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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsin a self defense claim, is it unusual for the defendant to decline to testify
is it a peculiarity of Florida law that the burden of justifying his taking of a life is not on the accused?
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2013/07/how_much_is_about_florida_law.php?m=1
REP
(21,691 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)A Wisconsin attorner says that in that jurisdiction it would be unusual for the defendant not to take the stand in a self defense defense.
onenote
(42,700 posts)The majority of states, including his own, put the burden of proof on the state to disprove beyond a reasonable doubt, a claim of self defense. Anyone who hires that idiot is insane.
Wisconsin law described by a lawyer who isn't afraid to give his name:
http://www.chirafisiverhoff.com/wisconsin-criminal-attorney/self-defense.asp
Who knew Massachusetts is "uncivilized" http://www.mass.gov/courts/courtsandjudges/courts/districtcourt/jury-instructions/criminal/pdf/9260-defenses-self-defense.pdf
And Vermont? http://www.vtjuryinstructions.org/criminal/MS04-151.htm
And Connecticut.
http://www.cga.ct.gov/ps99/rpt/olr/htm/99-r-0984.htm
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)Not unusual at all.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)is it unusual to decline to testify? Or is this a peculiarity created by a flaw in Florida law?
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Especially if the defense lawyer thinks the case against the defendant is weak; they don't want to take any chances. Any time you put a defendant on the stand, even a perfectly innocent defendant, you're taking a chance on a wild card.
For example, the prosecution could open the door to a line of testimony that a judge has previously ruled out, simply by tricking a defendant into bringing up the issue himself. It might not have anything to do with his actual guilt -- just something that could make him look bad and hurt him with the jury.
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)and what it links to. It appears that in 49 of the 50 states, the best strategy is the "Zimmerman doctrine": if there's no witnesses, shoot to kill, have a good story to tell. Dead men tell no tales.
Ohio is the only exception.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)that's why he did not testify
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)And in this case, this is why the prosecution focused on emphasizing the lethal use of force by Zimmerman, and then also asking the jury to consider manslaughter.
I could not believe the jury didn't think it was at the very least a case of manslaughter, but Zimmerman will have yet another day in court.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)KarenS
(4,074 posts)I believe it was on HLN, they were saying that in cases of self defense it is normal that the defendant take the stand because the burden of proof is on them but not in Florida. But, don't quote me on this,,, do some checking because I was listening and sewing at the time.
former9thward
(31,997 posts)FL self defense law is the same as 48 of the other 49 states -- per the link in the OP.
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onenote
(42,700 posts)I don't know if its 49 states, but the majority of states, including the idiot lawyer in Wisconsin's own state, and states like Vermont, Connecticut, and Massachusetts, apparently are uncivilized.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Defendants hardly ever take the stand. It's pretty much only when the case is going terribly for them, and they do it as a Hail Mary, or if they are a smooth-talking celebrity hoping to wow the jury with their charisma.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Is it not normal for a defendant to take the stand when claiming self defense in the taking of a life? I understand that overall the defendant doesn't testify. But in this type of situation it might be a peculiarity of Florida statute.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)onenote
(42,700 posts)The only reason a lawyer would put the defendant on the stand is if he felt he had no other choice because of the strength of the prosecution's case.
former9thward
(31,997 posts)So FL is not peculiar at all.