DC Journo Overhears Intel Pros Talking About ‘Disappearing’ NSA Leaker, Glenn Greenwald

[johnfunk]

Oh my -- guess what Steve Clemons recorded?

Some in the intelligence community think they’re living in a banana republic. Too bad their blathering has been recorded by one of the most interesting journalists/news analysts in the Beltway. Sounds like it’s time for four intel “pros” to resign — before their careers are disappeared. (Hat tip: Digby)

You can see the tweet here.

[burnodo]

1. kick this

[pnwmom]

71. How did the tweeter know they were intelligence pros? n/t

[struggle4progress]

132. It was on Twitter! Don't you believe everything you read on Twitter? Get with the frickin program!

[Puzzledtraveller]

2. I was thinking about this yesterday, that he may be a marked man

[Laurian]

3. Whoa. This shit's getting scary. n/t

[socialist_n_TN]

4. Well, if true (and I personally think that it probably is true).......

it just solidifies my belief that the PTBs aren't even trying to PRETEND anymore.

[zeemike]

30. They don't need to preten any more.

No matter how obvious they are they know we won't do shit...more people are job scared and they know they could lose their income and be homeless on the street in a month or so.

That is the new slavery....and when the PTB speak you better shuffle your feet and say Yousa boss.

People will remain poor and in chains to the economic system as long as they have no land and dependent on a paycheck for their life

[Matariki]

5. He'd better move the the Ecuadorian Embassy

and fast.

[tblue]

93. It may get real crowded there before long.

Whistleblowers and journalists are enemies of the state, if they're really doing their job.

[villager]

6. Or before they're "promoted" to the "make it look like suicide" division?

[leveymg]

7. Clemons says he'll post it as soon as he's had a chance to run it through amplification software

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and cleaned up the audio and picture as much as possible.

I think this was just a bad joke by the officers, but hey, this is a Total Surveillance State! Live by the bug, die by the bug, guys.

[KoKo]

12. Wonder if someone hijacked Steve's Twitter. It was done to some during Boston Bombings

on Twitter feeds.

Clemons is with CAP...wonder why he'd be reporting something like this on Twitter?

Seems like bizarre.

[elleng]

49. Was on his FB earlier, briefly, and not fully discussed.

[annabanana]

8. should be interesting. . .n/t

power breeds stupidity

If you never face consequences you get dumb...

[cherokeeprogressive]

9. Mr. Greenwald should avoid small aircraft methinks. n/t

[burnodo]

15. and Liz Warren

she's got to stay safe

[Cali_Democrat]

20. ^^^DU has jumped the shark^^^

Now apparently Elizabeth Warren and Greenwald are targets for assassination.

[dkf]

23. Or Bradley Manning treatment.

[Cali_Democrat]

24. The above posts clearly imply assassination. n/t

[dkf]

26. Well that is what "disappeared" alludes to.

Once you believe your government is out of control, where does it end?

[Cali_Democrat]

31. You think greenwald and/or warren could be killed by the government?

[villager]

34. Because surely, no one in our government has ever killed anyone who stood in the way of power

n/t

[Cali_Democrat]

35. Well maybe Obama can step in and stop the assassination of Elizabeth Warren

Here's to hoping he does!

[villager]

42. He might warn her away from parade routes, motel balconies, and kitchen pantries!

[Cali_Democrat]

43. ...and grassy knolls. n/t

[villager]

48. Well it tends to be intelligence community types with a "job to do," who congregate on grassy knolls

n/t

[dkf]

37. Well that Elizabeth Warren thing is a bit much.

As for Greenwald, he is too high profile now. Like CP says, I might avoid small planes if I were Greenwald though.

[Cali_Democrat]

38. LOL

So lame.

[cherokeeprogressive]

39. Senator Warren? Of course not.

A nasty reporter residing in another part of the world? Even money.

[Demeter]

103. 4 Americans already officially assassinated without due process, and you have to ask?

What would it take to convince you?

[sabrina 1]

53. Greenwald's name has surfaced before as a possible target for a total 'smear campaign' when

Anonymous hacked into HB Gary's emails. And we've seen some of the results of those plans against Greenwald, to attempt to smear him. They haven't worked, his audience has only grown, no doubt making him even more of a 'threat' as was the case with HB Gary, than he was before.

