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Hissyspit

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Sun Jun 23, 2013, 04:23 PM Jun 2013

Guardian: MI5 Feared GCHQ Went 'Too Far' Over Phone and Internet Monitoring

"Nothing new" here. Move along.

Saturday 22 June 2013 15.18 EDT

MI5 feared GCHQ went 'too far' over phone and internet monitoring

Amid leaks from NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, senior intelligence source reveals worries were voiced in 2008


Senior figures inside British intelligence have been alarmed by GCHQ's secret decision to tap into transatlantic cables in order to engage in the bulk interception of phone calls and internet traffic.

According to one source who has been directly involved in GCHQ operations, concerns were expressed when the project was being discussed internally in 2008: "We felt we were starting to overstep the mark with some of it. People from MI5 were complaining that they were going too far from a civil liberties perspective … We all had reservations about it, because we all thought: 'If this was used against us, we wouldn't stand a chance'."

The Guardian revealed on Friday that GCHQ has placed more than 200 probes on transatlantic cables and is processing 600m "telephone events" a day as well as up to 39m gigabytes of internet traffic. Using a programme codenamed Tempora, it can store and analyse voice recordings, the content of emails, entries on Facebook, the use of websites as well as the "metadata" which records who has contacted who. The programme is shared with GCHQ's American partner, the National Security Agency.

Interviews with the UK source and the NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden raise questions about whether the programme:

■ Exploits existing law which was passed by parliament without any anticipation that it would be used for this purpose.

■ For the first time allows GCHQ to process bulk internal UK traffic which is routed overseas via these cables.

■ Allows the NSA to engage in bulk intercepts of internal US traffic which would be forbidden in its own territory.

■ Functions with no effective oversight.

The key law is the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000, Ripa, which requires the home secretary or foreign secretary to sign warrants for the interception of the communications of defined targets. But the law also allows the foreign secretary to sign certificates that authorise GCHQ to trawl for broad categories of information on condition that one end of the communication is outside the UK.

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Guardian: MI5 Feared GCHQ Went 'Too Far' Over Phone and Internet Monitoring (Original Post) Hissyspit Jun 2013 OP
Interesting. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #1
Kick nt Hissyspit Jun 2013 #2

Benton D Struckcheon

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1. Interesting.
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 04:28 PM
Jun 2013

Get this thing wrestled to the ground from both sides of the Atlantic.
On a side note, a bit of trivia: the US dollar/British pound exchange rate is referred to by FX traders as "cable", because the first trans Atlantic cable was laid between NYC and London, and was heavily used for this trade.
It would be oddly historical or something if all this gets reined in on both sides at the same time.

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