Do you stand with the leader of the Democratic Party?

[baldguy]

Or do you stand with Rand Paul?

[DonCoquixote]

1. I stand with whoever stands with me

and I can walk over Obama and Paul if I need to, because standing with does not mean I let them walk over me.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

104. Apparently the OP wants us to stand with George W. Bush.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. What kind of dumb choice is that?

At this point, I don't stand with either of them.

[Ohio Joe]

8. ^^ This ^^

I love your wisdom Peggy

[CaliforniaPeggy]

13. Ah, thank you, my dear Joe!

I'm just so damned pissed off these days!

[Skittles]

26. MY DEAR MISS PEGGY!!!

YO GIRL!!!

[Aerows]

65. You need to deliver the OP

an ass-kicking.

[Skittles]

84. meh

standard variety nitwittery

[Aerows]

86. Brothers half, dim and shit.

A trio of foolishness, those "Wit" brothers.

[Warpy]

61. Me too

I'm especially pissed at all the false choices around here: either you want to turn Syria into a glass covered parking lot or you're a Randbot.

It's sickening.

It's also not working.

[Aerows]

69. Yer either with us

or agin' us!

I thought we did away with that saying after Iraq.

[RC]

155. Those that don't study history...

Except for the singers praising this, I don't see a lot of difference between this and the run up to Iraq.

[Warpy]

157. Days like these make me want to change my name to Cassandra

I tell people what's really going on and they don't seem to hear a world of it.

[fadedrose]

177. That should be a thread, Peg...

[tsuki]

77. It is not wisdom to stand up to bullying tactics. It's character. nt

[Aerows]

82. It is character to discern when one should

destroy because that is the last option left, or realize that destruction and killing are both an evil unto themself.

I see destruction with more to come in this situation.

[leftstreet]

21. +1

[baldguy]

22. Some people on DU see fit to impune the honesty, integrity & honor of the President, Sec Kerry

& their advisers, and they use the same language & tactics as the worst RW zealots - like Sen. Paul. These people are not our friends.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

36. I do not find that what Pres. Obama or Sec'y Kerry are doing HONORABLE at all.

And as for Rand Paul? Fuck him.

I do not understand what the motivation is for the Administration. War with Syria is wrong.

[prairierose]

41. CaliforniaPeggy, thank you for saying this.....

this is exactly what I think too. And I'm with you, I'm so pissed off about all of this I could scream or

But, mostly, I wanted to say thanks for saying what I was thinking and feeling.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

43. Thank YOU for telling me this...

Now I need to step away from the computer.....

[Aerows]

72. Me either

it's stacking horseshit on a foundation of horseshit and trying to tell people they had better see it as sculpture and not notice the smell or they aren't loyal to the party.

Guess what? Ultimately, I am loyal to my country, and the party can go fuck itself if it doesn't have the USA's best interests at heart, which getting mixed up in Syria is most definitely not in our best interests.

[Trailrider1951]

76. THIS ^^^^

times a million. Me, too, sweet heart

[Aerows]

79. I hope I stated it plainly enough

[LuvNewcastle]

152. Well said, Aerows.

[grasswire]

62. I think you mean "impugn" nt

[Aerows]

63. And some people just call a bad freaking idea

a bad freaking idea. I'm in that crowd, and could care less if Kerry and Obama don't join me there. It's a stupid idea for a number of reasons and that is why the American people don't want to get involved, either.

[Brigid]

161. Aerows, have I told you lately that I love you?

[Aerows]

175. I never get tired of hearing that :)

[Aerows]

92. Desiring to not get involved in the Syrian Civil war,

which is a pile of shit, isn't impugning the honor of anyone. It impugns common sense why we would even contemplate getting involved in the first place.

[Eleanors38]

117. Barack Obama is risking an LBJ fate. I don't think Obama will resign,

but he could leave office with a thoroughly soured base, and a discredited Democratic Party.

IMO, in the very near future there will be great demand for economic security, peace and leadership, and the Party as constituted is incapable of providing any of this.

Style is admirable, but increasingly short-lived -- even an encumbrance -- in these times.

