Using "them" as an excuse to post cold heartless shit doesn't excuse your cold heartlessness.

[cherokeeprogressive]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Turborama (a host of the General Discussion forum).

I'm seeing a hell of a lot of posters patting themselves on the back for having the correct politics, and the bodies haven't even been found yet. The ONLY people I've encountered who are politicizing The Moore Tornadoes of 5-20-2013 are right here at DU.

You go ahead and keep patting yourselves on the back while you let your politics get ahead of your compassion. It says a lot about you.

THERE IS A POST stating they should be left to deal with this on their own because they elected their representatives. Puke.

[sufrommich]

1. Yep. k&r. nt

[Dreamer Tatum]

2. Many people here view sarcasm as currency

and they spend wildly when they think it will help.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

107. Good observation. And I think we're all a bit punch drunk.

I feel as though I go into the ring nearly every time I come here.

[patrice]

3. K - I - C - K

[freshwest]

185. Sorry to hear this. I'm only seeing the threads reacting to it, I would never do that.

Because that is anti-Democratic, the same as Republicans, saying 'I've got mine and to hell with you.'

That's not the Democratic Party platform in any shape or form, not the Great Society or the New Deal or any kind of liberal or progressive.

A Dem must believe that a good government reacts to the will of all of the people and takes care of all equally, no matter what. It is the GOP that makes purity tests, which says if one doesn't believe 'the right way', they don't deserve to be treated as we would all like to be treated.

By succumbing to that way of thinking means the person not matter how justified they feel they are, is acting like a Gopper.

We are not the party of better than thou self-righteousness. In each and every state and area, despite prejudice, change can happen, hearts can be won.

Hatred and disdain do not help change anything, all it does is hurt and get people's backs up.

We are better than that here, or at least I hope we are.

[txwhitedove]

4. Thanks. I was seeing it too, and reminds me of armchair quarterback questions why people live along

the coast prone to hurricanes, why didn't they go to shelter, why, why after Katrina.

[daleanime]

5. Not to doubt you but, link please....

I'm the type that has to smell the sewage first hand.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

7. I have seen two such posts that were deleted by the author...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022873224

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022872939

[daleanime]

11. Well, at least they're willing to clean up....

after themselves.

[cherokeeprogressive]

9. Here's the one that made me angriest.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2873969

[daleanime]

14. Eeeeeeuuuu......

I never liked that quote to begin with, and in this context its just wrong.

[OKNancy]

36. another from the same poster

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014488176#post4

[Fumesucker]

45. 504 posts since 2009?

And they pop up for this?

Hmmm..

[abq e streeter]

135. This is the one that I voted to hide; see my post downthread. And it was upheld ... Sickening.

[Ms. Toad]

15. Here's another -

Not self-deleted & a jury unbelievably let it stand 4-2. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022872809#post3

And a couple more for good measure:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2874263
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022873437

[cherokeeprogressive]

18. You know... the replies to that idiocy actually make me believe there is hope.

It takes monsters like that to bring out the good sometimes. I cannot believe it stood and some of the posts calling it what it is were hidden though.

[xmas74]

22. I commented on one of them.

I hate such tackiness.

I've been through tornadoes and floods. Now's not the time to bring anything but good thoughts and well-wishes into the discussion.

[Ms. Toad]

26. Thanks. n/t

[Lex]

6. Eh, same as always. nt

[randome]

46. Yes. Every natural disaster follows the same pattern on DU.

Culminating with a thread complaining about the other threads. And I say that seeing the current thread as a necessary one.

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[OKNancy]

8. These kinds of attitudes are why some people can't abide liberals

We will never sway people to our side because we have too many who are snobbish, cruel, and heartless.

You know, I know a lot of Republicans here in Oklahoma. Ninety-nine percent of them are nice, wonderful people.
Okies are a pretty caring bunch when it comes to our neighbors.

Sometimes I really hate DU. I hate the haughty tone, I hate the lack of political realism, I hate the whiners and the knee-jerkers.
But most of all I hate the haters.

My temporary fit will be gone tomorrow because I'm not a hater. I can't say that about some here.

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[Texasgal]

27. Hugs to you Nancy!

I am so happy that your family is okay. I hate the haters too.

I also need to add that every person I've ever met from Oklahoma has been pleasant...except for OU fans at the cotton bowl every year.

[OKNancy]

29. LOL

It's hard to be humble.......

[lolly]

91. Sigh.

We will never sway people to our side because we have too many who are snobbish,cruel, and heartless?

So, why do so many people vote Republican? How do they get people to their side despite being, quite frequently and unabashedly, snobbish, cruel, and heartless?

Do I think the government should move as quickly as possible to save and help the folks in OK who desperately need it? Yes.