The chilling discovery that a blogger should be targeted by a contractor for a 'smear campaign' for expressing his opinions on his blog, should have alerted every thinking person in this country to the danger of allowing any government to operate in total secrecy. We know what HB Gary had to say about Greenwald, but what do you NOT know?

He definitely does need to watch his back. This is the second time he has been mentioned as an enemy, of whom exactly?

[dlwickham]

72. why even bother trying to reason with these people

you're only going to set yourself crazy

[rhett o rick]

139. There was no attempt to reason. Only ridicule. nm

[Cali_Democrat]

143. Statements like that deserve nothing but ridicule. n/t

[rhett o rick]

146. Of course, when you have nothing left, ridicule and justify it by saying they deserve it. nm

[Cali_Democrat]

147. Nothing left? Oh I got a lot

Trust me

If you don't think so, you don't know me very well.

But I'm not going to waste my brain cells on statements that imply the Obama Administration will assassinate Elizabeth Warren.

Nope. When I see statements like that, I will ridicule.

Relentlessly.

[AnalystInParadise]

119. Manning deserves what he is getting, he is a traitor

to his brothers and sisters in the MI Corps (to include me) and the American people. However, this NSA thing is out of control, terrifying and unbelieveable for this former MI guy.

[dkf]

120. Some would also call this NSA leaker a traitor.

I don't know enough about Manning to comment, but I am more sympathetic than previously now that I see the oversight that is missing.

Apparently we need more whistleblowers, not less.

[AnalystInParadise]

124. I don't want to get off topic

but the difference is that whoever this brave person is, they whistle blew on something that is terribly and terrifying. Bradley Manning did not whistle blow, he released a ton of shit to Wikileaks that he never verified. For all Manning knew he might have released the Colonels original chicken recipe and all 23 flavors in Dr. Pepper. Manning is a traitor, this NSA employee deserves protection

[99th_Monkey]

59. It certainly wouldn't be the firs time

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Just ask the relatives of US Senator Paul Wellstone or Col Ted Westhousing.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/36661/general-petraeuss-link-troubling-suicide-iraq-ted-westhusing-story
http://www.alternet.org/story/14399/was_paul_wellstone_murdered

Surely you are not naive about such goings on.

[SidDithers]

91. Veterans Today is an anti-Semitic hate site, run by holocaust-denier Gordon Duff...

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/06/buyer-beware-veterans-today-and-its-anti-israel-agenda/

With rense, you get AIDS-denial to go with the holocaust-denial, plus a whole bunch of other insanity. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jeff_Rense

Your sources are shit.

Sid

[99th_Monkey]

117. You can't hide behind "your sources are shit"

unless The Nation
http://www.thenation.com/blog/36661/general-petraeuss-link-troubling-suicide-iraq-ted-westhusing-story

and Alternet
http://www.alternet.org/story/14399/was_paul_wellstone_murdered

Are both also on your "shit list".

I notice you still haven't addressed the substance of the my question, so I hope you
will consider doing so, now that my new sources are not ones you can dismiss with
a ridiculing finger.

[SidDithers]

118. So use The Nation and alternet...

don't send traffic Gordon Duff and Jeff Rense.

Or do, if you agree with the rest of shit on their site.

Edit: I've got no comment on your post, other than your sources, but please delete the links to the holocaust-deniers.

Sid

[99th_Monkey]

137. happily. :-) n/t

[Hissyspit]

68. People have always made these comments since I've been on DU

Of course you go in the other direction, dismissing stuff that has been established. With obnoxious graphics.

[Cali_Democrat]

76. Obnoxious graphics?

That one pic on my Greenwald post? I apologize if it offended you.

[burnodo]

138. does this mean you're leaving?

please don't let your super-sized ego hit you in the ass on your way out

[Cali_Democrat]

142. Na....I think I'll stay and continue to make people like yourself look foolish

It's fun.

Elizabeth Warren to be assassinated by the Obama Administration?

[DJ13]

81. Why should Greenwald avoid Liz Warren?

[Recursion]

145. Bwah

You just redeemed this threat

[dkf]

10. This is who we are trusting with every piece of data on our lives.

So many WTH moments nowadays. I'm going to have to move up to WTF soon.