[elehhhhna]

126. seems that was his mission all along

[Eleanors38]

134. Afraid so. The Party abhors the notion of leadership,

has gone corpoate, and WILL follow the doctrines and dictates of the national security state out of fear of it and ignorance of a better way.

We have one party which is aggressively -- and successfully -- pursuing an authoritarian state, and the other which is a flimsy bureaucracy-in-waiting, hoping the "other side" fucks up.

[QC]

27. No fair! You *have* to stand with one of them!! You HAVE to!

You just **HAVE** to! {sob}

[NuclearDem]

32. +100000

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

48. Wow. I thought that you would be one of the last to write such a thang.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

49. Even *I* have my limits, and today those limits were breached.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

53. What was the offending shot?

[CaliforniaPeggy]

54. Baldguy's whole post triggered me.

[Aerows]

101. I think invading Syria

and taking on a whole new Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan has more than a few people drawing a red line, and they have to step over it to get to the Pepto Bismal.

I'd have to have a historical lobotomy to support actions in Syria.

[Brigid]

52. And California Peggy for the thread win!

[Aerows]

60. Me, either

I don't care if Pol Pot is shrieking from his grave against intervention, I'd still be against intervention because it is a bad damned idea.

Because, baldly, no pun intended, I am staunchly against getting involved in this quagmire.

[Jackpine Radical]

80. Does the leader of the Democratic Party stand with me?

Ron Paul is irrelevant.

[suffragette]

122. Peggy, if it's ok I think I'll stand over there with you.

I share your view and think you expressed it well.

[deutsey]

146. I know...I actually laughed out loud at the OP when I opened it.

As if you absolutely MUST fall in line with one or the other.

At this point, Dylan's admonition "Don't follow leaders, watch the parking meters" is my mantra.

[blazeKing]

3. Neither

I don't stand with warmongers or bigots.

[NightWatcher]

4. Have you stopped beating your wife?

[cthulu2016]

5. Is there a "parody DU in 75 characters or less" contest?

[pscot]

20. A+

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

185. You win! (nt)

[winter is coming]

6. Why do I have to "stand" with anyone? I'm not in middle school. n/t

[wandy]

7. Have I just been told that.....

You are either with us or against us?

Funny, heard that one before.
Same answer.

Fuck You

[BuelahWitch]

10. I know, fucking deja vu all over the place these days...

[NightWatcher]

11. Hey, at least they are recycling right?

bottles, cans, war propaganda...

[840high]

107. oh yes!!!!

[HardTimes99]

183. Technically a violation of DU's ToS but I share the sentiment and am willing to

share whatever fate a DU Jury might deliver to you with you. In solidarity!

[wandy]

186. Typical if their is any question I will delete. BUT...........

Their are two things I don't ever want to hear again.

"You are either with us or against us"
"Watch what you say. Watch what you do."

Not anywhere, not from anyone.
The answer stands.

Although I support President Obama most of the time , that does not mean that my support is conscripted on every issue.

[HardTimes99]

189. I might only add a reprise from the 60s: "America, love it or leave it!". - nt

[Egalitarian Thug]

9. I stand for sanity and actions likely to result in helping Americans.

Your simplistic jingoism is as repulsive as was reagan's.

[Autumn]

12. I stand with my values and morals. I stand with neither the leader of the Democratic Party

or Rand Paul. If that's all you got, you got nothing. Oh and Fuck Rand Paul and the idiot who spawned him.

[ellenrr]

158. yep

[KamaAina]

14. Did your repuke brother-in-law stand with the leader of the Republican Party in 2003?

Or did he stand with Bernie Sanders?

[quinnox]

15. I firmly stand with Obama - "rushing headlong into a war unilaterally is a mistake"

starts at 1:06 seconds.

[Bolo Boffin]

94. There is nothing about this situation that is "rushing headlong

into a war unilaterally."

[Marr]

165. Compelling argument. /nt

[ellenrr]

159. do you realize the contradiction in your post?

You stand ag. unilateral war,
and
you stand with Obama

BUT Obama is pursuing unilateral war.

