders has been nominated. Also, a guy named Barack Obama.

As I did in '08 I'll be voting for the most progressive, anti-war, candidate on the ballot.

...Nader didn't mention Sanders. It's clear you don't agree with Nader in promoting Roemer or Walker as possible Americans Elect candidates.


 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
20. Promoted or mentioned?
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 08:08 PM
Feb 2012

In the clip I watched he mentioned some names. Hardly a "promotion".

As I see it, the group is more aimed at moderates in both establishment parties than the left. Obama, rather than Nader, would be a better fit with them.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
21. Why
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 08:15 PM
Feb 2012
Promoted or mentioned?

In the clip I watched he mentioned some names. Hardly a "promotion".

As I see it, the group is more aimed at moderates in both establishment parties than the left. Obama, rather than Nader, would be a better fit with them.

...on earth would he mention them if he isn't promoting them?

>> i don't think so. president obama said the other day, there is no quick fix to the high gas prices, well, there are a few. you stop your people from constantly threatening iran. that is another whole story, and ron paul has it right on that, and that deals with counter belligerent language and then the mercantile exchange speculators increased the price of gasoline for millions of american motorists and that is one way to dampen the price of gasoline. and establish more competition. and americans elect which has a vote which is under way now to have a third party candidate whether it is bud ldy croamer or walker or whoever, but it will change whatever works.


The transcript is a bit messed up, but he specifially said Buddy Roemer or David Walker in the clip.

Also, you seem to misunderstand the site. The group is not pushing Obama or Sanders, their names are on the list and visitors selected them.



 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
22. I'm not arguing their purpose of promoting moderates.
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 08:24 PM
Feb 2012

So what?

So do the Republican and Democratic parties when they're running moderates. Obama is a moderate and is being promoted by the Democratic Party.

Hell, IIRC from my viewing of the clip, Nader said that the group was aimed at moderates. It seems to me, if he was promoting anything, he was promoting political diversity rather than the entrenched 2 party system that now controls the country.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
23. Well
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 08:31 PM
Feb 2012
I'm not arguing their purpose of promoting moderates.

So what?

So do the Republican and Democratic parties when they're running moderates. Obama is a moderate and is being promoted by the Democratic Party.

Hell, IIRC from my viewing of the clip, Nader said that the group was aimed at moderates. It seems to me, if he was promoting anything, he was promoting political diversity rather than the entrenched 2 party system that now controls the country.

...it took a few tries, but I knew eventually the "so what?" excuse would pop up. I mean, everyone can see the similarities between "moderate" Obama and "moderate" Buddy Roemer, right?

Oh brother!

Nader is a tool!




Tarheel_Dem

(31,233 posts)
14. How does anyone keep falling for Nader's crap? If he had any interest in doing anything other than.
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 06:30 PM
Feb 2012

playing spoiler for the Repukes, he'd be drafting and running true progressives to take over local and state legislatures, grooming them to run for national office. He's a fraud who can be counted on to pop up every four years to create a little havoc for his Republican benefactors. Fuck him and his supporters.

The good news is that we don't have to walk on eggshells around him or his supporters, because he is every bit as much a political opponent as Ron Paul and the other GOP clowns. We can cuss 'em the hell out, and keep moving.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
16. Well,
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 07:19 PM
Feb 2012

all you have to do is ignore the many times he pushes Conservative Democratic/Republican candidates (Bloomberg, Roemer and Walker).

I mean, he could have at least said Bernie Sanders.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,233 posts)
18. Do you think his "liberal" supporters have ever given thought to the fact that Ralph may, indeed, be
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 07:58 PM
Feb 2012

a stealth Republican? At this point, nothing else makes sense to me. He has particular disdain for Democrats, which reminds me of a certain website which is home to a certain pedigree of "democrat". I'm sure you know the one I mean.

I think, at some point, he decided that if the Democratic Party wouldn't make him their nominee, he'd do everything in his power to destroy it. He has some really strange affiliations to say the least.

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