[KoKo]

11. Clemons supposedly has "murky pics" of them in his Twitter Feed...

I didn't go there...but did anyone else?

[MNBrewer]

13. A Barack Obama Group wet dream!

[woo me with science]

14. Greenwald was wise to go overseas.

Let's hope he is taking strong precautions.

This is the government we are dealing with now. This is the government we are being lectured to "trust."

[dkf]

16. Oy...Sirota turned these guys into "Obama officials". Not sure we know that yet.

@davidsirota: According to @TheAtlantic's @SCClemons, Obama officials caught on tape calling for @GGreenwald to be "disappeared": https://t.co/0Xqj3j0nI9

[KoKo]

18. Don't see the Sirota Tweet at your link...do you have a better link?

[dkf]

21. Here is his twitter feed.

https://mobile.twitter.com/davidsirota

I think he jumped the gun though.

[Raine1967]

40. I do as well.

Steve Clemons is trying to confirm who they were. he says they could be FORMER intel.

@SCClemons 4h
@OWLUSA @TheFedUp99 conversation btwn them but posbl they are 'formers'. Not sure yet. Will post pics and what I heard and recorded in bit

and this:

@SCClemons 4h
@OWLUSA @TheFedUp99 conversation btwn them but posbl they are 'formers'. Not sure yet. Will post pics and what I heard and recorded in bit

Sirota jumped the gun on this. He is making assumptions before the person who broke the story is able to confirm who said this.

[Raine1967]

28. That is a Sirota tweet.

here: https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/343520858398154752

It went from intel officials to Obama officials.

I want to see more proof, personally. Anyone can be an intel official in this area.

[KoKo]

46. THANKS.

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. Here is clemens's feed

https://mobile.twitter.com/SCClemons/tweets

[Raine1967]

57. I've read Clemen's feed.

and unless something changed in the past 15 minutes, he hasn't said Obama officials...

He has actually said it could be former or incumbent. Sirota made the leap to say 'Obama officia'l. That is sloppy -- he should wait for Clemens to finish his reporting. Clemens' being cautious about this, as he should.

[nadinbrzezinski]

64. If true, Clemens better take a look at

Central America, we trained battalion 100, disappearing journos was trademark. Chickens and roosts come to mind.

[dkf]

122. Where is Greenwald?

[nadinbrzezinski]

141. He is based out of London

But spends a lot of time in Brazil with his life partner...so shall we say disappearing him is not that hard...assuming this is real and they are actually thinking of it. The problem they got is if something happens to Greenwald, let's say a nasty car accident (a favorite) if nothing was planned people will ask questions.

[Luminous Animal]

47. Sirota and I are often on the same side but he is too damn sloppy.

I still read him now and again but I check his facts or I give up because there is simply too much speculation.

[geek tragedy]

121. Sirota's candidate in 2012 was Ron Paul, so that figures. nt

[grasswire]

17. does he identify the guys later? nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. No way to confirm but

Chickens seem to be finding a new roost.

Hey...this is the shit we trained death squads to do...

Will take with grain of salt, but given our imperial history abroad not ready to discount it.

[quinnox]

22. meh, I doubt this is the first time Greenwald has been the target of threats, and

I highly doubt this kind of stuff would scare him anyway. He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would back down due to stuff like this. I doubt any journalist worth their salt would. Hell, it probably would encourage them instead.

Plus, this seems like a very random report from some tweeter, it could be a hoax for all we know.

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. The random twitterer

Is the Editor at Large for The Atlantic...he's working on article now.

[quinnox]

32. huh, well, I'm just going to take this with a grain of salt for now

If it is a legit story, then it will be huge. I will wait and see for future developments.

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. Here is the twitter feed

https://mobile.twitter.com/SCClemons/tweets

It looks legit.

And if true...chickens and roosts comes to mind.

[KoKo]

33. Clemons isn't just an ordinary Tweeter...

He's with New America Foundation and has written the "Washington Note Blog" for years. He conducts many of their Think Tank Seminars and is often seen on C-Span doing it.

Also Jeff Jarvis is on his Twitter. This seems to be serious what Clemons is posting. I was skeptical at first..but those replying to Clemons are legit.