[BuelahWitch]

171. He/she is standing with IL Senator Obama

I think he might be a different guy from President Obama.

[Marr]

16. Wow, GW Bush has a DU handle. /nt

[leveymg]

17. I can't stand your push-poll question.

It's manipulative agit-prop.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

18. I love lamp!

I stand with lamp!

[smokey nj]

24. .....

[NuclearDem]

37. Do you really stand with lamp, or are you just saying that because you saw it?

[Fantastic Anarchist]

39. I love lamp. I love lamp.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

98. .

[mike_c]

19. to paraphrase the rude pundit....

I'll be having my Dutch apple a la mode.

[Skittles]

137. STOP IT MIKE_C

[Scootaloo]

23. I hope to see some more pit bull threads with you, Baldguy

'Cause I kinda miss agreeing with you about stuff and I'm starting to think that's all you and i can shake hands on

Here's an answer; I don't stand with John McCain, Lindsey Graham, AEI, AIPAC, or any of the other neocon shitwhip warmonger facades pumping for this war.

[NightWatcher]

30. neocon shitwhip warmonger facades.....

nice use of the language. I'm so borrowing "shitwhip" sometime

[Skittles]

25. LOL

yeah, it is that simple

[sendero]

83. "It's" not that simple..

... but there are a lot of simple people on this forum, a lot more than there used to be.

[woo me with science]

28. zeemike already answered you quite satisfactorily.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3594231

20. Oh well that does it then.

If Rand Paul is against it I am for it...and if he were for it I would be against it....because I am just that petty and stupid, and caught up in the cult of personalities.
Following the cult leader is the only morality I need...he can tell us what is right and wrong and all we have to do is believe in him.

I don't know if this is necessary but...

[Erose999]

31. By "leader of the Democratic Party" you mean Debbie Wasserman Schultz, head of the DNC. Has she

commented on Syria?

[PoliticAverse]

57. Yes indeed...

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/syria-crisis-update-debbie-wasserman-schultz-96185.html

[FreeState]

33. So there are only two choices?

Is this a GOP push poll?

[dawg]

34. I stand with Rand.

On this one issue. On most other issues I would stand with the President.

But I don't follow blindly.

And I don't put "party" above what I believe to be right.

[City Lights]

35. You're with us or against us, eh?

Where have I heard that before?

[G_j]

38. how's this OP workin' for ya?

[zappaman]

40. Fuck Ron Paul and...

his shitstain of a son too!

[Coyotl]

42. On Syria, I'm with whoever votes against US intervention!

[Savannahmann]

44. Oh good Lord

Why is it that once a week we get someone who decides it's time for a Loyalty Test? Why can't we stand with other Democrats? Democrats like Alan Grayson who is without a doubt a Democrat? Why must someone always come here and insist that any Democrats must line up behind someone who is doing something we don't like? Are we next going to be called upon to line up behind Filner of San Diego? Are all good Democrats going to have to line up and support Anthony Weiner?

I stand with Alan Grayson, Democratic Congressman of Florida. I stand with Hank Johnson, Democratic Congressman from Georgia. Both of who have spoken out against this action in Syria. I may stand with Elizabeth Warren, and I may stand with others, if they stand with principles and ideals I stand with.

[markpkessinger]

45. If you insist on playing this pathetic little game of straw men and false choices . . .

. . . then one could just as easily pose this question to you:

Do you stand with the leader of the Democratic Party because you support, in principle, war in Syria, permanent tax cuts for the wealthy, a switch to a chained-CPI basis for calculating Social Security benefit increases, the killing of innocents with the use of drones, the assassination of a 16-year-old American kid because of the actions of his terrorist father with no due process whatsoever, an unprecedented war on whistleblowers, etc., or do you support him merely because he is the Democratic Party?

There, see how easy it is to play this sophomoric game of logical fallacies?

[warrant46]

115. + 1

[badtoworse]

46. You really got scorched with this one!

[HardTimes99]

190. Actually, my impression is that the OP is a chickenshit cut-n-runner, running

away from his own OP, given the paucity of his responses herein. (Think I've only seen one response.)

