Pope Francis is a misogyinst bigot

[MellowDem]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by In_The_Wind (a host of the General Discussion forum).

These are undisputed facts. He is the leader of an institution that actively works to take away the rights of many of our fellow DUers and does nothing to stand in the way of these actions, but instead supports these actions with his condemnation of others.

When posts are made on GD praising him, try to think how it comes across to those who the Pope condemns. The Pope being considered marginally better than the previous Pope by presenting himself more humbly doesn't make much of a difference to those who are condemned in the same ignorant manner as before. It's hard to consider someone humble who condemns others based on the supposed special knowledge they have of God, no matter their other beliefs or actions.

Try to remember this when praising what you see as a better Pope. You may want to qualify any compliments with the facts that the Pope supports and promotes misogyny and bigotry towards homosexuals as a matter of course, and that this support has had and continues to have very real world consequences in the lives of many DUers.

Also consider posting it in the Catholic group. Posting praise of the Pope in GD will lead to hurting a lot of DUers who have been and continue to be on the receiving end of Pope Francis' beliefs and cause a lot of strife. Understand that it will cause some venom towards the Pope, and understand that the source of this venom is completely justified. If you think such venom towards the Pope will hurt Catholic DUers and want to avoid this, again, I recommend posting it to the Catholic forum to avoid this.

Consider what other religious or political leaders with the same views of women and homosexuals would receive praise on DU. Try to understand that for much of DU, such leaders deserve nothing but criticism and contempt, no matter if they are liberal on every other issue. Many people have died and suffered under oppression and continue to do so because of the beliefs Pope Francis continues to espouse. Those beliefs cannot be ignored for many, but are a glaring character flaw of anyone who holds them not capable of redemption merely through beliefs in other issues. Please be sensitive to that when praising him on DU. If you at least acknowledge these very important and prescient issues when complimenting the Pope on some other point, it can go a long way.

[LittleBlue]

1. Aw geez, not this

We just went through this a few months ago when he was elected. Are we in for more religion wars in GD?

[quinnox]

2. speaking of posting in correct groups, this belongs in the religion forum

[elleng]

3. Yes. Thanks.

[GeorgeGist]

9. No!

Reading is fundamental.

[quinnox]

16. ok, either religion or meta

and unfortunately the Meta forum is no longer around. The OP lectures duers on what they should say and think and where to post regarding the Pope.

[Bluenorthwest]

20. There are daily 'I love the Pope' threads in GD. Daily.

GD is supposed to be free of religion. The Pope is anti gay and anti choice. Each morning those he attacks are greeted with 'WE love him' in GD, where it is ostensibly against the rules.
Do you complain about those threads? They are daily. 'Pope Ate Breakfast, I love this Pope'. They never post about the anti gay things he says, and when others do those who post 'we love him' never apologize nor even comment. They pretend he is not bigoted, so they can swoon in GD.
Even Jesus told his followers to keep religion private at home. GD and Jesus both have good rules in that regard.

[Whisp]

24. +++

[quinnox]

28. I haven't seen them, but yea, all threads talking about the Pope in gen. disc. should be locked

and told to repost in religion, in my opinion. I don't care what side they are on, pro or con.

[KittyWampus]

36. No, there really aren't daily "I love the Pope" threads in GD. You must be reading DU in an alternat

alternate reality. Which might explain a lot, actually.

[badtoworse]

4. You are being way too sensitive. If you find it that hurtful, you should probably post elsewhere.

Attitude toward homosexuality is not the only criterion by which to judge a religion.

[Bluenorthwest]

7. He's a bigot. DU states that posters are to support equality for LGBT people, Francis opposes

that equality and leads the largest anti gay group in the world. It is also the largest anti choice group and largest group opposed to birth control.
What's the difference between the Pope and Fred Phelps?
Nothing.

[FreeState]

10. +1

[DURHAM D]

15. Us gay folks are just "too sensitive"

for our own good.

[Comrade Grumpy]

21. That's just over the top stupid.

Get back to me when the pope shows up at funerals holding a sign saying "God hates fags."

I am not a Catholic and disagree with many of the Church's stances, but calling the Church "the largest anti gay groups in the world" is an odd and unhelpful way of characterizing it. You seem to have tunnel vision.

[NYC Liberal]

32. Nope, it's accurate.

He may not have the same personal hatred towards the people he discriminates against, but he is a bigot and a misigynist. If this pope were a politician and the church a political party, there would be no question here.

[DURHAM D]

8. DU... LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.

Really?

Who are you to claim ownership of DU?