On Edit: I had him with CAP...my mistake he's been with "New America Foundation" for years and he does have some light affiliation with CAP. Sorry about that.

[quinnox]

36. ok, not dismissing it, but on the fence for now until I see

what happens with this story. I'm interested, but not convinced yet.

[Hissyspit]

50. He says he has audio and a pic

But also says neither are of good quality.

[KoKo]

52. Says he's going to try to "amp them up" but is also questioning the legal issues

of putting them out there. Seems like he might get some help with that from reading the Tweets response.

[dkf]

62. He is getting grief on that one...lol.

Well it was in a public place in which I've been told there is no expectation of privacy.

[sabrina 1]

60. It is not the first time, he was a target of HB Gary for a 'smear campaign' when anonymous hacked

into their emails. There was supposed to be a Congressional investigation in that whole mess since it appears the FBI was somehow involved which is against the law apparently. Greenwald was shocked at the time to learn that a blogger could be considered such a threat to the Government.

[WillyT]

25. K & R !!!

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Here, whole tweet feed

https://mobile.twitter.com/SCClemons/tweets

Just editor at large of The Atlantic.

[elleng]

58. 'Sorry, that page is not supported on mobile at this time.'

[Bolo Boffin]

41. I want to know how he knows they are US intel if he's asking for help identifying them

But should it prove to be true, firing's too good for them. That is WAY over the line.

[Babel_17]

45. Steve Clemons

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Clemons

Steven Craig Clemons (born 1962) is an American journalist and blogger. He is the publisher of the political blog, The Washington Note, and a former staff member of Senator Jeff Bingaman. Clemons is also Director of the American Strategy Program at the New America Foundation where he previously served as Executive Vice President, and the former director of the Japan Policy Research Institute. The New America Foundation has been described as radical centrist in orientation, and Clemons characterizes himself as a "progressive realist".

He was appointed as Washington editor-a-large of The Atlantic and editor-in-chief of AtlanticLIVE, the magazine's live events series, in June 2011.

[KoKo]

61. Good...thanks for giving his full info.

Didn't realize he was now DC editor-at-large for the Atlantic. I used to read him on "Washington Note Blog" of his for years during Bush II. But, not so much the past couple of years.

I mistakenly said he was Fellow at "Center for American Progress" up above in post...and it was the "New America Foundation" he's been with for years. I corrected it. DUH...I knew it was NAF...but tired brain...put him with CAP.

[DeSwiss]

54. If these ''intelligence'' workers are from the facade government, he has a chance to escape.

- If its the other government (the one that has the real power), I'd be looking for a rabbit hole.....

[center]

[/center]

They keep trying to tell us. It sounds so absurd, no one wants to even consider it. And if you repeat it, you're just another crazy CT. That's the beauty of it. It's a self-correcting system of oversight integrity which relies principally upon its victims to protect its existence through their own ignorance and incredulity. And through the constant use of ridicule against those able to see things more objectively and realistically, they maintain a consistent hard outer shell made of incredulous, unknowing people. Because it is understood in our society that being accused of being stupid is the one thing an truly ignorant person hates to be accused of the most.

[center]

[/center]

[KoKo]

69. YIKES...that's quite a scary presentation. Hopefully it was just couple of

Loud Mouth "formers" (former Govt. Ops, maybe) as he said in his Tweet...and not "Current" OPS. That they were loud, might just mean they were bloviators carrying on after a couple of drinks ....but, I think that there are enough concerns about Greenwald's report that there would be "folks in power" who'd want to get him. There's certainly a posse of them here on DU who would like to see him go down which is disturbing enough in itself on a supposedly Democratic Web Site.

[DeSwiss]

99. That was my assessment as well.

- Although there's never been a time quite like this, so who knows? They could be the real deal just as easily. We're all heading toward the crescendo. If you're Awake, you can feel it.

