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bigtree

(85,996 posts)
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 10:46 AM Jul 2013

President Obama to Egypt: "Assaulting women does not qualify as peaceful protest."

Last edited Mon Jul 1, 2013, 05:16 PM - Edit history (1)

tweeted by, Zeke Miller ?@ZekeJMiller 2m

RT @EvanMcSan: Obama to protesters in Egypt: "Assaulting women does not qualify as peaceful protest."


Zeke Miller ?@ZekeJMiller 4m
Obama calls for "restraint" from both side in Egypt and raises alarm about assaults on women among protesting groups




petesouza ?@petesouza 22m
President Obama during news conference today at State House in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania pic.twitter.com/owVouW1Jdr

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President Obama to Egypt: "Assaulting women does not qualify as peaceful protest." (Original Post) bigtree Jul 2013 OP
What's he referring to? leftstreet Jul 2013 #1
I'm wondering the same thing. arcane1 Jul 2013 #4
here bigtree Jul 2013 #6
I smell bullshit leftstreet Jul 2013 #13
I see what you did there bigtree Jul 2013 #14
Can you link to stats on rapes before the protests? leftstreet Jul 2013 #16
you have a problem with the reporting of these assaults bigtree Jul 2013 #17
I agree to an extent. Brewinblue Jul 2013 #23
Really? CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #15
Has he told the NYPD too ? n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author lumberjack_jeff Jul 2013 #3
/ bigtree Jul 2013 #5
Horrible maddezmom Jul 2013 #7
I shouldn't have assumed bigtree Jul 2013 #10
I am familiar with the ongoing situation maddezmom Jul 2013 #11
in my case bigtree Jul 2013 #12
I think attention has been taken up with other issues ismnotwasm Jul 2013 #25
There have been forty-six separate sexual assaults during this round of protests in Tahrir Square bunnies Jul 2013 #9
In a protest of 14 million people? lumberjack_jeff Jul 2013 #18
on edit: We agree. bunnies Jul 2013 #20
I'm self deleting because I think you're right. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jul 2013 #21
I edited too. bunnies Jul 2013 #22
Why are they still sending women journalists to Egypt? LittleBlue Jul 2013 #8
Why do women still have babies when doing so can kill them? justiceischeap Jul 2013 #19
Egypt should be off-limits to women journalists? oberliner Jul 2013 #24
Reports of this were all over the place on Twitter during the protests. A woman was hiding out in Pirate Smile Jul 2013 #26
How does he know the perpetrators are not agents of the government . . . markpkessinger Jul 2013 #27
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
4. I'm wondering the same thing.
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 11:19 AM
Jul 2013

I haven't kept up with the news enough, all I know is there are massive protests going on, I haven't heard anything about assaults. I can't say it would surprise me, though

leftstreet

(36,108 posts)
13. I smell bullshit
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 04:47 PM
Jul 2013
This attack is truly devastating, and, sadly, it's hardly far from the norm. A report by the UN finds that over 99 percent of Egyptian women have experienced some form of sexual harassment or assault in their life. According to Ahram Online, Operation Anti-Sexual Harassment (an Egyptian women's group) reported forty-six separate sexual assaults during this round of anti-Morsi protests in Tahrir Square. On Sunday night, grassroots anti-harassment groups urged women to stay away from the area altogether: "The area is not safe and we recommend leaving, if possible," tweeted Tahrir Bodyguard. Operation Anti-Sexual Harassment reports that men armed with sticks were standing by the entrance to the Tahrir metro station, attacking women.


So it's those evil anti-Morsi protest people!

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
14. I see what you did there
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 05:00 PM
Jul 2013

. . . dismissing the reports of the assaults on women as 'bullshit.'

All of that without one shred of corroboration other than your sense of smell. Amazing.

You're coming at this from the 'left,' you say?

leftstreet

(36,108 posts)
16. Can you link to stats on rapes before the protests?
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 05:22 PM
Jul 2013

That would be helpful

It's hard to imagine millions of working class people in Egypt, no jobs, shit wages, no social services, no security, no future would unify against the elite, take to the streets, risk law enforcement reaction, and think 'oh wow let's rape!'

Give me a fucking break

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
17. you have a problem with the reporting of these assaults
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 05:35 PM
Jul 2013

The president's admonition was a balanced one. He called for restraint and peaceful assembly on all sides - from all of the protesters and from the government forces, as well.

