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[NoOneMan]

1. Was he asked if he thought it was his son that was shot by the defendant?

Because, you know, that point isn't being contended by either side.

[yardwork]

2. How cruel

The man's son was murdered. As a mom I can barely stand to listen to those tapes of Trayvon screaming. I can think of lots of reasons why the father would whisper no.

[HockeyMom]

8. These MEN just don't get it

Why is there an all female jury? Maybe the Defense thought their being White would change that, but I don't think so. Males just don't get it.

[demwing]

53. Oh this should be fucking rich!

What exactly is it that we poor developmentally challenged men don't get?

[HiPointDem]

11. yes, & one in particular. 'no' to the horror of it.

[yardwork]

13. Yes. No to the horror of it.

[lumpy]

47. Quite likely. Many time people will say "no" or "oh no" on seeing or hearing

something devistating.

[HiPointDem]

27. it came as he *heard the tape*. go peddle your crap somewhere else.

[Enrique]

3. oh, he said it "under his breath"

that's the first I heard that. That leaves a lot of room for the jury to decide that the cop misheard or misunderstood what Mr. Martin said.

And thus no "flip flop".

[HiPointDem]

12. +1.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

4. Why are you posting this? Trashing thread, troll.

[customerserviceguy]

68. Because the last two days of the trial have been pretty decisive for the defense

On one hand, you have only TM's mother saying the scream was his, and that was immediately followed up by the mother on the other side. Perhaps a "tie", perhaps not. Then, today you have a parade of witnesses on the defendant's side saying it was him, followed by the cop's testimony that even the father didn't think it was his son.

A big, big part of reasonable doubt was established today.

[NoOneMan]

72. I'm not even sure why it matters who was screaming

I can chase some kid down and yell all kinds of crazy shit before I shoot him to death. It doesn't change the fact that I ran someone down and shot them to death

[Pretzel_Warrior]

5. Orlando Sentinel seems to want Zimmy freed

their coverage has been horrible. And did you come here just to post about the trial? Just curious.

[darkangel218]

17. Yes i noticed that.

OS have always been unfair though , fuck em.

[Cali_Democrat]

6. Welcome to DU. n/t

[darkangel218]

9. I cant watch the trial.

An unarmed teen was shot and killed in cold blood.
If the jury lets this bastard walk , I know there is no justice left in this world.


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[friendlyFRIEND]

37. No. If he walks, seek to change laws.

A jury judges innocence/guilt based on LAW not emotions or what is right/wrong.

I say go for removing all CC and open carry privileges.

[darkangel218]

44. Excuse me?

What does CC have anything to do with this??

You propose punishing all the law abiding cc citizens because of a psycho like GZ??

Spare me!

[Hoyt]

54. Why not? Most I've known were very much like Zimmerman.

[darkangel218]

58. Im nothing like Zimmerman.

And so are most cc permit holders.

[darkangel218]

50. Im sorry i was abrasive in the other post.

What I would do is fight for a psych evaluation for anyone who applies for a cc or open carry permit. That of course , in adition to a very thorough backround check.

Sorry again.

[friendlyFRIEND]

71. its ok...

I guess what I meant was just that the incident could have never happened without legal carry.

So someone needs to weigh the rights and security of gun owners would won't "oopsy" and kill someone against the threat of one who might?

A better background check sounds good too

[spanone]

10. flip flop my ass. he said he didn't recognize the voice on the tape. keep trying.

[avebury]

23. Like Serino doesn't have an axe to grind.

He has been demoted and his testimony exhibits an obvious bias towards the defense.

[yardwork]

33. Serino was demoted?

As a result of his handling of this case? That is highly relevant fit.

Dang auto correct

[avebury]

42. I don't know exactly why he got

demoted but it sure looks suspicious that it happened after the social media clamor that Zimmerman be arrested and the police department had not desire to until they were pressured.

[yardwork]

49. That explains a lot

He was clearly suspicious of Zimmerman after the shooting. He's twisted himself into a pretzel to help the defense. This is a very corrupt little community.

[trumad]

14. Flips flop only in the minds of douchebag trolls

[darkangel218]

19. +1000

[demwing]

70. "douchebag trolls"

Sounds like a punk band!

[Stuckinthebush]

15. I'm beginning to see this going for the defense

Now the police chief is up talking about how bad it was to have a group listen to the audio together.

Sadly I think enough questions about the screaming will be introduced that the jurors will say it could be Z. I am now leaning toward this thing going for the defense.

[customerserviceguy]

75. I saw this coming before the trial

O'Mara won an awful lot of things pre-trial, even getting the judge changed. I think that having an all woman jury will help him when he finishes up demonizing TM, and he certainly won something by having no African-Americans on the jury, and one Hispanic on there, to boot.

He's managed to poke at least a tiny hole in every one of the prosecution's witnesses, and in some cases, big ones. I didn't hear any such thing from the prosecution on the defense's witnesses so far. Since they probably won't put GZ on the stand, his inconsistencies will get kicked under the rug.

[AtomicKitten]

16. Oh bullshit. There was no "flip-flip" but

I'll bet that's what they're saying over a Faux News, the NRA, and other hate groups.

He's the father of a young son killed in cold blood. No doubt he was devastated but "flip flop", I think not.

