Glenn Greenwald Accuses Edward Snowden of Treason

[michigandem58]

Edward Snowden is in a pickle, holed up in no man's land in Moscow airport's transit area, howling at the wind and bitching and moaning about the gall of the United States for going after a fugitive legally. Because, you know, laws weren't meant to apply to Godly people like him! But it seems that prince of Huff-n-Puff-ville needs a little help from daddy. So he got a little help:

"Snowden has enough information to cause [more] harm to the U.S. government in a single minute than any other person has ever had," Greenwald said in an interview in Rio de Janeiro with the Argentinean daily La Nacion. The U.S. government should be on its knees every day begging that nothing happen to Snowden, because if something does happen to him, all the information will be revealed and it could be its worst nightmare."

Oh, my. Pretentious little drama queen, are we, Glenn? But Greenwald, as always, outs his moronic self: if his statement is true, he is telling the world that Snowden did in fact take information that would cause grave "harm to the U.S." That, of course, would basically prove the case against him on espionage, and would likely give the government grounds to try him for treason...

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2013/07/glenn-greenwald-accuses-edward-snowden.html

[grasswire]

1. didn't you get spanked yesterday for quoting from that hysterical blog? nt

[polichick]

3. You beat me to it. I guess some people like spankings. :)

[Mojorabbit]

96. +100 nt

[pnwmom]

12. The blog quoted from a newspaper interview of Greenwald.

You can't discredit the point of the OP by discrediting the writer of the blog.

[grasswire]

18. Are you the post nanny? nt

[pnwmom]

26. No -- you already appointed yourself to that position in your first post in this thread. n/t

[SidDithers]

50. Nailed it..nt

Sid

[blue neen]

31. Going along with your point here,

does that make you the OP nanny?

[DeSwiss]

83. Would that rule apply equally, if the blog writer was from Free Republic?

- Just askin'....

(Full disclosure: I think the blog is crap as well.)

[pnwmom]

89. I don't care about the blog. I care about what Greenwald told the newspaper,

which has been repeated in that blog and all over the internet.

[DeSwiss]

91. Just wanted to know!

Thank you!!!

[Mojorabbit]

97. There has already been umpteen threads on it. What is one more? nt

[Cha]

16. I'm sure he considered the source of what was "spanking" him..

and couldn't care less. Always important to consider the source.

[Katashi_itto]

118. +1000

[hootinholler]

2. The author is a fucking idiot n/t

[WorseBeforeBetter]

85. Spandan, the ultimate "simple-minded Manichean." (n/t)

[Warren Stupidity]

4. Authoritarian apologetics with homophobic slur!

Pretentious little drama queen

The only thing missing was the obligatory authoritarian rofl.

[99th_Monkey]

87. Waterboarding Greenwald's public image with acidic insinuations is "hard work"

give the guy a break.

[Bonobo]

119. I couldn't have said it better myself.

"Pretentious little drama queen"

And yeah, it could use an authoritarian ROFL.

[sagat]

5. Love how that blog chaps the screamers' asses.

[grasswire]

10. your perspective is duly noted.

welcome to DU

[SidDithers]

52. +1...

Love to see the perpetually outraged throwing a tantrum when St. Glenn gets criticized.

Sid

[WorseBeforeBetter]

86. My ass is just fine.

Last edited Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:30 PM - Edit history (2)

And Spandan "All Obama Critics are Racists" Chakrabarti is an idiot. But hitch that wagon...giddyup.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

6. Apparently, the "grave harm" would be more revelations that the NSA is spying.

And, that would be ever sooooo embarrassing.

[pnwmom]

14. A grave harm would be releasing the names of US spies around the world,

and their local associates, which Snowden has already claimed he had access to.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. Well, how about they just give him his passport back and call off the dogs.

Problem solved.

[pnwmom]

22. I see. They should give in to extortion.

It's too late for that. No doubt China and Russia have already helped themselves to whatever Snowden has.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

27. Everyone should just hold hands and give their enemies a big kiss on the cheek.

Because everything is that simplistic. Complexity is authoritarianism.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

30. What extortion. They're the ones chasing him.

And, supposedly, in a dither about further embarrassing revelations.

[randome]

35. 'Supposedly'? Where did you get that idea?

Snowden has taken national security documents to foreign countries. Of course he's a wanted man now.

Or do you mean the 'downing' of Morales' plane that never occurred?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

38. Then drop the "wanted" part and rest easy.

All that surveillance is harmless data gathering anyway. Right?

