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Keith Alexander "The intel community failed to connect the dots in 9/11. And much of what we've done since then were to give us the capabilities -- and this is the business record FISA, what's sometimes called Section 215 and the FAA 702 -- two capabilities that help us connect the dots." http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-transcript-nsa-director-gen-keith-alexander/story?id=19457454&singlePage=true#.UcgNnvk3t5F The intel community DID connect the dots prior to 911. Unsurprising given the massive amounts of intelligence there was in the months leading up to 911 that there was "an imminent major terrorist attack planned on US soil involving aircraft". There were at least 6 foreign intelligence and diplomatic specific warnings. There was a whole host of intel. The FBI even had a laptop from one of the plotters (which they refused to let the French see). George W Bush was fully briefed on this intelligence information on August 6th (and several other occasions) and did absolutely nothing. He didn't tighten airport security or increase the security of American airspace. The alphabet soup agencies were told to lay off the multiple threads of investigations that were currently in progress. The FBI were already tailing four of the hijackers. As reported in the NY Times, the CIA's counter terrorism unit were "apoplectic" that nothing was being done to stop the attack they knew was coming. They wanted transfers out of the unit so that they could not be blamed for the attack happening. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opinion/the-bush-white-house-was-deaf-to-9-11-warnings.html The intelligence community had already done far more "than join the dots". They knew lots about the attack that was coming. More details of the intelligence available before 911 is in the Appendix. Keith Alexander is also blatantly lying that sections of the Patriot Act are required to thwart terrorist plots. So far he has been able to cite ZERO examples of a terror plot that could not of been thwarted by obtaining a WARRANT after finding PROBABLE CAUSE. That INCLUDES BOSTON. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023068154 Keith Alexander is digging an ever deeper hole for himself with ever more lies. He should be fired immediately and at least charged with multiple counts of perjury for his multiple lies under oath before Congress. The 11 lies and 1 truth at the NSA hearing of June 18th http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023045242 Keith Alexander also lied under oath to Hank Johnson http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022998300 Appendix The evidence of an imminent terrorist attack on US soil involving aircraft before 911 Fernando Imposimato, the President of the Italian Supreme Court, has raised the call for a criminal investigation of 9/11, comparing the terror attacks to the declassified "false flag" incidents carried out by the CIA in Italy under Operation Gladio. "The 9/11 attacks were a global state terror operation permitted by the administration of the USA, which had foreknowledge of the operation yet remained intentionally unresponsive in order to make war against Afghanistan and Iraq," Imposimato declared in a letter published on Monday by the Journal of 9/11 Studies. As a former state prosecutor, Imposimato has extensive experience investigating high-profile crimes, including the kidnapping and assassination of Italian Prime Minster Aldo Moro and the attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II. He also worked on the Anti-Mafia commission as a Senator, giving him a wealth of knowledge on the inner workings of organized crime syndicates. Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/332580#ixzz26BssCgv3 They tried to warn us. Known Foreign Intelligence warnings in the months leading up to the attacks. http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/main/foreignwarnings.html How could anyone NOT step up airport security in the face of so many warnings and SO MUCH intel? This was why the CIA guys were apoplectic and wanted a transfer out of the Counter Terrorism branch as per the NYT. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opinion/the-bush-white-house-was-deaf-to-9-11-warnings.html And the C.I.A. repeated the warnings in the briefs that followed. Operatives connected to Bin Laden, one reported on June 29, expected the planned near-term attacks to have dramatic consequences, including major casualties. On July 1, the brief stated that the operation had been delayed, but will occur soon. Some of the briefs again reminded Mr. Bush that the attack timing was flexible, and that, despite any perceived delay, the planned assault was on track. Yet, the White House failed to take significant action. Officials at the Counterterrorism Center of the C.I.A. grew apoplectic. On July 9, at a meeting of the counterterrorism group, one official suggested that the staff put in for a transfer so that somebody else would be responsible when the attack took place, two people who were there told me in interviews. The suggestion was batted down, they said, because there would be no time to train anyone else. The complete timeline of the events leading up to 9/11 http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&startpos=600 Some of the influential US figures who have questioned the official account of 9/11. So why does Obama continue to cover it up? More Patriots Question 9/11 Here are 40 distinguished leaders and experts sounding-off in short quotes about their misgivings with the 9/11 commission and the questions that are still smoldering [NB: Dont miss the concluding quote]... Summarized from www.patriotsquestion911.com Senator Max Cleland - Former member of the 9/11 Commission, resigned in December 2003: "I, as a member of the [9/11] Commission, cannot look any American in the eye... It is a national scandal... this White House wants to cover [9/11] up." Senator Mark Dayton - Member, Senate Committee on