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

47. I thought the choices were Obama vs PalinGingrichRomneyBoogeyman?

[polichick]

50. Or do you stand on your head?

[WillyT]

51. Who Would That Be ???

[alarimer]

55. Neither

False dichotomy.

No one speaks for me.

I am not in lock-step with anyone.

[Aerows]

56. I stand with anyone

that thinks intervening in Syria (read: go to war) is a bad idea. I don't give a shit if Satan came on the House floor and voted no. I'd vote with Satan.

[Warpy]

58. I stand with whomever is correct when he's correct.

My stand is issue based, not hero worship based.

And this thinly veiled post calling the vast majority here at DU Randbots has been duly noted.

[markpkessinger]

102. Thank you!

Well said!

[Marr]

167. +1, it's almost funny when they announce their motivations so flatly.

Nothing but loyalty to the boss. Ultimately, that's their only real motivation.

But don't say "authoritarian", because that's just so unfair.

[Dr Fate]

59. I stand with moderates like Cheney, Bush Jr, Boehner and McCain.

I certainly do not stand with that nut Rand Paul or his anti freedom allies on the far flung left.

I stand with Obama and the MODERATE Republicans who know he is Right to fight for freedom.

[ocpagu]

138. "I stand with moderates like Cheney, Bush Jr"

LMAO...

So moderate is a new word for war criminal?

[In_The_Wind]

191. Oy

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[LWolf]

66. Neither.

I don't stand with any politician. I take my stand on issues, not parties or personalities or so-called leaders.

[cherokeeprogressive]

67. Well today, I PROUDLY stand with CaliforniaPeggy.

And anyone else who says fuck OFF to the notion of intervening in Syria.

[Aerows]

74. I'm standing right beside you

and CaliforniaPeggy, my dear cherokeeprogressive, and don't give a damn who knows it!

[cherokeeprogressive]

85. I swear if I didn't read some of this stuff with my own eyes, I'd swear it wasn't true.

Today I heard Nancy Pelosi quote her five year old grandson... I almost fell out of my truck. If you haven't heard it you HAVE to look it up. What she claims a five year old says about Syria is so beyond the pale it's gotta be heard to be believed. A five year old.

We are truly living in interesting times. There is even a DUer who claims the ONLY injury possible to ANY American if we attack Syria is a paper cut to be suffered filling out "after-action reports". Forget that Incirlik Air Base in Turkey is within range of hundreds of Syrian missiles.

Hey... tomorrow my kid starts testosterone therapy in advance of gender reassignment.

[Aerows]

88. I wish your son the best

I remember us chatting about this and that you have struggled with doing the best you can as being supportive, and I'd say you are a pretty damn incredible parent.

I wish you both the very best .

[cherokeeprogressive]

91. Yeah, we're pretty excited about it.

[Aerows]

93. All the best to you

and your family, my friend

[gate of the sun]

68. I stand for what is best for my country and it's people

and that means not attacking Syria. I haven't posted on here in years, only lurking but THIS is worth saying. I don't stand for the head of the Democratic party nor Rand Paul and I resent that kind of pigeon holing the situation.

[DrDan]

70. good try . . . but failed

[Trailrider1951]

71. Who is the leader of the Democratic Party these days?

I haven't seen one in ages.......

[Eleanors38]

121. Buried, now some 68 yrs.

[Vashta Nerada]

73. Neither.

It's not always one or the other, you know.

[Generic Other]

75. And on days when Rand Paul puts on clothes

amazingly I sometimes put them on too, and what's more amazing is I make that decision totally independent of his decisions!

The either /or fallacy is the dumbest one in the logic book. Is that all you got?

[Th1onein]

78. Oh good grief. REALLY?

What is this, some kind of loyalty oath? Should we follow like good little sheep to our own slaughter? Are you serious?