[randome]

44. He stole documents! Are all law enforcement agencies supposed to take the word of a thief?

Yes, the spying stuff was already known to us. But you know as well as anyone else that Snowden has additional documents that he showed to Chinese journalists.

Of course you can't believe everything you read or hear. But the journalists say he showed the documents to them. I guess everyone is lying except for Snowden, the man who said 'I am not here to hide from justice.'
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

53. Whistleblowers do show documents to journalists. See Daniel Ellsberg for reference.

[pnwmom]

60. Daniel Ellsberg didn't take information about US spying on other countries

to foreign journalists.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

63. Right. I'm sure the Soviets, Chinese and Vietnamese could read the NY Times.

[pnwmom]

57. Why can't you distinguish between US internal surveillance

and spying on foreign countries, which has always been the purpose of the NSA and the CIA?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

65. I happen to think that both are wrong. Check the responses from our allies.

Who are not amused by the NSA's spying.

[pnwmom]

94. We're not living in a world where everyone holds hands and sings cumbaya.

They spy on us, we spy on them.

And many of the allies' responses were pro forma, since they do the same thing.

[hopemountain]

106. yet, they also spy on us.

hack into our military, bank and corporation accounts, etc., etc.,. there are no innocents.

[pnwmom]

54. This is an attempt at extortion:

"The U.S. government should be on its knees every day begging that nothing happen to Snowden, because if something does happen to him, all the information will be revealed and it could be its worst nightmare."

[sulphurdunn]

81. What do you think Snowden has?

Perhaps 4 million people in the US hold top secret security clearances. About half a million of those work for private contractors like Snowden did. And with that many people in the top secret security loop, you can pretty much rest assured that China, Russia and every other major power already knew what Snowden knows even if they pretend to be shocked. Apparently, the only major players out of the know were the American people.

[pnwmom]

92. Snowden says that he had access to the names of US agents all over the world.

And, no, I don't think that is information that every major power already knew.

[sulphurdunn]

109. Snowden doesn't either, but

if he does, he shouldn't, and that raises other concerns about the national security apparatus's security.

[randome]

24. Sure. Blackmail and extortion. The driving ethics of heroes everywhere!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

33. Are you taling about the NSA? Threatening a whistleblower with prison sounds

kinda like extortion and blackmail except a more direct threat than what Snowden/Greenwald are saying.

[randome]

37. Good God, you twist the definitions every which way!

Snowden stole national security documents and took them to foreign countries! It's not 'threatening' a wanted man to say he should be returned to face trial.

I guess George Zimmerman was 'threatened' too, huh?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

43. Not threatening? LOL. Do you really think that they don't want to put him prison?

They don't to put him on trial to give him an award (much deserved) for performing a public service.

[randome]

46. Sorry, it's not much of a surprise that law enforcement wants to catch alleged thieves.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

51. You say tomawto, I say tomato. Alleged thief or whistleblower.

I say whistleblower pursued by those who he blew the whistle on.

[pnwmom]

58. Applying the espionage law to a leaker of classified documents about foreign spying

isn't extortion or blackmail. It is the logical legal consequence Snowden should have expected.

[Phlem]

103. I know, right!?!?

Just ask Valerie Plame.



-p

[GeorgeGist]

7. You really ought to try writing like an adult ...

instead of a comic book.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

8. K&R

[Warren Stupidity]

11. Yes because informing us what our government is doing is just like

Flying airplanes into buildings and killing thousands of people.

Well it is just the same in rightwing idiot world anyway.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

19. If he had stopped at PRISM, yes. Everything else has had nothing to do with American citizens. nt

[Warren Stupidity]

28. Ah I see. So informing the people of brazil, for example, that

we are engaged in mass surveillance of them too, well that is just like flying airplanes into buildings and killing thousands of people. I see your point now. Well actually I still see how this would be a valid point in rightwing idiot world, but honestly I can't quite see how it would be valid outside of say, a fox noise blathering, or free republic, or some other such place.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

36. He hasn't done that kind of harm yet, but GG's threats are duly noted. nt

[Warren Stupidity]

39. Greenwald has threatened to conduct mass murder?

Oh that is bad. Very bad. Oh wait, he has done no such thing. I'm still thinking that your cute picture equating Snowden with bin Laden is utter bullshit.

