Updating List of Snowden Asylum Options:

[flamingdem]

Last edited Thu Jul 4, 2013, 06:46 PM - Edit history (2)

Current for NO:

Austria No.

Brazil No.

Ecuador No.

Finland No.

India No.

Ireland No.

Norway No.

Poland No.

Russia No. * withdrawn

Spain No.

-------------------- ADDITIONS

France No.

Norway No.

Germany No.

Switzerland No.

Netherlands No.

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Current for UNDECIDED:

Cuba - unlikely

Bolivia

Venezuela - will not be ferrying him to Caracas in Pres. Maduro's private jet

China

Nicaragua

Switzerland - moved to NO

Netherlands - moved to NO

Germany - moved to NO


** Cuba has indirectly failed him - meaning that Cuba did not allow Snowden to transit there a week ago

“Snowden himself is in a pretty difficult situation,” said Dmitri V. Trenin, director of the Carnegie Moscow Center. “I think he was following Assange’s advice trying to get to Ecuador, but then Ecuador, and, indirectly, Cuba, have failed him. I think Venezuela is talking to the U.S. as well. The U.S. can offer things to Venezuela.”



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/03/world/europe/snowden.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


MOSCOW — Asylum options appeared to narrow further on Tuesday for Edward J. Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor on the run from American authorities, as at least eight countries reacted unfavorably to his requests for sanctuary and the Kremlin said he had withdrawn his application to Russia.

Only Venezuela and Bolivia appeared to offer him a hint of hope for a way out of his limbo inside the international airport transit lounge at Sheremetyevo airport in Moscow, where he has been ensconced out of public view for nine days.

President Nicolás Maduro of Venezuela, visiting Russia, said that while he had not yet received an application from Mr. Snowden and would not use his plane to ferry Mr. Snowden home with him, he held out the possibility that Venezuela might ultimately agree to shelter Mr. Snowden.




Asylum applications - Country by Country


• Austria: His request is not valid, because applicants must be in Austria and submit their applications in person.
• Bolivia: Despite WikiLeaks' statement, Morales, the Bolivian president, said Bolivia has not received a request for asylum on Snowden's behalf, Itar-Tass reported.
• Brazil: The country won't grant asylum or even respond to the request, Reuters reported Tuesday, citing a Foreign Ministry spokesman.
• China: The Ministry of Foreign Affairs said Tuesday it had no information to offer on Snowden's case.
• Cuba: No response yet.
• Ecuador: The South American country has said that it's considering Snowden's request but that he needs to reach its territory.
• Finland: "We don't have an official application from Snowden," Jorma Vuorio, director general for the migration department of the Interior Ministry, told CNN. "He just left a letter requesting asylum at the Finnish Embassy in Moscow. According to Finnish legislation, it is not possible to leave an asylum application outside the Finnish territory."
• France: Hollande, the French president, said he has "not received any particular demands from Mr. Snowden," according to French television reports.
• Germany: Asylum requests must be made from within the country, but an Interior Ministry spokesman also said "the German right of residence principally entails the possibility of acceptance from abroad, if this seems necessary for international legal or urgent humanitarian reasons, or for the ensuring of political interests of the federal republic of Germany. This needs to be examined thoroughly in the case of Mr. Snowden."
• Iceland: Officials have said asylum seekers need to be in Icelandic territory in order to apply.
• India: Ministry of External Affairs spokesman Syed Akbaruddin said Tuesday that India will deny the request.
• Ireland: The Irish Justice Ministry declined to confirm whether it had received a request on Snowden's behalf, but said Irish law requires that applicants reach the country's borders before a request can be considered.
• Italy: The Italian Foreign Ministry said it received an asylum request by fax. The country accepts requests done in Italian territory or at the border, the ministry said.
• The Netherlands: Snowden would need to be in Holland to formally request shelter, a spokesman for the Dutch state secretary said Tuesday.
• Nicaragua: No response yet.
• Norway: The country confirms the receipt of his request, but usually, asylum seekers must be in the country already to be allowed to apply. The Ministry of Justice is considering whether or not to process his application.
• Poland: Snowden's request for asylum doesn't fulfill requirements, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said Tuesday.
• Russia: Snowden has withdrawn his request for permission to stay in Russia, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Tuesday, according to the news agency RIA Novosti.
• Spain: The country is not reviewing Snowden's request because it must be made from within or on its borders, a Foreign Ministry spokeswoman said.
• Switzerland: Applicants for political asylum have to be on Swiss soil, a spokeswoman for the Swiss federal office for migration said Tuesday. Swiss authorities aren't aware of any application by Snowden, the spokeswoman said.
• Venezuela: "We haven't been asked for help, but when he asks, he will have an answer," Maduro, the Venezuelan president, said Tuesday.

