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RandySF

(61,467 posts)
Mon May 27, 2013, 06:24 PM May 2013

Ted Cruz backers say he's 'natural born'

It seems like an obscure court case from a dusty old law book, but if Canadian-born Texas Sen. Ted Cruz decides to run for president, you're likely to hear a lot about United States vs. Wong Kim Ark.

In the 1898 case, the Supreme Court voted 6-2 to repudiate the exclusive language of the infamous Dred Scott case and create an expansive definition of the Constitution's "natural-born citizen" clause.

That's important because the Constitution requires that the president be a natural-born citizen - and Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta, in 1970.

Cruz, who is being urged to run for president in 2016 by some conservative activists, argues that he is a natural-born citizen because his mother was an American citizen. His father, now a naturalized American, was born in Cuba.





http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Ted-Cruz-backers-say-he-s-natural-born-4550395.php#ixzz2UXCSc07T

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Ted Cruz backers say he's 'natural born' (Original Post) RandySF May 2013 OP
Yet these same people think Obama is a Kenyan national. LonePirate May 2013 #1
My first thought too treestar May 2013 #44
Yep. But Cruz has the right skin color so of course he's a natural born American! BlueCaliDem May 2013 #53
The fact remains that Cruz was 'born' in CANADA :) Tx4obama May 2013 #2
Show us the birth certificate, Ted. arcane1 May 2013 #3
Don't you mean, "Show us the birf cerfiticat!" TheDebbieDee May 2013 #13
it has to be the "wet Ink" one sad-cafe May 2013 #26
BIRF CERTIFICAT WHERE TED WHERE Arkana May 2013 #58
I'm already making my birther protest signs. NCLefty May 2013 #4
It'll take more than that Cirque du So-What May 2013 #5
Make sure that sign has misspelled words too. SummerSnow May 2013 #59
Where is Orly Taitz when you need her? TexasTowelie May 2013 #6
He's a natural born loony tune Bluzmann57 May 2013 #7
I was born in a foreign country to an American citizen mother after 1960: I am "natural born" alcibiades_mystery May 2013 #8
He and you both maybe American citizens born abroad, but you are NOT natural-born. TheDebbieDee May 2013 #14
False alcibiades_mystery May 2013 #22
You are wrong. former9thward May 2013 #23
It's just rich because the idiot birthers insisted that being born in Kenya to a US citizen... arcane1 May 2013 #15
Prove that you were born, please. IdaBriggs May 2013 #38
lol treestar May 2013 #49
You aren't running for President. It's absurd to say someone born on foreign soil is a "natural-born WinkyDink May 2013 #45
You're wrong alcibiades_mystery May 2013 #56
he is right, unfortunately arely staircase May 2013 #9
I was born of two Americans in Indonesia... cascadiance May 2013 #19
you can be my daughter's running mate arely staircase May 2013 #21
I still don't get why anybody cares. Let them run this asshole. He's going to LOSE BIG! kysrsoze May 2013 #52
he won't make it through the primary arely staircase May 2013 #63
Well, his mother is a citizen. RedCappedBandit May 2013 #10
Where's his mother's birth certificate?..... The long form IggleDoer May 2013 #16
Bigger question... Javaman May 2013 #62
Sure it wasn't c-section? Downwinder May 2013 #11
Another MacDuff? nt msanthrope May 2013 #28
It is going to be interesting to see the reaction of the right. hrmjustin May 2013 #12
Can we do a DNA check... Buzz Clik May 2013 #17
Maybe if he runs, then Jennifer Granholm could run against him! cascadiance May 2013 #18
It seems to me natural-born might mean not adopted. Shrike47 May 2013 #20
No, that isn't at all what the Constitution means. WinkyDink May 2013 #46
Hatched. Loudly May 2013 #24
He's a natural born idiot? Initech May 2013 #25
Isn't the question mainstreetonce May 2013 #27
He was born to an American parent alcibiades_mystery May 2013 #30
So therefore he is eligible mainstreetonce May 2013 #31
End of story Aerows May 2013 #34
Right though right wingers have claimed treestar May 2013 #51
If an American woman gives birth while on vacation abroad, should her baby be ineligible Nye Bevan May 2013 #29
I know you argued Aerows May 2013 #33
Huh? Nye Bevan May 2013 #36
I was busy agreeing with you Aerows May 2013 #37
Not upset. I just don't remember posting on that issue (nt) Nye Bevan May 2013 #39
Fair enough n/t Aerows May 2013 #40
No. "US citizen" is insufficient, else the Constitution authors would not have INCLUDED "natural- WinkyDink May 2013 #48
The current interpretation of "natural born" is "US citizen at birth" Nye Bevan May 2013 #50
He's a Fundamentalist Aerows May 2013 #32
I want to see his birth certificate! backscatter712 May 2013 #35
Of course they would.. They know that dems won't waste time doing what THEY did SoCalDem May 2013 #41
You are wrong LostOne4Ever May 2013 #42
No. He is a Canadian-born person of dual citizenship. Does NOT fit the Constitution. WinkyDink May 2013 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author TygrBright May 2013 #47
Hypocrites. AndyA May 2013 #54
I would not at all be suprised to see him run...they will just change the rules.Tea/ Publicans Tippy May 2013 #55
McCain already settled this. Orsino May 2013 #57
natural born killers---oh please please run --this would be SO much fun dembotoz May 2013 #60
Ted Cruz is one person that has brought bipartisanship to the Senate. Beacool May 2013 #61

