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antigop

(12,778 posts)
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:27 PM Jul 2013

Trans Pacific Partnership is a Threat To National Sovereignty

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/07/10/trans-pacific-partnership-tpp-threat-to-national-sovereignty/

The negotiations — the 18th round of which will commence in Kota Kinabalu (Malaysia) on the 15th of July 2013 — are shrouded in secrecy though representatives of major corporations such as Monsanto, Walmart, Bank of America, JP Morgan, Cargill, Exxon-Mobil, and Chevron, among others, it is alleged, have had full access to the draft and have been “suggesting amendments.” One of the issues that has caused grave concern is a set of rules in the TPP which apparently would empower foreign corporations to bypass domestic laws and courts and challenge government policies and regulations aimed at protecting the public interest via tribunals linked to the World Bank and the UN. If this is true, it would be an affront to national sovereignty.

The TPP also prohibits governments and central banks from imposing capital controls or banning risky financial products. Central banks would have diminished capacity to regulate the entry and exit of speculative capital. Countries that are part of the TPP would be compelled to create an even more conducive environment for casino capitalism. Given Malaysia’s relative success in developing regulatory mechanisms during and after the 1998 Asian financial crisis, this aspect of the TPP would be particularly galling.

The adverse impact of this trade pact upon national sovereignty and the economic wellbeing of countries such as Malaysia is underscored by yet another provision which questions our procurement policies. Apart from seeking to rectify economic imbalances, government procurement policies have also attempted to expedite technology transfers to local industries, enhance export capabilities and curb foreign exchange outflows. These are goals that do not conform to TPP objectives.
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Trans Pacific Partnership is a Threat To National Sovereignty (Original Post) antigop Jul 2013 OP
Isn't that what the CONS are always saying about the U.N.? Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #1
"Just sayin'" what? What does the UN have in common with the TPP? merrily Jul 2013 #2
I mean the same over the top rhetoric is used in both cases Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #6
That does not make lumping the two together valid. merrily Jul 2013 #16
a spurious comparison. cali Jul 2013 #8
TPP will "void democracy" according to merrily Jul 2013 #3
and according to Business Week, Hillary took a leading part in the drafting of the TPP antigop Jul 2013 #4
so what? it's not about hilary, or obama, or jeb bush for that matter, it's about the damn policy. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #7
it's a policy that the corporate Dems are supporting. nt antigop Jul 2013 #9
the entire party is corporate, not just certain players. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #11
I'm going to continue to call out the players. I disagree that the "entire" party is corporate. antigop Jul 2013 #12
and I'm going to continue to call out the corporate Dems on their policies. nt antigop Jul 2013 #10
Gawd, make it stop please. Teamsters, unions, workers have been sounding the alarm Catherina Jul 2013 #5
Warren, Brown, Sanders want the negotiations to continue - just with the right focus. pampango Jul 2013 #13
"Liberal U.S. Senator" is an oxymoron and losing democracy and jobs seems merrily Jul 2013 #15
Yes, it's being designed to promote corporate sovereignty at the expense of national byeya Jul 2013 #14

merrily

(45,251 posts)
2. "Just sayin'" what? What does the UN have in common with the TPP?
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:31 PM
Jul 2013

That's like comparing Congress with with the Patriot Act.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
16. That does not make lumping the two together valid.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 05:41 AM
Jul 2013

Over the top praise is used for the Framers and the Mona Lisa.

Yet, trying to say we should like the Mona Lisa simply because people praise the Framers would make no sense.

As far as your "hooey" comment, you don't seem to have any grasp of the terms of the TPP that have been leaked so far. If you did, maybe you could say something about it, positive or negative that is more to the point than people criticize the UN too.

http://www.labornotes.org/2013/07/secret-tpp-deal-would-void-democracy

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
8. a spurious comparison.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:11 PM
Jul 2013

Do you know anything at all about the TPP? Last year, leaks confirmed that the same tribunal system as is present in NAFTA's Chapter 11 and is mimicked in just about every other U.S. trade agreement, is present in the TPP. Results from these tribunals have favored investors (read corporations) 70% of the time, with disastrous and tragic results. Yes, they've damaged sovereignty. Tribunal findings override national laws and in this country, state laws. This has caused and will continue to cause environmental damage. Environmental laws and land use laws are the laws most frequently challenged to tribunals.


 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
7. so what? it's not about hilary, or obama, or jeb bush for that matter, it's about the damn policy.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:03 PM
Jul 2013

antigop

(12,778 posts)
12. I'm going to continue to call out the players. I disagree that the "entire" party is corporate.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:53 PM
Jul 2013

Almost all, but not entire.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
5. Gawd, make it stop please. Teamsters, unions, workers have been sounding the alarm
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 04:10 PM
Jul 2013
If you do not use your eyes to see, you will need them to weep. Jean-Paul Sartre

pampango

(24,692 posts)
13. Warren, Brown, Sanders want the negotiations to continue - just with the right focus.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:55 PM
Jul 2013

Losing some national sovereignty is not a bad thing if the result is more progressive. Many Europrean countries have had national labor, environmental and other laws overruled by the EU because they were not liberal enough.

The liberal senators above have not called for a halt in TPP negotiations. They support the inclusion of labor and environmental standards in the agreement. Meanwhile, the right wing Heritage Foundation believes that "TPP negotiations to date have included excessive U.S. posturing on environmental standards and labor regulations. There is a danger of further such posturing as a proposed U.S.–European Union FTA moves forward."

 

byeya

(2,842 posts)
14. Yes, it's being designed to promote corporate sovereignty at the expense of national
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 06:03 PM
Jul 2013

sovereignty.
What did you expect from this administration?

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