[HipChick]

1. Alternative..

Perp Walk to US jail..

[villager]

2. While so many other actual perps, shredding our Constitution, economy, and environment...

...walk free.

And/or get appointed to cabinet positions.

[flamingdem]

3. I can't see Boliva or Venezuela bothering with him

because he's basically a headache.

If they or another nation takes him at this point I'd say it's because the US has revealed that they don't want the headache either!

I think the USA is okay with getting him back though!

[flamingdem]

4. Snowden's Asylum Requests Draw Cold Responses - Germany did say no

MOSCOW—The National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden's options narrowed Tuesday as his globe-spanning, 21-country plea for asylum largely came up short, raising the possibility of a prolonged stay in the transit zone of Moscow's Sheremetyevo Airport.

A few countries, including Germany, Poland, India and Brazil, rejected Mr. Snowden's request for asylum outright. Others said he must make it to their soil to file a claim—at present an impossibility for the 30-year-old fugitive, given his lack of a valid passport or active travel documents.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324436104578580640258516774.html

[alcibiades_mystery]

5. His only chance at stalling a return to the US is getting on EU soil and invoking EU asylum

All the EU nations said basically the same thing: you need to be here to make an asylum application. That doesn't mean they're grant asylum if he managed to get there, but that they'd have to go through often time-consuming procedures. Snowden could probably buy himself several months should he manage to get to Prague or Berlin. Of course, Putin doesn't want to be seen letting him do that (there are only two crimes in Putin's mind: risking something for nothing, and looking like a fool), and therein lies the rub. I'm surprised he's lasted this long, to be honest, and I'd be more surprised if he made it past this time next week out of US custody.

[HipChick]

6. EU don't want him either..

[alcibiades_mystery]

8. Of course the EU wants nothing to do with him, but they have fixed asylum procedures

that he'd be able to invoke, through the EU specifically. he will be denied asylum, because the EU isn't going to say that the US would mistreat him or that he wouldn't receive a fair trial in US courts. So, he'd end up extradited. Because of the crush of (legitimate) asylum seekers across the EU, however, that could take months.

[Recursion]

25. The EU has an asylum process that would buy him some time, probably

Though it also has exceptions for wanted fugitives that basically leave it up to the government in question.

[flamingdem]

7. Germany said no and for some reason I don't see Eastern European countries on the list

I agree it's not looking good for Snowden. I'm not sure of the procedure should a country like Bolivia take him. They have to have Putin's permission to get him on a plane.

If Putin can't have him, nobody can!

[alcibiades_mystery]

9. Individual EU countries don't really matter

He'd file for asylum before the EU Commission under the Common European Asylum System were he to make it to an EU nation.

[flamingdem]

10. Then all that is left on the list is Netherlands, Nicaragua, China

Venezuela and Bolivia.

Cuba already rejected even having him fly through their territory, remember he had purchased a ticket to Havana and never left.

Venezuela has too much to lose. Bolivia might hear from Correa about why Ecuador changed to an emphatic NO.

Netherlands I have no idea why they have not said no or yes.

China, well my theory is that he has some connection there. The optics are terrible, I think they'd say
no for the sake of China-US relations.

Nicaragua, who knows, no reason I can see for them to say yes. Same as Bolivia, same circle that will tell them to be careful.

[randome]

12. Prince Willem and his mother in the Netherlands are still 'reviewing the request'.

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[flamingdem]

15. Maybe we could use him to plug one of our dikes!

Oh that's right he's a leaker!

[longship]

26. Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

This is Snowden's problem.

It's a very sticky wicket! A Catch 22.

One week, or a thousand. He is losing this battle. Thank you very little, Mr. Assange.

That's my reading of the sit, from what has been reported.

[randome]

11. Only one man can save the Snowy One now.

Aquaman's statement on Snowden: "If he can reach the coast somehow..."