Do I think that many of them need to be reminded, after they accept help, that people in NOLA and New Jersey were just as deserving, and that they perhaps should think twice about voting people in to office who make no bones about wanting to gut FEMA and leave people to fend for themselves in natural disasters?

Yes.

Do I think the fine senators from OK should be reminded of this, loudly and frequently?

Yes.

[MsPithy]

184. Well said.

Has New Jersey ever elected senators who begrudged, or voted against federal funds to rebuilt OK over and over and over again after tornadoes?

[AnotherMcIntosh]

93. Excuse me, but I don't think that they are liberals at all.

Such heartlessness is not typical of liberals but is typical of the "self-reliant" right-wing types, some of whom represent themselves as being liberals.

[bbinacan]

102. Bullshit

haow about this comment


Lizz Winstead ✔ @lizzwinstead

This tornado is in Oklahoma so clearly it has been ordered to only target conservatives.
4:34 PM - 20 May 2013

A fine example from the Daily Show. How many dead now including kids?

[AnotherMcIntosh]

104. Only right-wingers believe in dichotomized thinking. Do you really think that all non-conservatives

are liberals?

That kind of belief is bullshit.

[bbinacan]

109. Right on

[cheapdate]

117. Who is Lizz Winstead?

[Raine1967]

153. I call Bullshit: Lizz is a personal friend.

She's also known as satirist and a comedian.

Totally not in sync with this thread.

[MsPithy]

96. Nancy, I sincerely hope you and your family and neighbors are safe tonight, but

I have to tell you, I AM A HATER.

I hate senators coburn and imhofe for having the despicable hypocrisy to vote against the Sandy relief package, knowing full well that OK is consistently devastated by tornadoes.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/01/29/1510041/sandy-aid-republican-hypocrites/

You say, "Okies are a pretty caring bunch when it comes to our neighbors." Did your "neighbors," in New Jersey ever complain about one thin dime of federal dollars to help OK rebuild, time after time?

Back in the day, all Americans had only one response to regional disasters and it was, what do you need? Followed by, how can we get it to you faster? It was republicans who decided their fetish for "small government," meant disaster aid is for me only, money to help you is "big government."

So, when Democrats call out republicans for this jaw-dropping, selfish evil, we are haughty, whining, snobbish, cruel and heartless?

I disagree.

[bbinacan]

105. I see you're a hater, now

become a researcher and you'll see why the opposition to the Sandy Bill. Here's a hint, too much shit buried in that bill. Present the Sandy bill for just Sandy.

[lolly]

127. Yeah, that's was the excuse given

So, is it OK with you then if all the blue state congresspeople vote against relief for these victims if there is a penny of funding that isn't directly tied to disaster relief?

You know, like infrastructure repair, or 9-1-1 equipment upgrades, etc. etc.

Or are you going to argue that congressmembers from red states are far too noble to use disaster relief to bring federal money into their districts?

[MsPithy]

139. I see that you

swallow republican talking points, hook, line and sinker.

[lolly]

144. Yep.

Even as we're told how heartless it is to suggest that people in OK should learn to appreciate government help and not deny it to other folks, we're told that it's still OK to deny it to other folks.

[cheapdate]

120. I second that.

[awoke_in_2003]

124. Liberals help people...

it is part of our nature.

[AndyA]

129. +1,000 Nancy!

I've also found some here at DU try so hard to find anything wrong with what someone else wrote, they literally imagine something is there that isn't. It makes DU a very unwelcome place.

You shouldn't have to be a constitutional and political expert to post here at DU, and these silly attacks on people because they either don't know better or had their words twisted don't encourage participation, and make DU look bad, much the same as the snobbish, cruel, and heartless attitudes you mentioned.

Glad you're OK, Nancy. We dodged it again in Tulsa. It seems like Moore just keeps getting wiped off the map every few years.

[rhett o rick]

171. What makes you think that it is liberals that are so heartless?

And if you aint liberal yourself, please explain what you are. DU is a sight for "politically liberal people".

[rhett o rick]

175. I am curious why you would say these comments are being made by liberals. Do you have

any kind of proof. Why the rush to disparage liberals? And if you arent liberal what are you??? What are you Nancy?

DU is a sight for "politically liberal people". What are you Nancy?

[BillyRibs]

177. Well you said it...

Some folks here have been kicked too often it is a knee jerk reaction. BTW I'm happy you're doing well.

[freshwest]

187. I've just engaged one and I agree with it all you say. Take care, OKNancy.

[Cha]

194. I hear ya, Nancy!

OK!

[Lone_Star_Dem]

10. It's sadly looking like the majority of those lost today may be children

Little helpless children that we as a society are supposed to protect. I can't wrap my head around anyone pulling the "I'm better than those people card" knowing that fact.

It's wrong on a basic moral level.

[cherokeeprogressive]

13. It seems as though at least one is OK with screwing them because of the voting pattern

of their parents.