Armed Services and Homeland Security: "[NORAD] lied to the American people, they lied to Congress and they lied to your 9/11 Commission...the most gross incompetence and dereliction of responsibility and negligence" Congressman Ron Paul - Vice Chairman of the Oversight and Investigations subcommittee: The [9/11] investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation" Congressman Curt Weldon: "[9/11 Commission] there's something very sinister going on here... something desperately wrong... This involved what is right now the covering up of information that led to the deaths of 3,000 people" Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney - Member of the House Armed Services Committee: The [9/11] Commission ran up against obstruction by the administration and non-cooperation from government agencies... the errors and omissions immediately jumped out at us" Director of the FBI, Louis Freeh: "[9/11 Commission findings] raise serious challenges to the commission's credibility and, if the facts prove out, might just render the commission historically insignificant itself" Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury, Paul Craig Roberts, PhD: "Distinguished national and international scientists and scholars present massive evidence that the 9/11 Commission Report is a hoax and that the 9/11 "terrorist attack" has been manipulated to serve a hegemonic agenda in the Middle East... We know that it is strictly impossible for any building, much less steel columned buildings, to "pancake" at free fall speed. Therefore, it is a non-controversial fact that the official explanation of the collapse of the WTC buildings is false" Assistant Secretary of Housing, Catherine Austin Fitts: "The official story could not possibly have happened... Its not possible. Its not operationally feasible... The Commission was a whitewash. " U.S. Army Intelligence officer, Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations, U.S. Department of Justice, John Loftus: "The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defence of incompetence" Foreign Service Officer, George Kenney: "I cannot believe, much as I might like to, the standard account of 9/11" Foreign Service Officer, J. Michael Springman: "Fifteen of the nineteen people who allegedly flew airplanes into buildings in the United States got their visas from the same CIA Consulate at Jeddah" Deputy Attorney General, State of Pennsylvania, Philip J. Berg, Esquire: "The official story of what actually took place on 0/11 is a lie. " Major General U.S. Army, Commanding General of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, Albert Stubblebine [his specialty analyzing satellite photos]: "I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, The plane does not fit in that hole. So what did hit the Pentagon? Col. Ronald D. Ray, U.S. Marine Corps, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, Deputy Director of Field Operations for the U.S. Marine Corps Historical Center: "I'm astounded that the conspiracy theory advanced by the administration could in fact be true and the evidence does not seem to suggest that's accurate." Col. Robert Bowman, U.S. Air Force, Director of Advanced Space Programs, PhD Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering: "The official 9/11 story is impossible .. There is a cover up... high levels of our government don't want us to know what happened... highly placed individuals in the administration...Dick Cheney...the very kindest thing we can say about George W Bush...is high treason and conspiracy to commit murder." Col. George Nelson, U.S. Air Force, aircraft accident investigator: "I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft -- and in most cases the precise cause of the accident... The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from view .. with all the evidence readilty available at the pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged .. the most heinous conspiracy in outr country's history." Major Douglas Rokke, PhD, U.S. Army: [Regarding the impact at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001] "When you look at the damage, it was obviously a missile." Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force, fighter pilot, commercial pilot flying 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777s. Had previously flown Flight 93, which impacted in Pennsylvania, and Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC: "The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S. plain and simple...[Regarding Flight 77]"The airplane could not have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into what they call a high speed stall. The airplane wonât go that fast if you start pulling those high G maneuvers at those bank angles... The vehicle that hit the Pentagon was not Flight 77" Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force, Office of the Secretary of Defense, staff of the Director of the National Security Agency: "It is as a scientist that I have the most trouble with the official government conspiracy theory, mainly because it does not satisfy the rules of probability or physics. The collapses of the World Trade Center buildings clearly violate the laws of probability and physics...There was a dearth of visible debris on the relatively unmarked Pentagon, where I stood only minutes after the impact. Beyond this strange absence of airliner debris, there was no sign of the kind of damage one would expect from the impact of a large airliner... this visible evidence or lack thereof may also have been apparent to the Sec of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who in an unfortunate slip of the tongue referred to the aircraft that slammed into the Pentagon as a ' missile ' ... I saw nothing of significance at the point of contact ~ no airplane metal or cargo debris was blowing on the lawn in front of the damaged building as smoke billowed from within the Pentagon .. all of us staring at the Pentagon that morning were indeed looking for such debris, but what