[elleng]

55. On his FB:

10 hours ago on Twitter: In Dulles UAL lounge listening to 4 US intel officials saying loudly leaker & reporter on #NSA stuff should be disappeared recorded a bit

4 mins ago via Twitter: Part 1: for folks following my post today, want to set expectations. Writing my recollection of #NSA related convo on leaker & Greenwald

3 mins ago via Twitter: Part 2: Discussed w/Editors that I should make good faith effort to i.d. those I heard and offer them response. Will take time

[Raine1967]

66. Sounds like he is trying to get this right and as accurate as possible.

I appreciate this a lot.

I'm willing to sit and wait for the story. I'd rather have it sourced and done right than thrown out into publication without investigation.

[elleng]

70. Yes, he definitely is.

See my following post, confirming his efforts.

[BenzoDia]

56. Some of you have seen too many movies.

[Hissyspit]

63. Because?

[nadinbrzezinski]

65. Really? We broke a local story from overhearing a conversation

And pulling that strand

[JimDandy]

112. Who is we? Were you with Clemons at the airport? n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

113. Local paper

Recently in fact.

It's local fire board, but we heard something and asked questions.

You'd expect intel types to be more careful, but expectations and reality are not always a perfect match.

This example...will get a second recorder to carry in my bag while leaving my first on vest. Or just have the discipline to carry.

[JimDandy]

114. OK. Your wording was confusing me. n/t

[7wo7rees]

135. You were on Steve's twitter feed.

https://twitter.com/SCClemons

[nadinbrzezinski]

140. Yes, sent him a link to Central American mess

And persecution of the press

[elleng]

67. More, current, from S Clemons, on FB:

Part 2: Discussed w/Editors that I should make good faith effort to i.d. those I heard and offer them response. Will take time

Part 1: for folks following my post today, want to set expectations. Writing my recollection of #NSA related convo on leaker & Greenwald

Part 3: Another person heard the convo and emailed me with same interpretation and concern about their convo and background

Part 4: Statement about 'disappearing' the journalist and leaker if he/she could be identified was offered as bravado, as disturbing joke

part 5: at least that was my view of it. More later. this will take a bit more time and wanted to let people know.

-------------------

SC, @ 9:53 p.m.: Crowdsourcing to DC Intel types: Anyone know intel conference in last day or 2 featuring John Negroponte other than CFR event? email me

[Raine1967]

73. +1

This is why I am willing to wait, Thanks elleng.

I'm never willing to thing the worst or the best when it comes to stories that break of this nature.

[KoKo]

75. Good that he takes his time on this to get it all legally squared away.

He could have been "set up" also. He's a very familiar face around DC and this was in Dulles Airport. Even I would know Steve by sight and I was just a reader of Washington Note and watched him many times on C-Span with New America Foundation Seminars where he was a Moderator. He's very recognizable and also can sometimes over-react.

Anyway...it's fascinating stuff for a Saturday night, to read.

[okaawhatever]

77. Okay, so now he says it was offered as "bravado, a disturbing joke" and that he doesn't kmow who it

was. Well, too late, damage done.

[elleng]

80. He posted/tweeted:

Part 3: Another person heard the convo and emailed me with same interpretation and concern about their convo and background

Part 4: Statement about 'disappearing' the journalist and leaker if he/she could be identified was offered as bravado, as disturbing joke

part 5: at least that was my view of it. More later. this will take a bit more time and wanted to let people know.

[dkf]

84. He thinks he recognizes one of them...

@SCClemons: @ryangrim conversation and one wore a white knit national counterterrorism center shirt

@SCClemons: @ryangrim Also think i recognize one. just can't place him but convo was all intel and they were attending some form of annual intel conf

This made me LOL: @SKovalan: @SCClemons @ryangrim Kinda ironic that you secretly taped them...

[dkf]

78. Wow now this is totally cool way to get info!

I guess this is how he knows they were intel officials?

[okaawhatever]

74. He announces it and then talks to his editor? His editor says he needs to make some attempt to i.d.

them? He doesn't know who the guys are exactly? I also want the entire context of the conversation. If they pull some crap where they just release certain words i'll be pissed. They could have been joking. They probably were joking. Intelligence guys know better than to say something like that seriously. Especially talking loudly, as the author mentioned. It doesn't matter what the truth is, because the damage has been done.

