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(7,044 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)wtmusic
(39,166 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)The name and address of about 90% of callers were already filled in on the screen when the phone rang, and that was in 1996 when I was delivering pizzas.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)when I was in fairly desperate financial straits while wrapping up my PhD. I mostly delivered, but also worked everything else in the store when deliveries were slow.
The chain was called "Rocky Rococo's." Rocky was a fictional Godfather type character always portrayed in a zoot suit.
My favorite part of the job, besides all the free pizza (which I pretty much lived on for a while), was, whenever people asked me what I was doing for a living, I could tell them I was running hot merchandise for a sleazy Italian mobster.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)pan of pizza fresh out of a 550 degree oven to your table. The first piece removed would allow the cheese and sausage/pepperoni grease to slowly stream to the bottom of the hot, steel pan and create this delightful sounding aromatic "sizzle" noise. Good god I'm getting hungry!
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)for the hunger, maybe
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)Drooooooooooooool.
Oh, the good ol' days. Now I need to plan a trip to Madison. Think they'll let me rollerskate up State Street?
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Probably, as long as you don't sing.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)progressoid
(50,013 posts)damyank913
(787 posts)The information age has a dark side
KoKo
(84,711 posts)that is incredible. I hope this goes Viral...and that the RW'ers pick up on it. They are always carrying on about the Gubmint in their business...and here it is right in their face. And they have more power to do something about it than we Dems do at this point in time.
Thanks for that!
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)frazzled
(18,402 posts)However, the pizza joint has had the goods on you for many decades. I remember, in the days in which we actually used to order pizza, when our kids were still at home: when you'd call they'd already have your name and address. You didn't have to give it. This was back in the 90s.
But back to the fear mongering.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)It's much more. You have to wait for the cursor to move through it all.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)Especially with the "2015" tag. But it does feed into people's paranoia nicely.
If this bothers people, they really shouldn't willingly use charge or debit cards or the Internet for purchases. Cash only at bricks and mortar. And don't go to the doctor.
But then, when you step back and think of it, if Pizza Hut were to go through this rigamarole with every customer they'd be losing money big time. But then, who in this day and age would stoop to order from Pizza Hut anyway? Is this 1989? And if Bloomberg couldn't even get a soft-drink size law through, do you really think the government can get draconian taxes levied against high-cholesterol citizens who try to order meat? By two years from now?
No, the days of the $897 pizza and Big Brother are not coming to America soon, no matter how much drama and hyperbole you try to drum up.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Your suggestions (don't go to doctor or use debit or Internet) are utterly stupid suggestions. It's like telling someone, if you don't like sweatshop clothing then you should stop wearing clothes. Maybe, rather than going around naked, we can advocate for change rather than put up with it because it has yet to become an inconvenience.
A person with intelligence and fortitude would recognize that we should be pressuring our leaders to end domestic surveillance and to outlaw the marketing of individual consumer data.
Sheesh. Talk about clueless.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)My only interest here was in the hyperbolization of the problems of surveillance, or of just plain digital information in the new technological era. (This is not just a government problem.) I completely support a discussion of the ways in which digital information needs to be protected, and to place limits on both the state and private concerns to access and use it.
What I don't support are fear-mongering cartoons in which people are led to believe that in two years, their call to Pizza Hut will result in catastrophic intervention by the state involving their most personal medical records and stratospheric taxes on their behavior. That's just a Libertarian fear monger's wet dream. It's as bad as the fear mongering surrounding terrorism. Possibly worse, since everybody realizes how deeply the personal information we freely give out (of our own free wills) is intertwined in today's daily life.
So stop cartooning me and my positions. Talk about clueless.
MiniMe
(21,722 posts)I think it first came out when Obamacare was going through Congress. It was supposed to show you how bad Obamacare is.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)This is a simulation of how our privacy can be tracked and all our information known and how it can be used by banks,government agencies, insurance companies and corporations to influence and control by data banking our private information.
Sotf
(76 posts)... and in any case this has been around for a while I think.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)This is a new version of the old anti-Obamacare idea.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and will over tax people.
MiniMe
(21,722 posts)I guess now that Obamacare is being implemented, they are bringing it out again
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Renew Deal
(81,897 posts)Now if they could deliver the pizza without me even calling it would be better.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)hadn't seen that before.
Historic NY
(37,460 posts)every major business has info on its customers on file from your grocer to amazon. Where do you think those suggest items or coupons come from. All those ads on your computer are generated by your on-line activities, yeah you opt'ed out, well actually you didn't. Those clicks here and those clicks there all add up. Do social media then you leaving a wealth of stuff out there, most of it you gave up. ACLU implies its spying you might want to ask them how they generate their solicitation promo's, mailing and targeted e-mails. Welcome to the computer age. your Overlords thank you for your participation.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)where they have a screen that they can hit tabs to get all your information.
I thought that was the intent of this ...to show a screen and how the any NSA op can have your info at their finger tips. "Ordering a Pizza, 2015" was just illustrating what that could mean. Some here thought it was too crude like some old Windows screen to be effective...but, I thought it effective. I'm not a techie so that didn't bother me.
midnight
(26,624 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)This has huge implications for us as "consumers" that all of this is databased and profiles are made using this info that too many people have access to and that Private Contractors could be using and making a profit off of. Along with Wall Street Traders and Hedge Funds who would love to know what their competition is doing. Plus other implications like Blackmail for profit either politically or financially.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)This part has been going on since the 90s:
Replace "private contractors" with a more generic "Corporations" and you've got the situation since the 90s. For example, Those little bar-code cards your grocery store hands out aren't really for your benefit.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)is far beyond what was done in the early 90's to be able to datamine everything and then to Profile. Computers are so sophisticated these days that stuff like this can be sorted and profiled in minutes. We use internet now for Banking, filling out Government and Health Care Forms...making Dentist, Doctors appointments online , purchases from Amazon and others online..EBAY and the rest. And we E-mail and Skype with friends or relatives overseas. We use Social Media to post picture and communicate with realtives, and "friend" folks we may not even know who can watch everything we say and even look at where we've been with the Google Mapping of us..all there on Facebook.