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[snooper2]

13. What about North Korea

I'm sure they will take him in

His IT skills are probably on par with the 80's technology they are running. MS-DOS 3.2? He can help the great leader!

[flamingdem]

14. The care about NBA not NSA!

But yes North Korea might be added to the list any second now.

[UTUSN]

30. I'm taking credit for N. Korea!1

Whatever SNOWDEN's info,its value is time-limited, has shelflife, expiration date, even for N. Korea
Am surprised that N. Korea has been so quiet throughout this episode. It is so needy for attention and so expert at playing the passive-aggressive game, besides (as a DUer noted) it is so close to Hong Kong, that it would seem a perfect fit.

But whatever info SNOWDEN has left, it's got a diminishing value. Whether some believe our government is nefarious or incompetent, any self-respecting "villain" would at least try to have some kind of contingency plans that might short circuit damage.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023157445

[flamingdem]

31. ermah gawd no no no nnnn north korea said No!

say it ain't soooo



what a find, it's art it is!

[flamingdem]

16. Bolivian and Venezuelan not sounding committed to granting Snowden asylum

-- snip

But Bolivian President Evo Morales said he would be willing to grant Snowden asylum.

"Yes, why not," Morales said, Russia's state-run Itar-Tass news agency reported, citing an interview with the Russia Today news network. "We are worried at the demeanor of countries such as U.S.A."

And Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro said Snowden deserves protection, not prosecution, according to Reuters.
"What crime has he committed? Did he kill anyone? Did he plant a bomb and kill anyone?" the news agency quoted him as saying. "No, much better, he has prevented wars, and he has stopped illegalities being committed against the entire world. For this, he deserves the protection of the world."

But as of Tuesday morning, it did not appear that either country had made a firm offer of asylum, or any way for him to leave Moscow's Sheremetyevo International Airport.

That appeared to leave Snowden in much the same pickle he's been in since he left Hong Kong last month for Moscow. Russian authorities say he remains in the airport transit area -- technically a free man, but unable to travel after the United States revoked his passport.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/02/politics/nsa-leak/index.html

[Tx4obama]

17. Additional article with a list of NOs on the link below

Toward the bottom of the article here: http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/02/politics/nsa-leak/index.html?hpt=hp_t2



Edited to add...
Oops I now see you have that link

[flamingdem]

18. Thanks, always good to bump up the list

In case of any news regarding the remaining countries and to keep DU informed

I wonder if he'll try a new batch after this one.

[warrprayer]

19. I am Edward Snowden

[MNBrewer]

20. It's a ratfucker's wet dream, isn't it?

Not you, Flamingdem. I mean the NSA establishment, e.g., Clapper et al.

[HipChick]

21. Breaking News..he might be on AirForce 1

Bolivian Air Force One

Plane carrying Bolivia President Morales is diverted to Austria on suspicion US fugitive #Snowden is on board - Bolivian minister

[flamingdem]

22. wow!

googling..

[HipChick]

23. Plane was diverted and trying to land in Austria

[AlinPA]

24. Why not Iran? Syria?

[Tx4obama]

27. New UPDATES for Norway and France

BREAKING: France Turns Down Snowden Asylum Request
July 4, 2013

France is rejecting a request for asylum from fugitive former U.S. intelligence contractor Edward Snowden.

-snip-

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023170261

Snowden’s asylum request rejected (Norway)
July 4, 2013

Justice Minister Grete Faremo has halted attempts to get the Norwegian government to reconsider an asylum request from Edward Snowden...

-snip-

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023170165

[flamingdem]

28. Thanks! I must be more up to date with the list!

[Tx4obama]

29. UPDATE: Iceland Votes 6-57 AGAINST granting Snowden Citizenship

Last edited Fri Jul 5, 2013, 03:33 AM - Edit history (1)

July 4, 2013

... the bill to grant Snowden citizenship received limited support Thursday. Six members of minority parties were in favor out of Parliament's 63 members.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023170413

[Tx4obama]

32. Updates for: Nicaragua and Venezuela

Venezuela's President Maduro Offers Asylum to US Fugitive Snowden
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014528428


Nicaragua's President Ortega says Edward Snowden applied for asylum, which would be granted
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023179018

[flamingdem]

33. Lol!!

Will get on it shortly