we expected was not evident .. the same is true with regard to the damage we expected .. but I did not see this kind of damage. Rather, the facade had a rather small hole, no larger than 20 feet in diameter. Although this facade later collapsed, it remained standing for 30 0r 40 minutes, with the roof remaining relatively straight .. The scene, in short, was not what I would have expected from a strike by a large jetliner. It was, however, exactly what one would have expected if a missile had struck the Pentagon " Senior Military Affairs Journalist at the Naval Postgraduate School, Barbara Honegger, MS: "The US military, not al Qaeda, had the sustained access weeks before 9/11 to also plant controlled demolition charges throughout the superstructures of WTC 1 and WTC 2, and in WTC 7, which brought down all three buildings on 9/11...A US military plane, not one piloted by al Qaeda, performed the highly skilled, highâspeed 270âdegree dive towards the Pentagon that Air Traffic Controllers on 9/11 were sure was a military plane as they watched it on their screens. Only a military aircraft, not a civilian plane flown by al Qaeda, would have given off the "Friendly" signal needed to disable the Pentagonâs antiâaircraft missile batteries as it approached the building...Only the US military, not al Qaeda, had the ability to break all of its Standard Operating Procedures to paralyze its own emergency response system" Capt. Gregory M. Zeigler, PhD, U.S. Army, U.S. Army Intelligence Officer: "I knew from September 18, 2001, that the official story about 9/11 was false. ... [A]nomalies poured in rapidly: the hijackers' names appearing in none of the published flight passenger lists, BBC reports of stolen identities of the alleged hijackers or the alleged hijackers being found alive, the obvious demolitions of WTC 1 and 2...and WTC7...not hit by an airplane...the lack of identifiable Boeing 757 wreckage at the Pentagon" Capt. Eric H. May, U.S. Army, Intelligence officer: "I view the 911 event ...as a matter that implies either...A) passive participation by the Bush White House through a deliberate stand-down or B) active execution of a plot by rogue elements of government, starting with the White House itself, in creating a spectacle of destruction that would lead the United States into an invasion of the Middle East" Former Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates, CIA, responsible for preparing the Presidents Daily Brief, U.S. Army Intelligence Officer, Raymond L. McGovern: "I think at simplest terms, thereâs a cover-up. The 9/11 report is a joke...just as Hitler in 1933 cynically exploited the burning of the parliament building, the Reichstag, this is exactly what our President did in exploiting 9/11...making a war of aggression on a country that he knew had nothing to do with 9/11...thatâs certainly an impeachable offense...But compelling evidence for an even more disturbing conclusion: that the 9/11 attacks were themselves orchestrated by this administration precisely so they could be thus exploited." National Intelligence Officer and Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis, William Christison: "there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe. An airliner almost certainly did not hit The Pentagon. The North and South Towers of the World Trade Center almost certainly did not collapse and fall to earth because hijacked aircraft hit them...this all was totally an inside job. I have since decided that... at least some elements in this US government had contributed in some way or other to causing 9/11 to happen or at least allowing it to happen... The reason that the two towers in New York actually collapsed and fell all the way to the ground was controlled explosions rather than just being hit by two airplanes. All of the characteristics of these demolitions show that they almost had to have been controlled explosions... I think you almost have to look at the 9/11 Commission Report as a joke and not a serious piece of analysis at all... It's a monstrous crime." U.S. Marine Corps intelligence officer, case officer CIA. Robert David Steele: "I am forced to conclude that there is sufficient evidence to indict (not necessarily convict) Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and others...This is, without question, the most important modern reference on state-sponsored terrorism, and also the reference that most pointedly suggests that select rogue elements within the US Government, most likely led by Dick Cheney with the assistance of George Tenet, Buzzy Kronguard, and others close to the Wall Street gangs, are the most guilty of state-sponsored terrorism...I'm absolutely certain that WTC 7 was brought down by controlled demolition and that as far as I'm concerned means that this case has not been properly investigated. There's no way that building could have come down without controlled demolition." CIA Case Officer, Specialist in the Middle East, Directorate of Operations, Awarded Career Intelligence Medal, Robert Baer: [Regarding the opinion there was an aspect of 'inside job' to 9/11 within the U.S. Government], "There is that possibility, the evidence points at it." Counter-terrorism expert in the Security Division of the federal Aviation Administration. Team leader of the FAA's Red (Terrorism) Team in the Federal Air Marshall program, Coast Guard officer, Bogdan Dzakovic: "At worst, I think the 9/11 Commission Report is treasonous." Minister of Justice, West Germany, Horst Ehmke, PhD: "Terrorists could not have carried out such an operation with four hijacked planes without the support of a secret service." State Secretary, Federal Ministry of Defense, West Germany, Andreas von Buelow, PhD: "The official story is so inadequate and far-fetched that there must be another one...This is unthinkable, without years-long support from secret apparatuses of the state and industry." President of Italy, Francesco Cossiga: "[9/11] could not be accomplished without infiltrations in the radar and flight security personnel." General