[hootinholler]

40. Actually, it would appear to be ok here also.

This graphic is disgusting equating a whistleblower to Osama. DU is better than this crap. Hide the post and send this newb to MIRT.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sun Jul 14, 2013, 03:27 PM, and voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: Yeah the superimposition of Snowden's head onto bin Laden's is not cool.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Your "whistleblower" made a unilateral decision he had no right to make. Photoshop is as good a means as any to express an opinion.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

Thank you.

[Warren Stupidity]

45. Since meta went away the fucking jury system has become a fucking joke.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

47. Interesting that you try to get every "newb" you disagree with thrown off this website.

How democratic of you.

[Warren Stupidity]

49. Just the ones who equate Snowden with fucking bin Laden.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

55. Which is fairly tame compared to the way people talk about our President. nt

[Half-Century Man]

68. You mis-spelled it

"A Clue" is spelled A, space, C, L, U, with a final E. It is not spelled Coffee.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

90. When I find one, I'll be sure to share the wealth.

You Snowden worshipers have a clue deficit of epic proportions.

[Half-Century Man]

101. Nope.

It is against my principles to worship people, or countries, or organizations, or leaders of any kind. Blind faith in ANYTHING will get you killed.

[hootinholler]

56. Just the obvious trolls

So obviousman where is pointless boy?

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

61. My views are in line with the Democratic Party platform. I vote straight D

and I kiss the ass of no one whose actions threaten to undermine a sitting democratic President.

I'm sorry that makes me a "troll" on a website called DEMOCRATIC Underground.

Maybe Revleft would be better suited to those who have a problem with my kind.

[hootinholler]

66. I didn't realize that the Democratic party platform

Equates Snowden with Osama Bin Laden. When do they mobilize Seal Team 6? I'm curious because I must have missed that memo. Is he gonna get the spiffy burial at sea also?

Snowden has not undermined the President.

[olddots]

9. a lot of us didn't get any sleep last night

your OP is helping get some needed sleep . snooze: :

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. Ah more shit stirring I see

Shall we talk prism? Nope, why would we?

[Warren Stupidity]

15. Mass domestic surveillance is B.O.R.I.N.G.

[HiPointDem]

20. something about the style of your writing...

[sibelian]

21. "pretentious little drama queen"!!!!!

THANKS. UPDATING MY THREAD.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3177422

[Cha]

23. Good, I'm glad someone is deconstructing Greenwald's

vicious fucking threats. He's such a vicious pos.

thanks michigandem

[Wilms]

25. More Spam from Span?

[rhett o rick]

29. I find posts like this, dishonest, mean spirited, and divisive. This is a sight for "politically

liberal" people. Hello!

[Quantess]

34. "pretentious little drama queen"

Would you call him that if he were a heterosexual man? Somehow I doubt it.

[Warren Stupidity]

41. It isn't like this is a liberal progressive discussion board where homophobic slurs are

not tolerated or anything.

[bvar22]

42. THis is exactly what the UnRec button at DU2 was for.

To keep these kinds of hysterical, illogical, unsupportable, Right Wing Toilet Drippings OFF of the Front Page.

[nolabels]

59. Probably would need to consider the source

The guy promoting Snowden would engage in hyperbole seems kind of obvious. No doubt there are a lot of nefarious things going on in and outside the government but finding smoking guns is much like looking for unicorns. It's not the evidence that puts people in jail but more the proof of contempt and neglect.

[michigandem58]

110. The People's View is progressive

Check it out.

[SidDithers]

48. DU rec for The People View...nt

Sid

[Thinkingabout]

62. More than likely Greenwald is worried the information Snowden will release is his puppet masters.

Snowden could give names and information on the real scheme he is the patsy. Snowden has not had any problem releasing details which should have remained confident and t het his butt out of the transit zone this might be his ticket.

[Half-Century Man]

64. Harm to the US?

Have you ever talked to someone outside of the North American continent about our government and business practices? I have in Naples Italy, Athens Greece, Singapore (Republic of Singapore), and Haifa Israel. We aren't thought of highly. And this was during Reagan's Presidency.
The biggest questions was variations on "why are you so stupid?", "how does that make sense?" etc.
As we have kept doing the confusing things for the last 25+ years, I'm guessing our reputation has not gotten any better.


The only real harm Snowden could do is offer proof that we violated treaties we made. I suppose an historical account of said violations could be worse. If we played our friends and allies for fools, then the people who did so, in violation of treaties, need to be held accountable.