This is way past what was doable in the early 90's and it grows in sophistication while I'm typing this.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)There's nothing particularly new in technology to make profiling easier. The relatively simple databases necessary to store this information are not that difficult to search, so it does not require particularly fast computers. It was easily doable in the 90s, which is why grocery stores started handing out those cards in the 90s.
Modern technology just lets them do it with fewer computers, so it's a little cheaper.
All of that was computerized in the 80s. The fact that you talked to a person who typed it into a computer doesn't matter.
And you used to call them on the phone. Remember the metadata scandal? That technology dates from the 1960s.
Or more likely, we simply don't care. I use that little supermarket card. I use Facebook to distribute baby pictures to the mountain of relatives that want them. Google has gobs of data on me, because I find it a convenient place to store that data.
And I don't think that's a threat to my privacy. I'm one tiny blip among hundreds of millions. There's no reason that someone would use this data to follow me specifically and not someone else. Is my privacy utterly destroyed? Nope. Far from it. There's just too much data in the system to violate my privacy personally. And if there was a reason for the government to look after me personally, they already had the tools to get that information a very long time ago.
People compare our current situation to a sort of "Andy Griffith Show"-style past and insist that we had more privacy then. Far from it. To stick with the supermarket example, your grocer back then knew a hell of a lot about you even without the help of a computer. He knew when you were sick. He knew how many kids you had and how old they were, even if you didn't bring them to the store. He could probably figure out if someone was having an affair. He knew a hell of a lot about you without the benefit of computers.
Today: customer 47389421647 bought condoms and cough medicine. That's way more real privacy, because nobody gives a damn who customer 47389421647 actually is. A database query will decide to send out coupons for more condoms without a human looking at the data.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)a technology that has been around for a couple of decades. Really? What did people think information technology was capable of?
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Private Contractors would have access to your personal Data without supervision?
You are thinking that most Americans who didn't have a Personal Computer until Windows 95 and AOL made access for E-Mail and Chat available...should have known better? We should have anticipated this?
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)Anytime you adopt a new technology, it should be scrutinized for such. I remember a coworker and I having discussion way back when about the potentials for development and use of computer technology even before Windows 95. All you had to do was read a little to learn about the visions of those in the industry.
And why is it so shocking that humans in charge of anything will inevitably muck it up? History is replete with examples of humans being humans. Greed, power, and plain old hubris---as old as mankind.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)After all they thought the idea of a large drink ban was in NYC was a great idea.
This whole spoof is something I bet Bloomberg would really love to have in reality.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)They've tweaked it to be pro-privacy, but the original concept is from the anti-Obamacare groups.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)damnedifIknow
(3,183 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Congrats to the paranoids on both sides of the aisle re: fearmongering over Obamacare.
MiniMe
(21,722 posts)And it is about Obamacare.
Proud Public Servant
(2,097 posts)Back in 1998, my wife and I were getting ready to buy our first house, and so were cleaning up our credit history by shutting down unused lines of credit. One such line turned out to be a Bravo card (do those still exist?) which had been sent to me completely unsolicited; I never activated it, never used it, cut it up immediately, and forgot about it until I saw the open line on the credit report. Here's how trying to cancel the card went:
BRAVO: Bravo, how can I help you?
ME: I received a Bravo card in the mail some months ago. I never used asked for it and never used it, but my credit report says I still have an open line of credit with you, so I guess I need to cancel it.
BRAVO: Certainly, sir. Can I have your mother's maiden name?
ME: What? Why?
BRAVO: Because we need that to verify the account.
ME: But I've never given you my mother's maiden name to begin with!
BRAVO: But that's how we verify the account.
ME: But I never even opened an account! You opened it in my name, without my permission!
BRAVO: We need your mother's maiden name.
ME: This is crazy. I've never had any contact with your company, at all, until today. Why should I give you my mother's maiden name so you can fix something you did to begin with?
BRAVO: We already have her name, sir; we just need you to confirm your identity.
ME: Look, I get that you don't make policy there, you just answer the phone -- but you can see how this is really creepy, right?
BRAVO: I'm sorry you feel that way, sir. Would you still like to proceed with the account closure? If so, I need your mother's maiden name...
I find that story outrageous. My daughter finds it merely amusing. My grandchildren will eventually find it mysterious -- what was I arguing about? And so it goes...
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)I've had a couple of instances where the person verifying my identity asked a series of multiple choice questions, such as the type of car I drove (three wrong answers plus my actual car), previous addresses, and even names of my siblings.
It's like being a Jeopardy category.
millennialmax
(331 posts)No thanks.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,213 posts)Still in testing, naturally. I don't think it'll be used live until they figure out how to avoid liability the first time someone gets decapitated by the blades while trying to extract their triple-pepperoni-and-anchovy pizza from the sucker.
GalaxyHunter
(271 posts)brooklynite
(94,950 posts)or someone to check your cholesterol level before adding extra cheese?
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)to this whole thing.