This is the last place one would think attitudes like this could be found.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

17. It happens every time a tragedy happens in a red or even purple state.

Some people cannot see beyond their bigoted noses. No matter the level of human suffering involved. It reflects poorly on them, but they're to blinded by their hate filled bias to realize that.

You'd think they could at least wait until after the dead are recovered and counted, but that might appear too decent, too human. Better to be an ass now while people are in shock over the tragic loss of so many little children.

[Ms. Toad]

24. And -

it is a pretty safe bet that none of these people who are acting like jerks today every lived in a community in the heartland.

I grew up in a small town in Nebraska - and my neighbors would have given me the shirts off their backs - even though I'm a hippie pinko lesbian, in their eyes. I can't say the same for anyone who is insensitive enough to be playing politics today.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

34. No, the people being jerks have a stereotype image they believe to be true.

They don't know, nor care, that the majority of these people aren't political. They don't even vote. But, what these people in the heartland are is a community, and that's something that matters to them. It's something they can understand and value. I've seen it personally, too. Their politics may be different than mine, but there are other factors in life they get right.

[lolly]

133. Perhaps they should get political

Perhaps they should vote.

Now you're going to twist this to say that I'm berating children for not voting, but that is of course not what you originally said.

Not to vote, is to vote for those who won. And it wouldn't hurt to make it clear where the help came from when this is all over.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

140. You know, I'm not the one twisting anything here.

Others sure are, though and that says a lot about who they are as people. Which is sad to see.

[xmas74]

28. The comments were made during Joplin.

I remember them quite well. I logged on, looking for info, and logged right back off that day. I had/have friends there and wanted to find some updates.

I will forever remember a few of the more hateful comments and I remember who made them. If I hadn't immediately logged off that day I would have been banned for a few of the comments I wanted to make at them.

[maddezmom]

116. Same for Katrina and Ike, etc.

Sad but tragedies in the south bring out the worst in some DU'ers.

[xmas74]

126. I remember the Katrina comments.

Vile.

I think a number of those posters are gone, at least. The comments I read about Joplin-not all of them are gone.

[Posteritatis]

89. The type who'd pull that card at all wouldn't care about the victims whatever their age. (nt)

[SCVDem]

106. What's wrong,

is to build schools in tornado alley without adequate shelters because it's too expensive.

Children died because of the cheap bastards who couldn't blow a basement in stable bedrock!

Tell me I'm wrong!

What is a childs life worth?

[Lone_Star_Dem]

110. Underfunding education is wrong.

Not caring for our children is wrong.

Politicizing of Sandy Harbor by the RW gun people the day the tragedy took place was wrong.

Politicizing the deaths of these children due to the politics of te state is wrong.

[enki23]

123. Looking for easily avoided contributions to children's death is "politicizing" in only one way:

that some politicians are numb fucks who don't give a damn about public safety or welfare. One is, apparently, only allowed to be angry about this under conditions in which most people will wonder what you're angry about.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

137. What are you talking about?

I'm upset for people here going off and saying how OK. Deserves no aide, and ignoring the tragic loss of lives which has taken place. There is a time and a place for everything, and before the bodies are even recovered and counted is not the time to be showing your partisan take on a tragedy. We were appalled here when the RW did the exact thing at Sandy Harbor, and rightly so. I'm equally appalled now to see people pulling the "you get what you vote for" card. It's morally wrong.

Lives are lost, many of them children. Innocent children who have nothing to do with politics.

[freshwest]

192. In many places, progressives are outvoted. That doesn't make them evil. Such talk is illogical.

Some wonder why some leave the Democratic Party or DU. A kick in the gut when one is hurting or spitting in their face doesn't win friends. I wonder why some feel so entitled as to do that to other human beings. It's exactly what we deplore in Republicans, etc. so much.

[wercal]

12. Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse just did the same - from the Senate Floor

[MADem]

84. He said we're all in this together, and GOP policies are making it worse, from tornadoes

in the midwest to hurricanes in the east, and then some.

He didn't pull any punches.

[BlueJazz]

16. Damn...something like that never even crossed my mind. Are you sure it's not sarcasm ??

[oldhippie]

19. But, but, it's OK when we do it .....

... because we progressives are on the proper (not Right) side.

[hlthe2b]

20. This is the ugly side of some DUers... We saw this with the CO fires--esp. in CO Springs...

They can pat themselves on the back, as you say, but those who engage is this contemptible commentary, are NOT PROGRESSIVES, but rather something far more contemptible than civility will allow me to say.

There but for the grace of God or Goddess or SHEER, PURE, LUCK, go I.

for all the victims and their families.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

30. It's not an ugly side.

Mike Coffman, Cory Gardner, Scott Tipton, and Doug Lamborn voted against Sandy aid, and apparently believe small government is preferable to a government that can effectively respond to natural disasters. As a result of their actions and their beliefs, I don't want a red cent going from Washington to their districts when/if disaster (tornadoes, wild fire, or blizzard) strikes.