The harm to America comes from the secrecy, duplicity, the sell outs, cover-ups, and maybe war crimes. The people who may have committed some crimes while working for the American people are not the entirety of the American people. The harm comes from letting them roam free when they should face judgement.

[Brewinblue]

104. Ding, ding, ding . . .

We have a winner!

The only real harm Snowden could do is offer proof that we violated treaties we made. I suppose an historical account of said violations could be worse. If we played our friends and allies for fools, then the people who did so, in violation of treaties, need to be held accountable.

The harm to America comes from the secrecy, duplicity, the sell outs, cover-ups, and maybe war crimes. The people who may have committed some crimes while working for the American people are not the entirety of the American people. The harm comes from letting them roam free when they should face judgement.

If there was any chance that Snowden had information which could truly jeopardize our nation, or the lives of American agents abroad, or cause any similar harm, WOULDN'T HE BE FUCKING DEAD BY NOW? If not, well then I really would worry about our nation's security, because that would prove our Intelligence Community, Law Enforcement, and Military to be utterly inept.

Moving back to reality, Snowden almost certainly has information far more threatening to our government, the MIC, and the Oligarchs who rule us all: The Truth!

[railsback]

67. People here are now redefining the term 'drama queen' into a gay slur

Having grown up, and still living in SF, I've NEVER associated 'drama queen' with being gay. EVER. It has ALWAYS meant to be an overly dramatic person. Now many are contorting the meaning into being derogatory to gays to defend Greenwald… because, I guess, it has the word 'queen' in it? That's really sad.

I had a post recently hid because, thinking nothing of it, I used 'drama queen', to which the jury - probably the same ones who can't accept the Zimmerman decision - said I was homophobic. WTF.

Reason has definitely left the building.

[ProSense]

70. Snowden could

become a Russian citizen.

N.S.A. Leaks Stir Plans in Russia to Control Net
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023257342

[Major Hogwash]

77. Strange turn of events there, huh?

I wonder if he will settle down, get married, and raise some little Russkies of his own?
Sister Sarah could probably report for us, since she can see Russia from her house.

[whatchamacallit]

71. Prolific

stream of dog shit from the "People's View".

[randome]

72. Did they make up the Greenwald quotes?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[whatchamacallit]

75. Twisting a few statements into a stream of invective

doesn't make it any less crap.

[Waiting For Everyman]

73. The idiot blogger hates our views on Social Security too. How "liberal"!

Spandan Chakrabarti

Check out this intriguing subthread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022637092#post75

which came from this thread on one of his lovely blogs back in April:
For the Ideologue Left, Social Security Concern Trolling is a Racket


The address in D.C. referred to in the post above is the "Blake Building", which markets itself to "attorneys and lobbyists".

http://www.dcexecutivespace.com/dc-office-market/washington-dc/1025-connecticut-ave-nw-washington-dc-20036/?doing_wp_cron=1373834194.5769119262695312500000

In my opinion that guy is a RW marketing scammer subbing to HB Gary or something like it.

[Denzil_DC]

79. Good grief. Who's an idiot, now?

You originally wrote;

Spandan Chakrabarti

Check out this intriguing subthread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022637092#post75

which came from this thread on one of his lovely blogs back in April:
For the Ideologue Left, Social Security Concern Trolling is a Racket


So here's the "who is" for that blog:
https://who.godaddy.com/whois.aspx?k=+jfgmgcD+bNQBlgFOUNl9DB5lkPM9XNz8ufwU3MZRuR8NlmY8l+u3iQlp4hjJeMdiTJ3aNx1xEE=&domain=thepeoplesview.net&prog_id=GoDaddy

It's listed to:
Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration [email protected]
Domains By Proxy, LLC
DomainsByProxy.com
(I'll refrain from posting the address and phone numbers, but it is at the link; it's in Arizona.)


A search on that address yields these results:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=14747+N+Northsight+Blvd+Suite+111%2C+PMB+309+Scottsdale%2C+Arizona+85260


One of the entries in the search is this, from Rip Off Reports, which sounds a lot like the NC mugshots technique:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/wwwmugshotsworldcom/14747-n-northsight-blvd-suite-111-pmb-309-arizona-85260/mugshotsworldcom-you-can-lose-your-job-for-misdemeanor-arrest-14747-n-northsight-blvd-su-934377

There's also a health care company, which one search link shows was followed by an online investment forum, which apparently concluded that it was a scam. I don't know about that, but I do know that some of this stuff looks shady. The address in DC is the "Blake Building", which markets itself to "attorneys and lobbyists".

http://www.dcexecutivespace.com/dc-office-market/washington-dc/1025-connecticut-ave-nw-washington-dc-20036/?doing_wp_cron=1373834194.5769119262695312500000

In my opinion that guy is a RW marketing scammer subbing to HB Gary or something like it. He gives off a strong smell as an operative, that's for sure.