We have a president that many of us worked very hard to get elected. FACT. That president has chosen to allow the NSA to spy on us wholesale. FACT. That president has lied on national television about the spying. FACT. That president has pardoned Bush and his cronies for war crimes. FACT. That president is working on a secret pact, TPP, which will effectively hand this country over to the corporations.
FACT. That president is now poised to start a THIRD war when the people at home, the ones who pay for the war, cannot afford to feed or house themselves.

Paul doesn't have a thing to do with it. Are you ready to trust this president anymore, at this point?

I'm not.

[David__77]

81. Do you stand with al Qaeda, or against al Qaeda?

...

[MelungeonWoman]

96. Serious people tell me that is just a quaint notion.

We lost 3,000 on 9/11 and another 5,000 troops before Obama took office. And now we are just going to switch sides and fight FOR Al Queda?


I don't even know what to fucking think anymore. It's mind boggling.

[warrant46]

111. I stand for a future where my grandchildren don't have to kill anyone

My own son has just got back from that Afghan cluster fuck---

I did too little to stop that shit thanks to Roberts and his robed cabal

After my Viet Nam and my fathers WW2 and Korea, and my grandfathers WW 1 We are taking the next one OFF

[David__77]

118. I stand with you.

...

[warrant46]

144. Thank you that was very nice !!

This upcoming proposed adventure is an exercise in madness.

[X_Digger]

87. Why am I not surprised that this false dichotomy comes from you? *sigh* n/t

[baldguy]

89. Like the anti-Obama meme that Syria = Iraq?

[X_Digger]

90. Free hint: "They did it first!" stopped being a valid excuse at about the second grade. n/t

[baldguy]

99. Then the anti-Obama crowd should stop using it, huh?

Obama isn't Bush Jr, Jr - no matter how much the haters want to believe it.

[X_Digger]

110. I'm reminded of the quote..

"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference." —Mark Twain

Until you drop the logical fallacies, I'm done with you.

[markpkessinger]

100. Given our past and very recent military misadventures in the Middle East . . .

. . . I think the burden is on those who are making the case for intervention in Syria to convincingly make the case for how and why it is not like those other misadventures, What with the President now hinting at this as being part of a "broader strategy" for regime change in Syria, that case gets harder and harder to make.

[orpupilofnature57]

95. Yes I love FDR and JFK and RFK, and their little Brother most of all, they led .

Abe,Teddy, and Ike were good men and good presidents who loved and protected our country. Anybody you could be speaking of at present time, on either side of the aisle, works for lobbyists..........Period.

[ZombieHorde]

97. Ha! Trolling is fun for some people.

I hope you are enjoying your troll thread.

[Aerows]

103. It just has to be a troll

I hope to goodness it *IS* a troll.

[X_Digger]

105. Having dealt with the poster extensively on other topics.. sadly, no, I don't think it is. n/t

[Aerows]

124. That's plain sad.

I can't express it any other way.

[NoOneMan]

106. Why do you have to stand with anyone? Form your own opinion or shut the hell up

That's my two cents. Go buy a clue.

[frylock]

108. I stand with Rand Paul

[840high]

109. WTF?

[DirkGently]

112. Do you stand with Grayson or McCain?

Dishonest framing is dishonest.

[0rganism]

113. Do you offer us a false dichotomy?

Or is it Hobson's Choice?

Quite a dilemma you've got going there.

[scarletwoman]

114. I stand with my conscience.

[Nite Owl]

116. I don't stand with anyone

and I don't need their opinions to make up my mind.
A very childish question to ask on a serious matter.

[peace13]

119. No more war!

I can stand with that!

[L0oniX]

120. Who is that??? n/t

[mick063]

123. Neither

I stand with a half dozen folks that post here on DU that articulate precisely what would immediately help our nation.

[davekriss]

125. False dichotomy

Shame on you!

[Courtesy Flush]

182. YES!

I stand with Obama... the 2008 Obama, not the 2013 Obama.

So many to choose from.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

127. I feel bad for OP.

It would suck to lack such critical thinking skills. It seems he has been sentenced to live in a this or that, black or white world.

[neverforget]

128. My first thought would have been hidden but seriously

what the fuck is with this obsession with Rand Paul? Does saying RAND PAUL somehow make your argument right? Rand Paul is fucking loser and has nothing to do with how I feel about Syria.

