The fact that the admin is using death videos, not the actual satellite images and transcripts

[dkf]

they say underlines their case is frankly suspicious.

We know the sources, we have heard the admins summary and interpretation, so why can't we see it all for ourselves?

This is the heart of their evidential case, but no Senator, no Representative is allowed to see this?

I am curious if even Secretary Kerry has seen it or the President himself? Or has it been kept from them for plausible deniability.

They need to show what they have.

[Cleita]

1. True that. There is something fishy going on. n/t

[Demeter]

15. There's always something fishy going on

The unusual thing is: we are aware of it. Thanks to you, Manning, Snowden, Assange!

[Cryptoad]

24. I guess there is no possiblity

that the release of such intelligence would compromise the sources,,, you know classified for a good reason..... too bad Snowden is in Russia, maybe he could show us, heh?

[liberal_at_heart]

2. First NSA now Syria. The fact that Congress can't have access to information is terrifying.

[dkf]

3. The NSA experience was hugely informing...

They burned all the trust and credibility they had. It puzzles me why they have not figured this out yet.

[Marr]

4. Very much so. Their lite-on-data, emotional exhortations are reminding me of the Bush/Cheney years.

It does not inspire confidence. Couple that with their use of easily debunked, inflated claims (like the number of deaths), and assurances that strong arguments for military action exist but are classified, and the similarities are downright striking. I don't trust them at all.

[TroglodyteScholar]

5. Yep

If the public can't be convinced on the merits, perhaps appealing to emotion will do the trick...

Sleazy tactic.

[Cleita]

7. Actually, the same tactic the Nazis used for getting public support

to invade neighboring countries and round up and kill Jews. Really, the method is the same.

[Jackpine Radical]

13. Not just the Nazis.

We did some pretty horrific "Huns bayonetting babies" propaganda to get us into WWI, & the run-up to GWI featured Iraqis throwing preemie babies out of incubators to froth up the US public's outrage.

[Cleita]

17. Don't forget the Gulf of Tonkin incident that gave us Vietnam. n/t

[Jackpine Radical]

19. I haven't.

But it wasn't quite like bayoneting babies.

[dipsydoodle]

6. Using Youtube more like it.

.

[KoKo]

14. Media and Kerry himself said the videos came from "Social Media" (you tube, etc.)

I've been asking if anyone has seen verification of the videos. Could they have been planted. Compilation of dead from Iraq, Afganistan or other atrocities that were cobbled together along with whatever happened with the August 21st incident?

The numbers keep changing over those gassed and those who died. We know that videos can be distorted and without being able to examine them...how do we know who took them, when they were taken and of what war or what incident.

It's all very strange.

[dipsydoodle]

20. Whenever, and without fail, any our UK TV news channels

show any such clips they always carry the rider "we cannot verify this footage"

[dixiegrrrrl]

8. Lawmakers shown 'horrendous' video of alleged chemical attack in Syria

Lawmakers were shown a gruesome video depicting dozens of people killed by nerve gas as part of a classified, closed-door briefing Thursday laying out the Obama administration's case for action against Syrian President Bashar Assad.

Senate Intelligence Committee Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said the images-- a grim, "CIA meets CSI" presentation aimed to convince, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Assad bloodlessly killed more than 1,400 people, including over 400 children -- is what other members of Congress need to see if they're to be persuaded to vote to authorize strikes designed to punish Assad and deter him from using chemical weapons again.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/05/20343868-lawmakers-shown-horrendous-video-of-alleged-chemical-attack-in-syria?lite

[KoKo]

23. DiFi believed what she saw...Isn't she almost 80 years old?

Does she know about Photoshop and other resources? Did she ask for interview info of those who took these "horrendous, goulish" images that she saw on a DVD?

Did they have a Tech Expert with Clearance to verify these for Senate?

[scarletwoman]

26. DiFi will always vote for war, it makes her defense contractor husband richer.

DiFi sez, "roll the snuff footage!, let's get this (war) party started!"

[KoKo]

37. True!

[Downwinder]

9. JFK showed the missile pictures.

[blkmusclmachine]

10. But, why would they LIE to us,

again?

[Chaco Dundee]

18. why are you surprised?