LonePirate

(13,499 posts)
1. Yet these same people think Obama is a Kenyan national.
Mon May 27, 2013, 06:27 PM
May 2013

As usual, it is always best not to follow right wing logic.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
44. My first thought too
Tue May 28, 2013, 11:42 AM
May 2013

Because of the Cuban father, Cruz is not a natural born citizen either, if they applied their arguments the same way. But why stay consistent when Republican?

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
53. Yep. But Cruz has the right skin color so of course he's a natural born American!
Tue May 28, 2013, 11:52 AM
May 2013

That said, I believe he has to be born on American soil in order to be president of the United States. You know? Like Obama.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
2. The fact remains that Cruz was 'born' in CANADA :)
Mon May 27, 2013, 06:28 PM
May 2013

Obama was born in Hawaii, USA and the Republicans went nuts - LOL



 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
13. Don't you mean, "Show us the birf cerfiticat!"
Mon May 27, 2013, 07:22 PM
May 2013

And it better not say "Cerfiticat of live birf" either.

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
4. I'm already making my birther protest signs.
Mon May 27, 2013, 06:31 PM
May 2013

*uncaps his black marker and takes a long whiff................*

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
8. I was born in a foreign country to an American citizen mother after 1960: I am "natural born"
Mon May 27, 2013, 07:10 PM
May 2013

And it was neither a military installation nor an embassy or State Department installation. I received an "American citizen born abroad" birth certificate from the US Embassy within 6 weeks of my birth. I am looking at it right now, as a matter of fact.

I really don't want to see imbecile lefty truthers on this. He is natural born.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
22. False
Mon May 27, 2013, 08:06 PM
May 2013

We are American citizens at the moment of our birth aka natural born. You are simply and totally incorrect.

former9thward

(32,379 posts)
23. You are wrong.
Mon May 27, 2013, 08:16 PM
May 2013

It is settled law that if you born to an American citizen you are 'natural born' no matter where on this earth you happened to be delivered.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
15. It's just rich because the idiot birthers insisted that being born in Kenya to a US citizen...
Mon May 27, 2013, 07:26 PM
May 2013

meant that person is not qualified to be president. To support Cruz running, they all have to do a complete 180 and say that the whole birther movement was based on bs

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
38. Prove that you were born, please.
Tue May 28, 2013, 10:54 AM
May 2013

After all, just because your mother SAID she gave birth to you doesn't mean that you really aren't an ALIEN LIFE FORM SECRETLY CONSPIRING TO DESTROY OUR PLANET WITH LEFTIST COMMIE ANTI-AMERICAN TIME TRAVELING SECRET GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY OLIVE GARDEN EATING CIRCUMCISED PITBULL LOVING LIBERAL STUFF!!!

I demand answers, dammit! Prove your humanity FIRST, and then we will discuss whether you are "american enough" for the Republicans!!!

treestar

(82,383 posts)
49. lol
Tue May 28, 2013, 11:48 AM
May 2013
And we want to see his MOTHER'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE and his SCHOOL RECORDS! And how come no one has ever heard of him before this? Huh?
 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
45. You aren't running for President. It's absurd to say someone born on foreign soil is a "natural-born
Tue May 28, 2013, 11:42 AM
May 2013

American"!

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
56. You're wrong
Tue May 28, 2013, 12:17 PM
May 2013

It is not only NOT absurd, it is the law. You simply don't understand the law or the term.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
9. he is right, unfortunately
Mon May 27, 2013, 07:13 PM
May 2013

if one of his parents is American, he is. my daughter was born in mexico. her mother is a Mexican citizen and the embassy in mexico recognized her as an "American born abroad" I have the paper to prove it. she is eligible to run for president.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
19. I was born of two Americans in Indonesia...
Mon May 27, 2013, 07:54 PM
May 2013

I don't think Orly Taitz and her crowd would let me run, even if I'm technically "eligible"...

Certainly didn't stop them when one of Obama's parents was *AMERICAN* and they were uptight that he was either born there or in Kenya according to them...

Of course, they don't care if John McCain was likely not even born on a military base in Panama either, which would open up questions about him as well. There hasn't been a printed record of him being born on that military base when some people looked in to it, which might have given him an "excuse" that perhaps Obama didn't have.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
63. he won't make it through the primary
Tue May 28, 2013, 06:23 PM
May 2013

the mouth breathers will love him but then the money bags will step in and pick a more seemingly at least moderate like they have done the last two presidential elections. He's Michele Bachman (dude version).