[SwampG8r]

129. a new low even for you you, with this op you have put your foot in your mouth

and head in your ass all at once
good show!

[frustrated_lefty]

130. I stand firmly against corporatist warmongering assholes

and their sycophants.

[MannyGoldstein]

131. I just #%^*ing give up

The bar is just too damned high for me to compete.

Regards,

Third-Way Manny

[bullwinkle428]

150. I think you should sue him for trying to steal your act, Third-Way Manny!

[Oakenshield]

132. Confine this kind of ultra-partisan bullcrap to the BOG.

This paulbot accusation garbage is really getting old.

[Blue_In_AK]

133. I do not stand with Barack Obama or any of the other Dems/republicans on the Syria issue

I am and have always been a pacifist. I didn't stand with Lyndon Johnson in 1967 either.

[markiv]

135. the 'appeal to blind obedience' argument

with a sprinkle of 'fear of bogyman' tossed in

nice

[on point]

136. NEITHER

[Douglas Carpenter]

139. I sure the hell don't stand with Al Qaeda

Al-Qaeda-linked Syria rebels target Christian village

U.S. Senate panel votes to give Obama authority to use military force against Syria

Al-Qaeda-linked rebels have launched an assault on a regime-held Christian village in the densely populated west of Syria and new clashes erupted near the capital, Damascus — part of a brutal battle of attrition each side believes it can win despite more than two years of deadlock.

As the world focused on possible U.S. military action against Syria, rebels commandeered a mountaintop hotel in the village of Maaloula and shelled the community below Wednesday, said a nun, speaking by phone from a convent in the village. She spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/09/05/wrd-syria-us-rebel-attack.html

[eridani]

140. I stand for issues, not for politicians n/t

[soundsgreat]

141. this question reminds me on GW Bush after 9/11

Are you with us - or the terrorists?

[a la izquierda]

142. Oh FFS..

[dipsydoodle]

143. With the Democratic Party

Its leaders are transitory.

[Union Scribe]

145. I stand...in the place where I live

[grattsl]

147. I stand with our Country first and foremost.

I am a registered Democrat, and MOST of the time I stand with the Democratic Party, but not on EVERY issue. To support a party without thought would seem very Republican to me. Neither party will always be right, or always be wrong. Right now, our Democratic President is racing down the WRONG path. I do hope he changes course.

[deutsey]

148. I stand with Nobody, because Nobody cares about me!

I stand with Nobody, because Nobody deserves to have that much power!

And Nobody listens to my concerns!

And Nobody knows the trouble I've seen!

And Nobody can make an apple pie like good ol' Mom!

Vote for Nobody!

(Old Wavy Gravy joke...)

[David Krout]

149. Is this in regard to Paul's views on Syria, or in general terms?

Your question should be more specific. Are you attempting to paint those who agree with Rand Paul's view that war is Syria is bad as Rand Paul lovers in general terms?

[Deep13]

151. No to both.

I stand with humanity.

[Capt. Obvious]

153. Sorry, I will work harder

[OccupyManny]

154. I support him

He's a fantastic leader and a role model for children. I'm disappointed he didn't help much with our own " Arab Spring" at Occupy but I understand why. I hope Elizabeth Warren, my hero supports him.

[LondonReign2]

156. I'm try to figure out: is this a sarcastic

post intended to show the ridiculousness of the pro-Obama-at-all-costs position?

[Marr]

174. I think they've just lost all sense of how ridiculous they look at this point. Much like

the Bushbots of yesterday. Actually, exactly like the Bushbots of yesterday.

[LondonReign2]

194. Amazingly they don't even have the sense to be embarrassed

to post McCarthyesque crap like this. And you are right, it is exactly what we heard from Freepers in the Shrub years.

[Brigid]

160. I do not stand with Obama as he tries to drag us into yet another war.

I wish I had never voted at all in the last two elections. And I want my campaign contributions back. There, how's that?

[djean111]

162. and progressives are accused of having purity tests.......lolololololololololololol.................