[forestpath]

14. It should be enough for any non-bigot.

[HERVEPA]

31. Right. Maybe you can add the anti-condom stance to help promote AIDS,

the anti-birth-control on a too-crowded planet, the desire to control women's bodies, the disallowing of women to be priests, the pedophilia that was known about and basically ignored.

The poster should post right where (s)he posted. If it nothers you, maybe you should stay in the religion forum.

[cali]

5. I like and admire him.

and you misused the word prescient:

pre·scient
/ˈpreSH(ē ənt/
Adjective
Having or showing knowledge of events before they take place.
Synonyms
foreseeing - provident

[Bluenorthwest]

17. Do you like and admire him in spite of this atavistic bigotry or because of it? It is a fair

question. One his supporters should be asked constantly.

[cali]

33. you should know me well enough by now not to ask that.

[Bluenorthwest]

6. GD rules should be enforced as they would be toward 'I love Rick Warren' threads.

GD is supposed to be free of religious threads, but lately each and every day there are threads about how great Francis is. Every day. Never a word about his anti minority or anti choice screeds either, just lies about how wonderful the bigot is.

[HappyMe]

18. There are not threads "each and every day".

[Bluenorthwest]

23. Just about. Maybe they take Sundays off, it is a faith issue after all.

There is a stead stream of Pope news in GD where religious subjects are supposed to be against the rules. Daily enough to call it Daily. Even the Daily Show is just four days a week, have you written to Stewart to correct him?

[HappyMe]

25. There have only been an endless

stream of threads about the NSA in GD. Snowden too, if you consider him the pope. If you wish to consider the one thread this morning that is now on page 2 'daily' - then go ahead.

I alerted on this rant thread and the other P-word thread.

[Bluenorthwest]

27. GD SOP

General Discussion (Forum): About This Forum
Statement of Purpose

Discuss politics, issues, and current events. No posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports unless there is really big news. No conspiracy theories. No whining about DU.

The Pope threads should not be in GD.

[HappyMe]

30. Neither should threads ranting about the pope.

Did you do an SOP alert on the Pope thread when you saw it earlier?

[Bluenorthwest]

35. There are no threads ranting about the pope, they are critical of the POSTERS who place

divisive religious materials in GD when the SOP of GD says no religious threads. The threads are critical of the posters breaking the rules and flaunting bigotry in the faces of the victims of that bigotry.
Hard for you to understand, I'm sure.

[HappyMe]

38. The thread we are in is ranting about the Pope.

And as such, violates the no religion SOP of GD.

Criticizing people faith goes into Religion. Criticizing posters is Meta, and is also not GD SOP.

[HappyMe]

11. Post your rant in Religion.

[forestpath]

12. K&R

[Beacool]

13. I like this Pope.

If you don't like him, that's your right. Just don't open any thread on the Pope and you won't have to get upset about it.

[MineralMan]

19. He's the Pope. That's a job requirement.

Who could be surprised?

[Bluenorthwest]

26. That's not the point. This is the point:

General Discussion (Forum): About This Forum
Statement of Purpose

Discuss politics, issues, and current events. No posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports unless there is really big news. No conspiracy theories. No whining about DU.

And they post breathless Pope fan stories with great regularity and the GD hosts allow them to remain, although the rules say no posts about religion. The SOP is good and should be followed or Skinner should correct it to allow for religious threads.

[MineralMan]

29. Forum hosts decide SOP issues.

Admins can override.

The SOP, however, only applies to thread starting posts, not replies. If a thread is in a forum, I reply to it if I have something to say.

I am not a host of the GD Forum, so I have no say in the matter. So, I'm not sure why you're telling me about the SOP. It doesn't apply to my reply.

In any case, I'm no fan of Popes in general, nor of this Pope, in particular.

[Bluenorthwest]

34. The OP asks that GD not have religious posts, the OP does not affect surprise that the Pope

is a bigot. The SOP not being followed is the subject of this thread. Care to comment on the subject of the OP? Of course not.

[MineralMan]

37. I commented on the title of the OP, and am in agreement

with that title. The Pope is a misogynistic bigot. A homophobe, too.

I can comment on any part of an OP that I wish to comment on.

As for the subjects of GD threads, I am not a GD host, and I don't much care any longer what is posted in GD. The SOP is not followed in any rational way anyhow, but according to whim.

[Marrah_G]

22. Yes he is

However on some issues I think he is an improvement over past popes. The Catholic church has a long way to go to fix what is wrong with it.

[In_The_Wind]

39. Locking

Statement of Purpose

Discuss politics, issues, and current events. No posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports unless there is really big news. No conspiracy theories. No whining about DU.