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
18. Maybe if he runs, then Jennifer Granholm could run against him!
Mon May 27, 2013, 07:53 PM
May 2013

He just better not have a car elevator, or Granholm can recycle a good line from the convention last year.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
34. End of story
Tue May 28, 2013, 10:49 AM
May 2013

I don't like him, but none of that makes him unable to be POTUS. His quality of being a bat shit crazy should make him ineligible for President, but not his citizenship.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
51. Right though right wingers have claimed
Tue May 28, 2013, 11:50 AM
May 2013

some of the saner ones, that the decision has never really been made and that the courts ought to decide it. In this case, it could be seen as a grey area. The reason Orly Taitz's cases never go anywhere is that Obama was born in the U.S. With this, the cases might actually get heard on the issue.



Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
29. If an American woman gives birth while on vacation abroad, should her baby be ineligible
Mon May 27, 2013, 11:19 PM
May 2013

for the Presidency? The answer is no. Both this baby and Ted Cruz are considered "natural born" as they were US citizens from the moment of their birth.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
36. Huh?
Tue May 28, 2013, 10:50 AM
May 2013

I don't think I ever posted on that ridiculous non-issue. Perhaps you are thinking of someone else?

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
48. No. "US citizen" is insufficient, else the Constitution authors would not have INCLUDED "natural-
Tue May 28, 2013, 11:47 AM
May 2013

born"!

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
50. The current interpretation of "natural born" is "US citizen at birth"
Tue May 28, 2013, 11:49 AM
May 2013

as opposed to someone who became a naturalized citizen later.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
32. He's a Fundamentalist
Tue May 28, 2013, 10:44 AM
May 2013

Reasoning with a Fundamentalist is like trying to make rational sense of a person in the throws of abject drug addiction - they are just too out of it to have any sense, right, wrong or otherwise. They lose their minds and in their convoluted world, they are the only beings with the answers, the only beings that are right, and the only beings that are righteous.

It's a shame we have such people in the legislator role for our country. They are as dangerous as a heroin addict making laws.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
35. I want to see his birth certificate!
Tue May 28, 2013, 10:50 AM
May 2013

I'm not convinced he's part of a Cuban Communist plot to infiltrate the government!

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
41. Of course they would.. They know that dems won't waste time doing what THEY did
Tue May 28, 2013, 11:13 AM
May 2013

Someday, we DO need a total SCOTUS ruling, since the world is getting smaller every day.. The 2nd amendment apparently needs NO further interpretation, even though it is quite "wiggly"..

The founders wanted natural born AKA born HERE because they feared that someone born in the UK might someday start up a monarchy. They fully intended that only people actually born here could rule, even though the others could still become citizens...just not ruling citizens.

As with much in the constitution, if the republicans read it a certain way,m THAT automatically becomes the ONLY way it can be interpreted.

In this day and age, we need to allow ANYONE (naturalized as well) to be eligible to run for any office ...including the presidency, BUT we must have a definitive ruling so that NO ONE can ever do what the Tea Bag folks did for THREE YEARS...

LostOne4Ever

(9,329 posts)
42. You are wrong
Tue May 28, 2013, 11:40 AM
May 2013

Someone as bat-shit insane as he is had to be born on a completely different planet.

Uranus perhaps?

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
43. No. He is a Canadian-born person of dual citizenship. Does NOT fit the Constitution.
Tue May 28, 2013, 11:41 AM
May 2013

Why the HELL otherwise would Kenya have been brought up, when everyone knows Obama's mother was American?

Why the HELL otherwise would McCain have made clear he was born on American territory in Panama, when everyone knows his parents were American?

The Founding Fathers wanted NO QUESTION OF LOYALTIES.

Response to RandySF (Original post)

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
54. Hypocrites.
Tue May 28, 2013, 11:56 AM
May 2013

Cruz is an alien. He is not a natural born American.

Hopefully, the Mother Ship will come back some day to take him back where he came from, along with Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Louie Gohmert, Michele Bachmann, Rand Paul, Glen Beck, Sean Hannity, Jim Inhofe, Tom Coburn, Darrell Issa, Antonin Scalia, etc., etc., etc.

They're gonna need to send the BIG Mother Ship, they've left a lot of trash here over the years.

Tippy

(4,610 posts)
55. I would not at all be suprised to see him run...they will just change the rules.Tea/ Publicans
Tue May 28, 2013, 11:58 AM
May 2013

are getting really good at that and we know The Bought and Paid for SCOTUS will rubber stamp it..

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
57. McCain already settled this.
Tue May 28, 2013, 01:09 PM
May 2013

A presidential candidate need not be born within the US borders, unless it was in a Soviet bloc country like Hawaii.

Beacool

(30,260 posts)
61. Ted Cruz is one person that has brought bipartisanship to the Senate.
Tue May 28, 2013, 02:49 PM
May 2013

He's one guy they all can agree on: they hate him. He's a rude, arrogant jerk who doesn't show respect to his colleagues.

Let him run for president, his major hurdle is not having been born in Canada, it's being a prick.

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