The silver lining from all of these things (NSA and allegation os US hacking of China)

[JackN415]

The US now knows that the Chinese is determined to play the game and won't back down.

It's about time we know the true face of who we are dealing with. There should not be any illusion about the Chinese behaving according to the norm of international relation between civilized states, or acting responsibly befitting their status as the world 2nd economy. (They didn't, on the rare earth metal matter).

In China, foreigners know well the swelling nationalistic sentiment that the 21st century is the China Century and they would take revenge on the rest of the world for 2 centuries of humiliation.

Many young Chineses have no reservation waging a war to destroy Japan, and soon, when they become #1, would humiliate America, the West, and impose their imperial rule on everybody else just like old times (the Middle Kingdom, the center of the Earth).

Hacking the US is just a way to get even.

We the US should now start our defense, starting with our Manhattan's project, or our Sputnik-response on cyber security.

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No Tom-Clancy-worthy plot is suggested about that guy Snowden here, and why he escaped to HK. But he definitely provided the best fodder for the Chinese on this hot topic. If he truly stood for the principles, he should condemn China massive spying and censorship to support an authoritarian regime, China's rampant and blatant piracy of world intellectual properties, and of course, China's state-sponsored hacking.

What he did so far is like someone finding fault with Archangel Gabriel and ran to Lucifer, perhaps to say that Lucifer is not that bad.

[snagglepuss]

1. My opinion of Snowden will dramatically change if he doesn't hold China to the same standard

as the US.

[OKNancy]

2. yup.. and I bet he won't

It's just too suspicious. The part about the US doing it since 2009 is what really triggered me. ( When Obama came into office)
Like it wasn't done under Bush/Cheney.

As I said in another post, I never before slammed Snowden on a personal level, but now I think he is an attention seeking slimeball.

[JackN415]

3. +1 n/t

[JackN415]

4. I have worked in the defense industry before...

I have seen how desperate defense contractors were looking for people and in many cases, they just have to hire someone without properly vetting their background or psychological profile.

For someone who didn't have much a formal education like him, why was he hired? was he a computer tech wiz like Gates, Zuckerberg? I didn't read anywhere that says so.

[snagglepuss]

10. When they are paying HS dropouts 122,000, I find that hard to believe. Frankly

private companies are first and foremost concerned with fulfilling the contract, they don't give a damn about thorough security checks if that slows things up. Exposing this level of incomptence is reason enough to award Snowden a medal.

[JackN415]

12. Yout hit the nail on the head n/t

[pnwmom]

5. You mean, run to another country with evidence of Chinese hacking?

You really think he might do that?

[JackN415]

6. Is making allegation that the US has been hacking China network relevant to the cause of US

civil liberty?

Why bring this matter up now? unless he wants to appease China, or perhaps, he is the Chinese Manchurian guy.

[pnwmom]

8. No, it isn't relevant to that. It's probably just a good way to make some money. n/t

[snagglepuss]

11. At the moment this is coming from the Chinese media and they are mouthpieces of the govt.

I want to hear either Greenwald or Snowden confirm he did this.

[JackN415]

13. Yes. Let's wait and see

[KoKo]

7. We welcome the Chinese...and have for awhile. We sent our jobs to China...

they bought our Treasury Bonds, they shipped us cheap goods made by factory workers who were treated like something out of Charles Dickens writings and they are now Chinese Investors are buying up Wall Street and California Properties to rent back to US Citizens. Chinese Companies are re-building parts of a Subway Tunnel/Station in NYC and supplied Parts for Rebuilding the Golden Gate Bridge in California.

So...where is this "Cold War" type trashing of the Chinese when in fact we are very close and friendly with them. They are not stupid people. We helped educate their top Tech and Engineering Scientists here in the USA.

You think the Chinese don't know what we are doing and that they aren't doing it to us?

It's the way the world works in "Globilization" which has been promoted by the Neo-Libs for quite awhile now. To think that America is the only country who has computer experts capable of designing complicated systems to spy is really laughable. Think about India, Korea, Japan, Russia and so many more countries who have very smart people able to compete with what we do in high tech spying. They don't have the Miltiary Industrial Complex that we've worked to build in the past decades but they have brains to compete in technology to build systems.

This isn't the America it was after WWII and during the Cold War. This is a new world and we will have to learn how to deal with it. We can't bomb everyone and we can't invade everyone. We must compete and Free Traders are very comfortable with making sure that we don't burn bridges that we need to supply ourselves with goods and services and to buy our bonds, real estate and give our Agriculture good outlets for sales.

[JackN415]

9. naivete at its best.

If you truly want to know about China, being in America is not the best vantage point. Go to China neighbors with democracy like Japan, South Korea, Taiwan (yes, Taiwan is a de facto independent democracy), and other Southeast Asia countries. You will learn a lot more about Communist China from these countries vantage points.