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Vehl

(1,915 posts)
Sat Feb 25, 2012, 03:31 PM Feb 2012

Pakistan Gifting 10% of its land to China in a 50 year Lease!!!!!

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This news just blew my mind!!!

It has been known, for the past two years that Chinese soldiers have been present in Pakistani controlled parts of Kashmir. China denied this. However what was not known was that Pakistan has already leased(secretly) the Gilgit-Baltistan region of northern Pakistan (90% of whats known as Pakistani Controlled Kashmir) to China.

In other words, Pakistan has given away about 10% of its landmass!!
This was in top of the other "gifts" to China in the past 50 years.

Oh and also this pretty much invalidates any claim Pakistan had on Kashmir...if it loves Kashmir so much(and wants the other 2/3rd of Kashmir that is Indian), why would it give away all of its Kashmir to China in a 50 year lease?. Pakistan just invalidated its own claim of ownership of all of Kashmir.


Pak's Gilgit lease to China catches Indian army unawares

The latest proposal of Pakistan to lease Gilgit-Baltistan to China for 50 years has caught the Indian army unawares. And the commanders have gone into a huddle to figure out what it means for India. The presence of People's Liberation Army personnel in Gilgit-Baltistan, earlier part of the princely state of Jammu and Kashmir, had been exposed by the New York Times and later substantiated by army commanders here, but what was not known was that the area would be all but governed by China.

"We had no clue about the lease part of the story," said an army officer privy to the developments along the borders in Jammu and Kashmir to Hindustan Times on condition of anonymity.

US think tank Middle-East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) has analysed this situation.

Sources said that the army was now again putting on the board the possibility of twin attacks by China and Pakistan - that the two friendly countries may attack India and Jammu and Kashmir could be the battlefield. The army documented the possible scene three years ago, but not many had lent credence to the possibility at that point of time.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Chandigarh/Pak-s-Gilgit-lease-to-China-catches-Indian-army-unawares/Article1-815671.aspx



China's Discreet Hold on Pakistan's Northern Borderlands

While the world focuses on the flood-ravaged Indus River valley, a quiet geopolitical crisis is unfolding in the Himalayan borderlands of northern Pakistan, where Islamabad is handing over de facto control of the strategic Gilgit-Baltistan region in the northwest corner of disputed Kashmir to China.

The entire Pakistan-occupied western portion of Kashmir stretching from Gilgit in the north to Azad (Free) Kashmir in the south is closed to the world, in contrast to the media access that India permits in the eastern part, where it is combating a Pakistan-backed insurgency. But reports from a variety of foreign intelligence sources, Pakistani journalists and Pakistani human rights workers reveal two important new developments in Gilgit-Baltistan: a simmering rebellion against Pakistani rule and the influx of an estimated 7,000 to 11,000 soldiers of the People’s Liberation Army.

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Mystery surrounds the construction of 22 tunnels in secret locations where Pakistanis are barred. Tunnels would be necessary for a projected gas pipeline from Iran to China that would cross the Himalayas through Gilgit. But they could also be used for missile storage sites.

Until recently, the P.L.A. construction crews lived in temporary encampments and went home after completing their assignments. Now they are building big residential enclaves clearly designed for a long-term presence.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/27/opinion/27iht-edharrison.html



The Pakistani's just fell from the frying pan into the Fire.There is absolutely no way that they can get the land back from China in 50 years. Absolutely no way. Furthermore this part of land is claimed by India as well. Giving away disputed land to a third party is reckless beyond belief. For all the "talk" the Pakistani leaders talk about having the interests of their country and people in their hearts, this action shows what they really are all about. They have become lapdogs to their Chinese masters.

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A Chinese and Pakistani soldier, in Pakistan controlled Kashmir, the same place now 'leased" (gifted) to China'




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PS:
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China really asked for it, this time.

10 years from now, I see Asia in two main camps


China-led group, consisting on China, Pakistan and North Korea

Asian Alliance consisting of India, Japan, South Korea,Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia, Taiwan, Mongolia (and other South East Asian ,east Asian states who has territories claimed/Disputed by China). America would also be part of this. Russia would stay neutral, but use this opportunity to finally settle its score with China.


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^^ with claims like these, is it any wonder why the vast majority of China's neighbors are banding together against it?






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Pakistan Gifting 10% of its land to China in a 50 year Lease!!!!! (Original Post) Vehl Feb 2012 OP
Kashmir land dispute op.honenburg Feb 2012 #1
yep Vehl Feb 2012 #8
Oh, boy! Another, bigger, bogeyman!! Quick send more money to the MIC!! Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #2
no bogeyman, just facts Vehl Feb 2012 #7
That photo is so sweet. Makes me think of the film, "300". closeupready Feb 2012 #3
I really appreciate your knowledge of goings on in that part of the world. Odin2005 Feb 2012 #4
LOL closeupready Feb 2012 #6
you are welcome Vehl Feb 2012 #9
The Hindustan Times article calls this a "proposal," not a done deal. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2012 #5
It might not be officially "signed" Vehl Feb 2012 #10

op.honenburg

(1 post)
1. Kashmir land dispute
Sat Feb 25, 2012, 04:02 PM
Feb 2012

It just doesn't make since to me that he Pakistani government wants the rest of Kashmir when we all know they are just going to give it to China. I believe that China and Pakistan are up to something.

Vehl

(1,915 posts)
8. yep
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 12:48 AM
Feb 2012

They are,

Pakistan has openly stated that they are an ally of China, and are waiting for the day America stretches itself thin, both in Iraq, Afghanistan (thanks to their reliance on their "WOT" "Ally" Pakistan) and maybe now in Iran.

China schemes and waits while one day the US will spend itself out of superpower thanks to the misplaced interests of the neocons and the MIC. China was the be the new hegemon, and it does not want any Asian nation to stand up to its diktat. Thus it is imperative that they try to contain India, the only Major democracy and rival in Asia and potential anchor to a Asian Alliance. The coming few decades will see the majority of the IOR(Indian ocean region) SEA(South East Asian) and EA(East Asian)nations join either China or the democracies like India/Japan/South Korea.

Right now China is at a disadvantage cos 80% of China's oil, its lifeline, passes within a few hundred miles of Indian Coastline,on its way to China. It's a stranglehold that China worries about.

Vehl

(1,915 posts)
7. no bogeyman, just facts
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 12:41 AM
Feb 2012

A country giving away 10% of its land in a lease(unofficial or official) is major news...doubly so when the ownership of this land is heavily contested.

The MSM only covers countries like Iran and Iraq cos that's how the MIC gets their money...not by pointing out real developments that might/might not pose an ever dire threat.

Vehl

(1,915 posts)
9. you are welcome
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 12:49 AM
Feb 2012


PS:

This region gifted to china is right next to the Indian Ladakh region, a place where a lot of Tibetan refugees resettled, a place with nearly 2 millennia of Buddhist history. China has its eye on it for sure.


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Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
5. The Hindustan Times article calls this a "proposal," not a done deal.
Sat Feb 25, 2012, 04:25 PM
Feb 2012

Is the OP saying this has actually happened?

Vehl

(1,915 posts)
10. It might not be officially "signed"
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 12:51 AM
Feb 2012

However its more concrete than signature on paper, as China started controlling this region from 2010 onwards (check the NYT article)

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