Don't get your hopes up, dude.

[onehandle]

18. Well, whatever gives gun nuts a chubbie. nt

[bunnies]

62. Viagra?

[gollygee]

20. Well, I heard someone say "coon" and not "goon"

The only time I've heard anyone use the word "goon" was about mean hockey players. No one calls people goons and no one has for 50 years.

There is so much bullshit coming from the defense.

[lumpy]

56. I heard a Zimmerman tape while he was on the phone to authorities talking

about following Martin. He said in a low mutter "f###ing coon". Other have commented on that. There is no doubt in my mind that he has racial hangups.

[HappyMe]

21. You certainly are

tilting at windmills there, Quixote.

[Kali]

73. I just hate when the good usernames go to waste.

[Submariner]

24. His son was just murdered by a skinhead punk

so he can't be blamed for being distraught. A white cop in Florida testifying against a black kid is no surprise. The cop's testimony has been struck down by the court.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/02/george-zimmerman-trial-judge-sanford-detective-serino_n_3536387.html

[Nevernose]

26. That's the exact OPPOSITE of what flip-flop means

He didn't change his story, even when the police contradicted him. That's the exact opposite of flip-flopping.

[Starry Messenger]

28. Aren't you a peach.

[JustAnotherGen]

29. Last time I heard

Flip Flop - some IndieTeaPublicans were screaming it at the 2004 Pig Vomit RepubliCON convention. Were you there?

[darkangel218]

31. Bet he was.

[yardwork]

36. Probably wearing a tea bag on his head

[darkangel218]

39. With the word Moran

[yardwork]

43. It's him!

This could actually BE the moran man

[Warren Stupidity]

30. A jury voted 3-3 to keep rightwing spin on the zimmerman trial up.

[HappyMe]

35. I'm sorry to say

I'm not surprised.

[Laurian]

38. Really?

Damn. Wish I'd been on that jury.

[HangOnKids]

45. Here are the results Juror 4 and 5 are CLUELESS!

Obvious troll. His name alone sets off alarms... "Ron Quixote"

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Jul 8, 2013, 01:26 PM, and the Jury voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: Troll. DU is infested. I'm about done.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Yeah probably a troll. Not a disruptive post though.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: This is a douche troll post, but the post does not rise to the level of a "hide".
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: Send the troll to the shit-can. Thanks!

[pintobean]

51. Went 5-1 to leave yesterday's

Dan Abrams editorial post. Same OP.

[darkangel218]

61. You mean same poster??

Where ie MIRT????

[arcane1]

32. Where's the flip-flop? The cop says one thing, the father says another.

[Hoyt]

34. Zimmerman said it wasn't his voice. Well who is left if it was not Zimmerman?

I'm not going to second guess a father hearing his son murdered while sitting in a police station. For all his dad knew, they were trying to pin every crime in town on his son.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

40. Hey Adric.

What be up?

[HangOnKids]

48. Yep!

[HappyMe]

60. Do tell.

Send me a pm. Inquiring MIRTers and stuff.

[hrmjustin]

64. I am glad you saw that because I was going to PM you to check out the OP.

[HappyMe]

66. In the works.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

65. .

[NOLALady]

41. It seems to me

Tracy Martin said "No" as in "No, this can't be real!"

Have you ever lost a child? I certainly can understand his "NO".

[LittleBlue]

46. It was bad testimony

His father saying he doesn't recognize the voice clouds the issue.

The prosecution's case is falling apart. They are plugging leaks in their sinking ship rather than sailing it effectively. The prosecution should have presented some smoking gun evidence already. That's what I expected after this incident occurred. All they have done is present reasonable doubt about Zimmerman's account, but haven't presented compelling evidence of their own assertions.

Every piece of evidence the prosecution presents is shot so full of doubt that it's borderline useless. That's a far cry from evidence that moves the jury beyond a reasonable doubt.

[Politicalboi]

52. Hasn't anybody heard of denial

He sure didn't want it to be his son. But now he has come to terms with it. IMO

[hrmjustin]

55. Tell me Ron Quixote, do you think Zimmerman is guilty or not?

[Just Saying]

57. Even saying it doesn't sound like Trayvon

If that's what he meant, doesn't mean he was saying it wasn't Trayvon.

Ever heard audio of your kid screaming right before he was murdered? I can imagine a father isn't in the best mindset after that.

Your conjectures aren't obvious to those if us who think Zimmerman is guilty.

I'm curious. Why do you support Zimmerman? And how come so few that do won't admit it?

[Azathoth]

63. Oh, the irony, it hurts

On edit:

Zimmerman saying that the voice doesn't sound like him == Ironclad denial, lie, case over, go straight to the electric chair.

Tracy Martin saying the voice doesn't sound like his son == doesn't mean he said it wasn't his son, not a denial, means nothing, nothing to see here.

[Just Saying]

67. Meaning? N/t

[Azathoth]

69. Sorry, just edited my post to make it more clear n/t

[Just Saying]

74. I never said that Zimmerman denied it was him.

Yesterday (I think) I posted a link to that exact audio because someone else brought it up.

Some people believe that's what Z meant while others think he was saying he didn't recognize his own voice on tape. My point was that both of those are opinions.

IMO he wouldn't be stupid enough to say it wasn't him even if it wasn't.