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Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 07:17 PM Jul 2013

Rep. Rush Holt: Treat Americans as citizens, not suspects

The recent headline-making stories of our government’s out-of-control surveillance activities have frequently focused on the invasion of privacy that the National Security Agency and the Department of Justice’s programs represent. While those invasions of privacy have been massive—and may be even worse than thus far revealed—that focus overlooks a more fundamental truth. The executive branch now views every American as a potential suspect first, and as a citizen second.

For most of our history prior to the 9/11 attacks, a fundamental American principle was that those who search, seize, intercept and detain should not be allowed to decide who are the bad guys because of political differences, vague suspicions, or incidental associations. The problem with widespread, intrusive surveillance is that the government treats ordinary Americans with suspicion, and it continues to massage the data until it is satisfied that there are no incriminating associations. What has become of the principal of presumption of innocence?

When our government suspects its own citizens we have lost the founding principles of liberty and equality.

One of the characteristics of oppressive governments that we detest is that they intrude into peoples’ lives, spying on their own people. The chilling intrusion into people’s lives, effects, and relationships must be controlled even if government officers think that the intrusion is necessary to preserve safety, security and order. Officers who in their zeal let their suspicious hunches or biases run unrestrained can be as dangerous as politically motivated enforcers. Indeed, civil protections are critical especially if the government says they are trying to protect safety, security and order.


http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/07/19/treat-americans-as-citizens-not-suspects/
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Rep. Rush Holt: Treat Americans as citizens, not suspects (Original Post) Luminous Animal Jul 2013 OP
"I will be offering legislation to repeal the PATRIOT Act and the FISA Amendments Act" think Jul 2013 #1
Aside from the fact that libs have been saying the PATRIOT Act is not, I have been saying lately zbdent Jul 2013 #5
The Pugs on the Hill are hypocrites. Hard to put it any other way... think Jul 2013 #7
K&R Matariki Jul 2013 #2
Today that evil libertarian, Glenn Greenwald recommended supporting Rush Holt. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #3
Uh oh. Now I'm conflicted... think Jul 2013 #6
Citizens? I thought we were consumers... deutsey Jul 2013 #4
Ugh. I really dislike that term. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #8
So do I. deutsey Jul 2013 #10
K&R woo me with science Jul 2013 #9
Holt knows computers RobertEarl Jul 2013 #11
That's good to know. Thanks. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #12

zbdent

(35,392 posts)
5. Aside from the fact that libs have been saying the PATRIOT Act is not, I have been saying lately
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 07:41 PM
Jul 2013

that, if the Repugs are freaking out so badly about "Big Government spying on U.S. citizens" (a point which they weren't worried about as recent as 1/19/2009), then maybe they should put forth legislation asking to repeal the PATRIOT ACT, since they keep pointing out that Obama is doing what George W "The W stands for WHO?" Bush put in place, and they're against all things Obama ...

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
11. Holt knows computers
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 09:41 PM
Jul 2013

Probably better than anyone else in congress.

He is not paranoid, he is wise to the capabilities of the NSA and what it could become.

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