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in a self defense claim, is it unusual for the defendant to decline to testify (Original Post) arely staircase Jul 2013 OP
No. It's unusual for the accused to testify in any case. REP Jul 2013 #1
please read the link arely staircase Jul 2013 #2
That Wisconsin lawyer is a walking malpractice case. onenote Jul 2013 #16
No, they never want to face cross examination. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #3
but in self defense claims arely staircase Jul 2013 #6
I don't think it is unusual. pnwmom Jul 2013 #18
Should read the link, Benton D Struckcheon Jul 2013 #4
Zimmerman's ridiculous story would have been effortlessly torn to shreds Skittles Jul 2013 #5
That's right. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #7
without a doubt nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #13
I heard some attorneys talking on one of the shows KarenS Jul 2013 #8
We won't quote you because it is not true. former9thward Jul 2013 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author KarenS Jul 2013 #15
See post 16 onenote Jul 2013 #17
A good prosecutor could make Jesus Christ seem like a criminal on cross-examination. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #9
but in most jurisdictions arely staircase Jul 2013 #12
I really don't know, IANAL. Sorry (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #14
There is no "normal". Each case is approached by the attorneys based on its facts onenote Jul 2013 #19
You didn't read your whole link former9thward Jul 2013 #10

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
2. please read the link
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:23 PM
Jul 2013

A Wisconsin attorner says that in that jurisdiction it would be unusual for the defendant not to take the stand in a self defense defense.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
16. That Wisconsin lawyer is a walking malpractice case.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:02 PM
Jul 2013

The majority of states, including his own, put the burden of proof on the state to disprove beyond a reasonable doubt, a claim of self defense. Anyone who hires that idiot is insane.

Wisconsin law described by a lawyer who isn't afraid to give his name:
http://www.chirafisiverhoff.com/wisconsin-criminal-attorney/self-defense.asp

Who knew Massachusetts is "uncivilized" http://www.mass.gov/courts/courtsandjudges/courts/districtcourt/jury-instructions/criminal/pdf/9260-defenses-self-defense.pdf

And Vermont? http://www.vtjuryinstructions.org/criminal/MS04-151.htm

And Connecticut.
http://www.cga.ct.gov/ps99/rpt/olr/htm/99-r-0984.htm


arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
6. but in self defense claims
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:36 PM
Jul 2013

is it unusual to decline to testify? Or is this a peculiarity created by a flaw in Florida law?

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
18. I don't think it is unusual.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:05 PM
Jul 2013

Especially if the defense lawyer thinks the case against the defendant is weak; they don't want to take any chances. Any time you put a defendant on the stand, even a perfectly innocent defendant, you're taking a chance on a wild card.

For example, the prosecution could open the door to a line of testimony that a judge has previously ruled out, simply by tricking a defendant into bringing up the issue himself. It might not have anything to do with his actual guilt -- just something that could make him look bad and hurt him with the jury.

Benton D Struckcheon

(2,347 posts)
4. Should read the link,
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:28 PM
Jul 2013

and what it links to. It appears that in 49 of the 50 states, the best strategy is the "Zimmerman doctrine": if there's no witnesses, shoot to kill, have a good story to tell. Dead men tell no tales.
Ohio is the only exception.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
7. That's right.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:43 PM
Jul 2013

And in this case, this is why the prosecution focused on emphasizing the lethal use of force by Zimmerman, and then also asking the jury to consider manslaughter.

I could not believe the jury didn't think it was at the very least a case of manslaughter, but Zimmerman will have yet another day in court.

KarenS

(4,074 posts)
8. I heard some attorneys talking on one of the shows
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:46 PM
Jul 2013

I believe it was on HLN, they were saying that in cases of self defense it is normal that the defendant take the stand because the burden of proof is on them but not in Florida. But, don't quote me on this,,, do some checking because I was listening and sewing at the time.

former9thward

(31,997 posts)
11. We won't quote you because it is not true.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:55 PM
Jul 2013

FL self defense law is the same as 48 of the other 49 states -- per the link in the OP.

Response to former9thward (Reply #11)

onenote

(42,700 posts)
17. See post 16
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:05 PM
Jul 2013

I don't know if its 49 states, but the majority of states, including the idiot lawyer in Wisconsin's own state, and states like Vermont, Connecticut, and Massachusetts, apparently are uncivilized.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
9. A good prosecutor could make Jesus Christ seem like a criminal on cross-examination.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:50 PM
Jul 2013

Defendants hardly ever take the stand. It's pretty much only when the case is going terribly for them, and they do it as a Hail Mary, or if they are a smooth-talking celebrity hoping to wow the jury with their charisma.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
12. but in most jurisdictions
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:55 PM
Jul 2013

Is it not normal for a defendant to take the stand when claiming self defense in the taking of a life? I understand that overall the defendant doesn't testify. But in this type of situation it might be a peculiarity of Florida statute.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
19. There is no "normal". Each case is approached by the attorneys based on its facts
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:06 PM
Jul 2013

The only reason a lawyer would put the defendant on the stand is if he felt he had no other choice because of the strength of the prosecution's case.

former9thward

(31,997 posts)
10. You didn't read your whole link
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:53 PM
Jul 2013
Following up on the conversation, Eugene Volokh suggests that the law of self-defense is actually the same in Florida as it is throughout the country, with the single exception of Ohio.

So FL is not peculiar at all.
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