Leonid Ivashov, Chief of Staff, Russian armed forces, Ministry of Defense: "Only secret services and their current chiefs â or those retired but still having influence inside the state organizations â have the ability to plan, organize and conduct an operation [9/11] of such magnitude...Osama bin Laden and "Al Qaeda" cannot be the organizers nor the performers of the September 11 attacks. They do not have the necessary organization, resources or leaders." Foreign Minister of Egypt, Mohamed Hassanein Heikal: "Bin Laden does not have the capabilities for an operation [9/11] of this magnitude. When I hear Bush talking about al-Qaida as if it was Nazi Germany or the communist party of the Soviet Union, I laugh because I know what is there. Bin Laden has been under surveillance for years: every telephone call was monitored and al-Qaida has been penetrated by American intelligence, Pakistani intelligence, Saudi intelligence, Egyptian intelligence. They could not have kept secret an operation that required such a degree of organisation and sophistication." Chief of Staff, Pakistani Army, General Mirza Aslam Beg: "The information which is now coming up, goes to prove that involvement by the "rogue elements" of the U.S. military and intelligence organization is getting more obvious. Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda definitely do not have the knowhow and the capability to launch such operations involving such high precision coordination, based on information and expertise." European Parliament, Committee on Security and Defense, Giulietto Chiesa: "Billions of people were given only one explanation....which is entirely false....everyone who dares to question it is treated as if he was a fool." French Army Intelligence and artillery officer, Col. Pierre-Henri Bunel, Expert in the effects of artillery weapons and explosives: "Image of the impact on the Pentagon is very instructive as to the nature of the explosion. ... It corresponds to a detonation of an explosive with high energetic power. The explosion does not correspond to a deflagration of kerosene...suggests a single engine flying vehicle much smaller in size than an airliner...resembles the effects of anti-concrete hollow charges that I have been able to observe on a number of battlefields...lead me therefore to think that the detonation that struck the building was that of a high-powered hollow charge used to destroy hardened buildings and carried by an aerial vehicle, a missile." Safety Engineer and accident Analyst, National Safety Technology Authority, Finland, Heikki Kurttila, PhD: "Conclusion: The observed collapse time of WTC 7 was 6.5 seconds. That is only half a second longer than it would have taken for the top of the building to fall to the ground in a vacuum, and half a second shorter than the falling time of an apple when air resistance is taken into account. ... The great speed of the collapse and the low value of the resistance factor strongly suggest controlled demolition." Counter-Terrorism Officer, MI5 (Britain), David Shayler: "The available evidence indicates that people in key positions in the FBI, the State Department, the CIA and so on were not loyal to the Constitution; that they saw an opportunity in plans laid down by genuine Islamic terrorists to carry out an operation that would shock the world and would therefore justify U.S. adventurism in the middle East, particularly in Afghanistan and Iraq." Chairman, 9/11 Commission, Thomas H. Kean, Former Governor of New Jersey: "FAA and NORAD officials advanced an account of 9/11 that was untrue...We, to this day, don't know why NORAD told us what they told us...It was just so far from the truth." Vice Chairman, 9/11 Commission, Lee Hamilton, Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Homeland Security Advisory Council: "we got started late; we had a very short time frame...we did not have enough money...We had a lot of people strongly opposed to what we did. We had a lot of trouble getting access to documents and to people. ... So there were all kinds of reasons we thought we were set up to fail." 9/11 Commissioner, Timothy J. Roemer, PhD, Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence: "That panel members so distrusted testimony from Pentagon officials that they referred their concerns to the Pentagon's inspector general...We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting." Senior Counsel, 9/11 Commission, John J. Farmer, Jr., Former Attorney General, NJ, Former Commissioner of the State Commission of Investigations: [Some staff members and commissioners of the Sept. 11 panel concluded that the Pentagon's initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public] - "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described...The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years." The Attorney General (John Farmer) who drafted the 9/11 report for the 9/11 commission now says that the report is based on government lies and is almost entirely untrue. (CINCINNATI, Ohio) - In John Farmers book: The Ground Truth: The Story Behind Americas Defense on 9/11″, the author builds the inescapably convincing case that the official version... is almost entirely untrue... The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission. Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities' School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report. Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes. Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No. Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes. Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes. Farmer states...at some level of the government, at some point in timethere was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described . The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin. http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112009/911_truth_9-11-09.php 7 out of 10 9/11 commissioners have already publicly stated that they don't believe the official story. Why do you? #!