They lie habitually.all politicians without exeption know from the day they set their eyes on that political carrier they must and will have to live a life of nothing but lies to be successful.it does come easy to them since they where raised that way.they even lie to themselfs by trying to believe that their wonderful convictions and their outstanding personallty got them into what ever office they are holding.under different circumstances and a different standing in societys ranks they would be considered criminals.

[adirondacker]

25. +100. It does appear to be a trait shared by most, if not all. nt

[Chaco Dundee]

34. it is a trait.

The worst thing is that they don't even lie well enough to not be caught.but since it is natural behavior for them,they cover that little problem with another lie.what a life,where one has to remember what one said.

[morningfog]

11. Especially tellingis how they 'released' videos to Congress and cable outlets that were already

in the public domain.

I think the word should not be that they released the videos, but rather promoted them.

[KoKo]

21. Anyone could put together a DVD of anything. Given the resources of our CIA

why couldn't they just cobble together something and stamp whatever they wanted on it?

This is just crazy. It's too easy to doctor photos and create videos these days why aren't these Congress and Senate Critters more savvy about the age of the internet and photoshop and the rest? Actually doctoring photos and videos goes way back ...it's just so much more sophisticated these days to hide the sources.

[malletgirl02]

12. Classified data

It is telling that the administration is fine with the the leaking of classified information when suites its goals.

[leveymg]

29. They can't even use that excuse. Much of it has been described in detail, as has its source: Israel

We wouldn't be revealing sources and methods, as those have already been published in the newspapers in the US, UK and Israel.

[Maedhros]

16. We should have learned by now that anyone pimping the same old tired propaganda

of "Think of the children!" is not to be trusted.

Present hard evidence or GTFO.

[lyonn]

32. As I recall from this latest video there was only 1 or 2

kids showns and the rest seemed to be young, military age men in distress.... Where were the women?.....the first photos we saw weeks ago showed more people in distress.... so what was the point of this video.... like it was total verification???

Why is the U.S. the only country that thinks Assad broke the rules of using deadly gasses on their "own people" or during wartime. Other countries that signed this treaty don't feel the need to punish him?

Edit: Obama, don't let the old DNC crowd cloud your "better instincts" when it comes to making a committment to bombing just to show "power". The repubs only want to get rid of you and as many Dems as possible and allow no votes like sequester, budget, etc. prior to 2016.

[99th_Monkey]

22. Yep. Either PUT UP the "evidence" or SHUT THE F*CK UP. nt

[davidn3600]

27. The trust us line just doesnt work anymore....

The American people are not stupid. The world is not stupid. This government has been caught in many lies. And it's not just Bush. Bush was part of it...Iraq may have been what broke the camel's back. But this goes back decades and then continues to even this very summer with the NSA scandal.

It is not a question. It is not a debate. This government has proven time and time again that they will lie right into your face. They will lie and deceive in front of other countries. They will lie in front of the UN. They will manipulate evidence. They have no respect for the nation's own laws. They have no respect for international law.

I understand the sensitive nature of intelligence gathering. However, the trust level for this government is probably the lowest its ever been in this nation's history. Polls show we are getting down to Watergate levels after the Snowden mess and then with Obama, Keith Alexander, and James Clapper all lying to our faces and to Congress.

So Im sorry.... But I join everyone else when I say......"PROVE IT!" Either show the evidence TO THE WORLD, or shut the fuck up.

[Ghost Dog]

28. "In London, Kerry countered Assad, saying "The evidence speaks for itself.""

/... http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/09/08/uk-syria-crisis-idUKBRE9860L420130908

Exactly, Mr. Kerry.

[center][/center]

[DeSwiss]

30. They lying and full of shit. n/t

[truedelphi]

40. And modern technology can sure help them:

[DeSwiss]

41. Too easily detected.

In the computer world, everything is perfect math.

- Not IRL......

[iamthebandfanman]

31. Yes, by all means

lets bring out 15 year old satellite images and a drawing of a truck like we did good ole Iraq...
Heck, worked on congress last time eh?

[Uncle Joe]

33. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, dkf.

[dkf]

36. Thanks for the rec.

[bbgrunt]

35. there is definitely something strange going on.

[KoKo]

38. If they need to show it...Then...WHY DON'T They?

That's what I want to know...

[dkf]

39. It makes zero sense.