But most importantly... the idiot is an idiot.

Domains By Proxy® private registration, also known as privacy, is a service that lists proxy contact information in the Whois database instead of your personal contact information.

http://support.godaddy.com/help/category/231/domains-by-proxy-private-registration

The Scottsdale address belongs to the company Domains By Proxy, not Spandan Chakrabarti. To spell it out for you, a lot of people and organizations use companies like that to register domains:

Subscribers list Domains by Proxy as their administrative and technical contacts in the Internet's WHOIS database, thereby delegating responsibility for managing unsolicited contacts from third parties and keeping the domains owners personal information safe from the public eye.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domains_by_Proxy

You can safely post its address and phone number because it's an LLC's, not an individual's!

And as your expert sleuthing has uncovered, that address is shared by a number of other businesses and organizations. Is that you, Glenn?

And as other sleuths have discovered in the past, Chakrabarti is such a secret operative that he reveals his own name on his blog. I'm sure with some more digging and a tailwind, you can find out where he lives.

Now tell me, what color are his countertops?

[Waiting For Everyman]

80. Oh, his colors are Corporatist all the way, that much is clear.

His followers too.

[Denzil_DC]

82. LOL! Way to backtrack from the devastating findings of your research.

[Waiting For Everyman]

95. Omg, someone revised a post after an hour, omg!

Research? No, more like thinking out loud. But thanks for your interest. I'm flattered, truly.

[MisterP]

102. this is why brothers aren't allowed to marry nt

[bullwinkle428]

127. The guy sounds like a Third Way boiler-room operative.

[burnodo]

76. "the peoples view"

how ironic

[SkyIsGrey]

78. Then there is Greenwald's response to the quoted Reuters article, that the "peoples View" linked to.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/13/reuters-article-dead-man-s-switch

When you give many interviews in different countries and say essentially the same thing over and over, as I do, media outlets often attempt to re-package what you've said to make their interview seem new and newsworthy, even when it isn't. Such is the case with this Reuters article today, that purports to summarize an interview I gave to the daily newspaper La Nacion of Argentina.

Like everything in the matter of these NSA leaks, this interview is being wildly distorted to attract attention away from the revelations themselves. It's particularly being seized on to attack Edward Snowden and, secondarily, me, for supposedly "blackmailing" and "threatening" the US government. That is just absurd.

[renie408]

100. Is there a way to find out what he actually said?

[SkyIsGrey]

107. FTA

"Q: Beyond the revelations about the spying system performance in general, what extra information has Snowden?

"A: Snowden has enough information to cause more damage to the US government in a minute alone than anyone else has ever had in the history of the United States. But that's not his goal. [His] objective is to expose software that people around the world use without knowing what they are exposing themselves without consciously agreeing to surrender their rights to privacy. [He] has a huge number of documents that would be very harmful to the US government if they were made public."

[renie408]

108. If that is the quote, then how are they twisting his words or cherry picking?

He said it. Snowden took documents that could be severely damaging to the US government. That is enough for the treason charges right there, isn't it?

[SkyIsGrey]

112. Reading and comprehension.

Again FTA:

1) The oft-repeated claim that Snowden's intent is to harm the US is completely negated by the reality that he has all sorts of documents that could quickly and seriously harm the US if disclosed, yet he has published none of those. When he gave us the documents he provided, he repeatedly insisted that we exercise rigorous journalistic judgment in deciding which documents should be published in the public interest and which ones should be concealed on the ground that the harm of publication outweighs the public value. If his intent were to harm the US, he could have sold all the documents he had for a great deal of money, or indiscriminately published them, or passed them to a foreign adversary. He did none of that.

[Cleita]

84. Oh, my pretentious purveyor of cherry picked quotes taken out of context from

an interview in Spanish. I read the interview in Spanish and this is what was said:

Spanish

¿Más allá de las revelaciones sobre el funcionamiento del sistema de espionaje en general, ¿qué información extra tiene Snowden?