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Perhaps, but rest assured it was the least untruthful he could be n/t Fumesucker Jun 2013 #1

Thank you very much for doing this. Can I make what might be an odd request? sibelian Jun 2013 #2

Ok - it is bit of a strange request TakeALeftTurn Jun 2013 #3

I 2nd that request. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #5

TY TakeALeftTurn Jun 2013 #6

I know, it's just that the "aggregation service" guys like you provide is sibelian Jun 2013 #9

K&R Jeroen Jun 2013 #4

GREAT post!! K & R and bookmarking! Alexander is a lying tool. He sounded like Dick Cheney. chimpymustgo Jun 2013 #7

K&R newfie11 Jun 2013 #8

Our minds refuse to accept The Wizard Jun 2013 #10

Oh, I think we can "accept it"---but to a point. The point right before DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #19

9/11 was clearly LIHOP at minimum and more likely MIHOP NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #11

Coverups SamKnause Jun 2013 #12

Given the recent revelations about the NSA and global spying... KansDem Jun 2013 #13

Don't matter how much evidence you have. zeemike Jun 2013 #14

What do you expect? Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #15

Rec'd and bookmarked. n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #16

Thank You Takealeftturn. dotymed Jun 2013 #17

"No one could have anticipated...." "Mushroom cloud...." "Refused inspections....' "WMDs...." LIES. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #18

Thank you. I would like a compilation of people who became billionaires as a direct GoneFishin Jun 2013 #20

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1. Perhaps, but rest assured it was the least untruthful he could be n/t