[elleng]

79. He tweeted and posted @ FB:

Part 2: Discussed w/Editors that I should make good faith effort to i.d. those I heard and offer them response. Will take time

Part 1: for folks following my post today, want to set expectations. Writing my recollection of #NSA related convo on leaker & Greenwald

Part 3: Another person heard the convo and emailed me with same interpretation and concern about their convo and background

Part 4: Statement about 'disappearing' the journalist and leaker if he/she could be identified was offered as bravado, as disturbing joke

part 5: at least that was my view of it. More later. this will take a bit more time and wanted to let people know.

-------------------

SC, @ 9:53 p.m.: Crowdsourcing to DC Intel types: Anyone know intel conference in last day or 2 featuring John Negroponte other than CFR event? email me

[Raine1967]

83. Are you following the *discussions*?

Interesting stuff.

That tweet about Negrponte was interesting.

What we are seeing here is actual journalistic investigation, twitter style. Fascinating.
Especially stuff like this:

@tmwinsett 1h
@SCClemons Devils advocate question: Wondering why you are 100% sure they are intel officers?

Steve Clemons ?@SCClemons 33m
@tmwinsett not 100% sure -- mostly sure. identity question is important though.

[elleng]

86. Yes indeed.

Fastinating. ANd as to Negroponte, he posted: 'Crowdsourcing to DC Intel types: Anyone know intel conference in last day or 2 featuring John Negroponte other than CFR event? email me.'

[Raine1967]

92. Guess I should Email him this:

Via google, 2 days ago:

http://www.cfr.org/cybersecurity/defending-open-global-secure-resilient-internet/p30836

ETA: I tweeted this to him.

[elleng]

95. Yes. He may be aware of it,

but wouldn't hurt.

[KoKo]

85. well...that's something interesting...

Negroponte? (I think Steve said he recognized one of them)...was it Negroponte.

This stuff is reading like spy novel.

[elleng]

87. No, it wasn't Negroponte, whom he surely knows. He posted:

'Crowdsourcing to DC Intel types: Anyone know intel conference in last day or 2 featuring John Negroponte other than CFR event? email me.'

another FB post 8 minutes ago: anyone w/background on an intel/terrorism confab -- not CFR meeting -- in last couple of days plz email at [email protected]

[truebluegreen]

82. Your concern is noted. nt

[Jackpine Radical]

116. Intel types know better than to joke about this stuff.

But--conventions, alcohol, dissolving of inhibitory controls--who knows?

[MrModerate]

88. I see a lot of talk, but I can't find a link to any audio . . .

Or pictures, which 'Clemons' said he had.

Until I see or hear more, I think I'll untwist my knickers.

[dkf]

105. He's not releasing any of that til he cleans it up.

Sounds like he may be bringing it to the Atlantic.

[MrModerate]

136. Maybe it's just me being cynical, but I smell a rat. n/t

[allinthegame]

89. read Clemmons tweets

he's walking it back....sad that posters are so willing to go to the dark side even without proof

[Raine1967]

94. I don't think he is walking anything back; I think he's researching and people

are believing what they want.

HE said early on he wasn't sure if it was former or incumbent intel.

[elleng]

98. Right, Raine;

not walking anything back, researching, looking for info by 'crowdsourcing' etc.

[nadinbrzezinski]

100. Yup

He is doing what at times I do on my own. In fact, I should be doing that right now, cell towers and siting rights. (Dry)

If true, this is a sub rosa war with journalists gone hot. Oh and it will not end well for one of the two sides.

[Raine1967]

101. I'm actually enjoying watching journalism at work -- this is for me --

a side story. What he heard is important, no question about it.

I hope he gets to the bottom of all of this. it is disturbing, no question. To see a reporter using twitter to openly investigate is amazing -- especially after this past week.

Personally, I hope he figures out exactly who these people were who said this -- and gets a chance to ask them exactly what they said and WHY they did. it will be interesting.

lord knows I have heard some strange conversations at airports. This however was at Dulles -- Not Albany International...

[elleng]

104. Right, NOT Albany!!!

[Raine1967]

106. ...

(says the woman who now lives 10 minutes from National Airport -- I wake up to the jets firing up almost every morning!)

[elleng]

107. Yea, but atmosphere at Dulles rather different from National, eh?

(Been a few years since I've been to Dulles.)