-Snowden cuenta con suficiente información como para causar más daño al gobierno estadounidense él solo en un minuto del que cualquier otra persona haya tenido jamás en la historia de Estados Unidos. Pero ése no es su objetivo. Su objetivo es dejar al descubierto programas informáticos que personas en todo el mundo utilizan sin saber a qué están exponiéndose y sin haber aceptado conscientemente ceder sus derechos a la privacidad. Tiene una enorme cantidad de documentos que serían muy dañinos para el gobierno de Estados Unidos si fueran hechos públicos.

English

Besides the revelations about how the espionage system works in general, what extra information does Snowden have?

Snowden has sufficient information to cause more damage to the government of the United States in one minute than any other person has had in the whole history of the United States. But this is not his objective. His objective is to expose computer programs that people around the world are exposed to and use without knowing they are giving up their rights to privacy without consciously agreeing to it. He has a huge amount of documents that could be very damaging to the United States Government if made public.

The bold highlights are mine.

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1600674-glenn-greenwald-snowden-tiene-informacion-para-causar-mas-dano

I have translated the whole interview and if any one wants it PM me and I will send it to you although I won't be able to for a couple of hours. However, it goes on to say that his information has been distributed for safe keeping to various parts of the world. If any harm comes to him, then those people, probably other news publications will make those revelations public. He's running scared but he took out insurance. It's not quite like he's trying to blackmail anyone. He's trying to save his life.

[DeSwiss]

88. K&-R

- Always check your source for stains.....

[asjr]

93. Snowden should plead insanity and come home.

[WillyT]

98. Release It ALL... Let's See What Worms Are Under This Rock...

I want to know.

[99th_Monkey]

99. An exaggerated string of transparently fraudulent insinuations

all designed to KILL THE MESSENGER QUICK!!! ...by making GG the issue, not what
is being exposed by Snowden, and Manning, Assange, et. al. .

Is that all you got? Seems so.

[freedom fighter jh]

105. Didn't say he'd harm the nation.

Said he'd harm the government.

Given the context, that could mean publishing embarrassing information about some folks in government.

[bvar22]

111. THAT would be HELPING our nation!

I'm ALL for TRANSPARECY,
and so was Candidate Obama in 2008.

[Phlem]

113. Ask Valerie Plame Wilson about leaks

I'm sure she knows what kind of harm can befall a leak.

-p

[freedom fighter jh]

115. She has expressed an opinion about Snowden.

". . . we owe him a debt of gratitude for finally bringing this question into the public square for the robust discussion it deserves." http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/23/nsa-intelligence-industrial-complex-abuse

[Whisp]

120. was this before or after it was known he had lists of agents?

I don't think Plame would condone that kind of thing.

[freedom fighter jh]

121. I don't think she'd condone Snowden or Greenwald releasing the names of agents.

Did Greenwald threaten to do that?

[Whisp]

123. He was very threatening in his wording

so I wouldn't rule that out, no.

[freedom fighter jh]

125. I can't imagine why he would go in that direction.

Up to this point, Snowden has been all about disclosing government wrongdoing. Now it looks like Greenwald is trying to protect Snowden's life by threatening to disclose embarrassing information should Snowden come to harm. Neither one of those things has anything to do with leaking agents' names, nor, as far as I know, has either Snowden or Greenwald threatened to release agents' names.

So why would anything think they would?

[Phlem]

122. I would have guessed this

It's not OK for anyone else except the corrupt politicians eh. I would be forever pissed if I new someone in the upper echelons used agents like that in any way.

It's OK for our government to do it but NO, no body else!

Ahh... another chapter in crazy up side down world concluding for the day.

I need a beer.



-p

[freedom fighter jh]

126. Back atcha, Phlem

[flamingdem]

114. It really seems like GG didn't consider

the reality of putting crosshairs on Snowden.

Why did he make those statements?

One theory could be that he may be implicated in the NSA theft
and wants Snowden to be eliminated. Not that he thinks things
through exactly, he shoots from the hip. But there's something
out of control about those statements.

[freedom fighter jh]

116. I think he made those statements because he *did* consider

the possibility of putting crosshairs on Snowden.

Take out Snowden and everything you don't want known about you becomes public.

Good incentive not to take out Snowden.

[flamingdem]

117. It's possible he meant that

but did he consider that every enemy of the USA would be gunning for him?

Just check twitter comments and many USA haters are saying "bring it on".

Plenty of people want chaos for its own sake too.

[Luminous Animal]

124. Are you really all just this stupid.Info is not realeased.