[workinclasszero]

163. I stand with whoever is against empire building wars

If this country can't afford social security, healthcare for all, food for its hungry children, living wage jobs for its workers, safe roads and bridges, etc, it sure as hell can't afford trillion dollar reckless military adventures in the ME!

I mean its worked so well in the past, right?

And hey WW3 would really bring in the bucks for the MIC eh?

I don't think one poor American kid caught up in the economic draft should have to die to enrich even further the damned oil companies and the bloody MIC!

I guess that makes me a bad democrat/progressive? WTFever LOL!

Oh and that racist prick Rand Paul can go piss up a rope!

[whatchamacallit]

164. I stand with the victims of imperial aggression

Those other guys can go fuck themselves.

[cali]

166. You're either with us or against us. America love it or leave it.

etc, etc.

[baldguy]

168. Either you agree that chemical weapons should be banned, or you don't.

[cali]

170. Agreeing that chemical weapons should be banned does not dictate

that the U.S. should unilaterally bomb Syria. duh.

[baldguy]

197. You're saying chemical weapons should be banned,

but won't allow the President to take any action if they are used. Instead, you attack him if he even dares suggests any action at all.

The worst thing we can do about homicidal bullies like Assad is to ignore them & allow their atrocities to go unchallenged. Duh.

[WilliamPitt]

169. The bullshit is getting really thick around here.

[myrna minx]

172. Embarrassing post. *sigh*

[AgingAmerican]

173. neither

nt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

176. "I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." --Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789.

[Freddie Stubbs]

178. I stand with him when he right

[Bake]

179. Be sure to sign your loyalty oath on the way out.

In blood, please.

What a bullshit OP. You're either fer us or agin us ...

Bake

[HardTimes99]

180. Do you stand with Karl Rove

Or do you stand with Rand Paul?

[Hell Hath No Fury]

181. ...

And for the record, I do NOT support Obama or any other Democrat who supports this warmongering bullshit. And fuck Rand Paul.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

184. Yer either fur me or agin' me...

Jesus Christ on a Cracker.

[philosslayer]

187. I stand with my President

n/t

[liberal_at_heart]

188. I stand with the innocents who do not fight war but end up dying because of those who do.

[MindPilot]

192. I ain't standin' with shit

If it's war they're planning, I'm sitting this one out.

[MNBrewer]

193. If this is the context I think it is (bombing Syria)

I stand with Rand.

[Yo_Mama]

195. Maybe some of the President's most loyal supporters

think they are opposing him on this in their own, the country's, and ultimately his administration's best interests.

Just maybe, you know?

If we were to attack Syria, and it were to go sour, this administration would be deeply and forever tarnished.

People don't oppose the president for his moral position in this. They are looking at this pragmatically. There is widespread agreement that the use of chemical weapons is a war crime.

There are three basic parts of any tenable theory of just war:
1) The cause must be just,
2) Success must be obtainable, and by "success" it is meant that the cause of the war will be removed.
3) If you make war, you must wage it in such a way that you believe that you will succeed and that you will remove the cause.

Anybody who stops and thinks about the situation has to realize that 2 and 3 are the problems here, and would probably commit us to sending troops in if we are serious.

The reality of this thing is that since the military strategists don't think we can take out the chemical weapons without putting a lot of troops in this country, if we start a limited bombing campaign we may well be making this worse. If we weaken Assad and the rebellion gains, he may use them anyway. After all, he and his regime are going to be slaughtered if they lose. They're desperate.

If we go in and grab them, that removes one problem if we get them all (doubtful).

If we don't go in and the rebels win, then some highly unsavory people are going to get this stuff and who knows where it ends up?

[TheKentuckian]

196. lil buddy, I'll be standing where I am and whoever joins me does.

I don't need a pol to think for me. In fact, it is supposed to be the other way around and these people are supposed to stand with us.

[morningfog]

198. On Syria? I stand agains the president.

[stupidicus]

199. I stand on principles that some lack

it's been more effective than rogaine.

maybe you should try it as opposed to seeking a scalping like you recieved here