[ThoughtCriminal]

90. Anybody else find it unrealistic

to think that Intel "Pros" talk about hit jobs over unsecured channels? Outside of badly scripted movies?

[Hissyspit]

102. Not if they were just joking around or talking trash.

See post #67.

"Part 3: Another person heard the convo and emailed me with same interpretation and concern about their convo and background"

[AnalystInParadise]

125. Not in the least

20 years as an Analyst, the HUMINT side of the house has far less discretion than the ordinary person would believe. I can totally believe this story given the shit I have seen in the community over 20 years.

[struggle4progress]

134. What? You want more info than a tweet about what someone overheard in a Dulles Airport lounge?

They couldn't tweet it if it's not true, you know!

[dkf]

96. Headline should have read "DC Journo secretly tapes intel agents discussing "disappearing" leaker"

Hahaha.

[silvershadow]

97. kick

[Autumn]

110. Hey welcome to DU

I tried floating on a cloud, it just didn't work.

[hrmjustin]

111. Good bye my friend!

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[cheapdate]

109. Jesus H. Christ!

This is World Net Daily type crap.

"Former US Army General says Obama planning to declare martial law"

Glenn Greenwald is not going to be assassinated by the government, although he may well be arrested and charged with violating the law by receiving classified information.

Maybe what he did was good and noble, maybe not, but it's awfully hard to imagine that he did it without knowing full well the legal implications of his actions.

[dkf]

123. He is a journalist. There aren't supposed to be consequences.

[cheapdate]

126. I'm certainly not a media law expert

but I don't think that's entirely true. Journalists enjoy some deference by tradition and by right of the First Amendment, but they're not exempt from the law. The First Amendment doesn't give the press the right to violate the law in pursuit of a story.

[dkf]

127. Pentagon papers?

[OilemFirchen]

129. Nope.

The NYT was enjoined. Ellsberg was indicted.

And...

Times v. United States is generally considered a victory for an extensive reading of the First Amendment, but as the Supreme Court ruled on whether the government had made a successful case for prior restraint, its decision did not void the Espionage Act or give the press unlimited freedom to publish classified documents. Ellsberg and Russo were not acquitted of violating the Espionage Act; they were freed due to a mistrial from irregularities in the government's case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers#Legal_case

[dkf]

130. Ugh irregularities...seems ominous.

[cheapdate]

133. In the Pentagon Papers, the court didn't rule on the question

of whether the newspapers’ receipt of the classified document was in itself unlawful, nor did they establish that a newspaper or a journalist couldn't be prosecuted for publishing classified information. The court denied the government's request for an injunction to prevent the NYT from publishing the papers. Several of the justices wrote in separate dicta (legal terminology, a dictum is a statement of opinion or belief considered authoritative though not binding) that they DID believe that the newspapers could be prosecuted.

The case reaffirmed that in order to justify restricting First Amendment rights, the government has a high burden to demonstrate that publishing of classified information will result in harm to national security.

The present question may be considered differently as it relates to ongoing activities while the Pentagon Papers related to past activities.

[kenny blankenship]

115. Some...think they’re living in a banana republic.

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Others are busy planting bananas everywhere.

Maybe they're just a little ahead of the curve? And they put themselves in a position to help their banana dreams come true.

[OilemFirchen]

128. Absolutely amazing

An otherwise fairly well-respected journo takes to social media to rumor-monger about what he may have heard by a group of men who may be gummint intel, then, via the same public platform beseeches others for a bit of background. And posters above are charmed by "journalism in action"?

This piggybacks well with the WaPo egged-face revelation. The most significant scandal of the millennium is the abject, utter, disgusting failure of the press to perform their task professionally, the total disregard for (or ignorance of) the basic tenets of journalism, and the escalation of punk opinionators with no working knowledge of anything whatsoever to the ranks of "journalist".

Per this embarrassing display of rank sophistry, Mr. Clemons should have his fucking fedora stuffed down this throat, even if he's accidentally correct.

BTW, my money's on drunk mattress salesmen clumsily trying to flirt.

[randome]

144. Wow.

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[Octafish]

131. They make people disappear.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6089862

[Octafish]

148. Kick for timeliness...

...and a heads-up: Some people are willing to entertain thoughts of murder.