Do you believe we need to ignore these reports in order to support the assembly? I think that most folks can balance these concerns with much more prescience than you have here.

They aren't, for instance, a valid pretext for the threatened crackdown on the assembly by government forces.

Brewinblue

(392 posts)
23. I agree to an extent.
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 06:23 PM
Jul 2013

I accept that 46 rapes have occurred during the protests. But I highly doubt that they were legitimate protesters.
More likely, the rapists were just thugs taking advantage of the chaos present in a crowd of 14 million people. Or, they are Morsi supporters stirring up shit. The Morsi government is clearly being disingenuous in condemning the rapists. Since when do radical Islamists have such a problem with men who rape women, it's the female victims they condemn.

Response to bigtree (Original post)

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
5. /
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 03:15 PM
Jul 2013

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tweeted by, V-Day ?@VDay 2m

Another female journalist gang-raped amid in Egypt protests. This must end! http://bit.ly/15bzRBk #reasontorise Retweeted by Josh Marshall

Female Foreign Journalist Gang-Raped in Horrific Tahrir Square Attack

Egyptian media are reporting that a Dutch journalist was raped by several men in Cairo's Tahrir Square on Friday. According to a post from Sunday on the Facebook page of Dina Zakaria, an Egyptian journalist, "her condition is severe and she is hospitalized." Ynetnews reports today that a state hospital issued a statement that the woman was admitted after being raped by five men. She has since undergone surgery and been released from the facility.

This attack is truly devastating, and, sadly, it's hardly far from the norm. A report by the UN finds that over 99 percent of Egyptian women have experienced some form of sexual harassment or assault in their life. According to Ahram Online, Operation Anti-Sexual Harassment (an Egyptian women's group) reported forty-six separate sexual assaults during this round of anti-Morsi protests in Tahrir Square. On Sunday night, grassroots anti-harassment groups urged women to stay away from the area altogether: "The area is not safe and we recommend leaving, if possible," tweeted Tahrir Bodyguard. Operation Anti-Sexual Harassment reports that men armed with sticks were standing by the entrance to the Tahrir metro station, attacking women.

Presidential spokesperson Ehab Fahmy held a press conference on Sunday in which he directly addressed the rampant sexual harassment and sexual violence that plague the protests. According to Daily News Egypt, Fahmy said that "any Egyptian condemns these shameful acts" and added that such vile behvaior was not characteristic of the Egyptian people.

He also stated that the presidency has taken action in order to bring the Dutch journalist's attackers to justice (although it is doubtful how effective these measures will be): "We informed the Ministry of the Interior to immediately take necessary measures and catch the assailants." According to the Huffington Post, Egypt's Prosecutor General Talaat Abdallah sent staff to the hospital to take the woman's testimony.


read: http://jezebel.com/female-foreign-journalist-gang-raped-in-horrific-tahrir-633730926


bigtree

(85,996 posts)
12. in my case
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 04:12 PM
Jul 2013

. . . as busy as I am, it took this chiding by the President to remind me of the prevalence of these assaults during their protests.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
9. There have been forty-six separate sexual assaults during this round of protests in Tahrir Square
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 03:23 PM
Jul 2013

According to the link you were provided above. Strawman my ass.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
8. Why are they still sending women journalists to Egypt?
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 03:21 PM
Jul 2013

Seems like there is a gang rape every time some protest occurs.

This is at least the third I've read about.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
19. Why do women still have babies when doing so can kill them?
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 05:52 PM
Jul 2013

Because we can. It isn't the women's faults, so why should they stop doing their jobs because the men can't control themselves?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
24. Egypt should be off-limits to women journalists?
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 07:07 PM
Jul 2013

If they start raping male journalists then maybe they shouldn't go over there either?

Pirate Smile

(27,617 posts)
26. Reports of this were all over the place on Twitter during the protests. A woman was hiding out in
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 07:51 PM
Jul 2013

the BBC's area. I kept seeing 35 reported and lots of the female reporters trying to get the hell out of there.

markpkessinger

(8,396 posts)
27. How does he know the perpetrators are not agents of the government . . .
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 08:36 PM
Jul 2013

. . . acting agents provocateurs?

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