If the people who live in these districts don't like it, then they should vote those people out of office.

[hlthe2b]

33. There is a very very very large contingent of progressives there trying to do so.

including quite a few DUers. With their help, we have been able to turn CO into a BLUE state since 2008.

So screw that nasty assed attitude. AND SHAME ON YOU!

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

38. Elections have consequences bub.

If certain reps and senators vote to deny aid to certain regions due to political motivations, then they should expect the same in return.

Paybacks a motherfucker, ain't it?

[Texasgal]

54. yeah... with children

still being pulled from the rubble.

What an ass you are.

[Texasgal]

77. i know you are trying to bait me

I won't do it! I will not waste a juries time on you· Whatever· Enjoy yourself·

[Dorian Gray]

61. I'm glad you're not dictator

[hlthe2b]

83. I live in liberal Denver, but guess what, BUB... Colorado turning blue (from all of us fighting

to do so, was a very large part of why we have Dems holding the Senate and Obama in the WH.

You are disgustingly condescending and ill informed if you think that taking back a highly RED area (such as CO Springs) can be done overnight. Amazingly arrogant attitude.

And, you are showing as little compassion as any RW conservative.

[MADem]

57. The important thing is simply to distinguish between the people and the politicians.

The people deserve all the help that We, The People can give them. Right now, with all the compassion we can muster.

The POLITICIANS need to be called out on their "big gubmint, MAH TAX dollars, you Sandy people can stew in your own juices" type rhetoric.

It can be done. Most folk can walk and chew gum at the same time. Most, too, can distinguish between innocent civilians caught in a bad natural disaster, and elected officials who are meanspirited assholes who vote against aid for disasters that don't happen in their back yard.

There's not a thing wrong with pointing out that bit of cognitive dissonance, so long as there's no victim blaming going on.

And if not now, when? In no time, we'll all be on to the Next Most Important Thing In The World According To The Internet.

DWTS can have their final celebrations, and also pay tribute to the first responders in the wake of the OK disaster. They just did that on the tee vee now.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

66. The POLITICIANS are ELECTED by the PEOPLE.

If a politician campaigns, and is elected on a platform of "small government" the people who voted to elect that politician should be forced to live with the consequences of their actions in the voting booth. The hypocrisy is off the charts!

[kentauros]

82. But they're not elected by 100% of all possible voters!

Way to throw the Liberals there under the bus because there weren't enough of them electing Dems into office

You're yet another fine example of how just because one is a Liberal doesn't mean you have or understand how to have compassion for your fellow human beings, no matter what their voting record!

[MADem]

90. Come back to me when voting in USA is mandatory. Your point is not taken.

The people who choose the elected representative of a state are a minority of the population of a state.

So stop crabbing at people, some of whom are just stupid and don't vote, and many of whom are undocumented and cannot vote, or under eighteen and too YOUNG to vote--stick to the politicians, like Senator Whitehouse did.

[jeff47]

130. Isn't that all the more reason to have the consequences matter?

A large reason why so few vote is because Fox and the rest of the media has turned government into reality TV. They do their best to portray politics as "Housewives of DC" instead of being critically important.

If the result of not voting were more obvious, more people would vote instead of regurgitating "it doesn't matter if I vote or not".

[MADem]

136. You're still punishing the children and the non-citizens.

As well as the ones who didn't vote for those assholes.

I didn't vote for that asshole Scott Brown--it's bad enough I had to be represented by him, should I be further punished because there were not enough people like me to "prevent" him from being my shitty Senator for a portion of a term?

[jeff47]

145. So were the Oklahomans.

There are plenty of children and non-citizens who were hit by hurricane Sandy. Oklahomans, through their representatives, voted to hurt them.

I don't want to deny any aid to Oklahoma. I want it beaten into their skulls that we are helping them despite the suffering they wished on others. And they should consider that their senators and most of their representatives shouted "Fuck you" to the northeast when they next go into the voting booth.

I didn't vote for that asshole Scott Brown--it's bad enough I had to be represented by him, should I be further punished because there were not enough people like me to "prevent" him from being my shitty Senator for a portion of a term?

Yes. Actions have consequences. If people don't bother to show up and vote, then it should hurt the people who don't bother to show up and vote.

[lolly]

151. +1

It's called accountability. Apparently, it's not nice to call out Republicans. It makes you a monster who is worse than they are.

[MADem]

155. No, "the Oklahomans" did not "vote to hurt them."

Many of those "Oklahomans" didn't vote for the assholes who denied the Sandy aid. They voted for the other guy, they did not vote at all, they were not eligible to vote due to lack of age or citizenship.

Yet you persist in wanting to single out all "the Oklahomans" in the state for the "sins" of the minority of the state.

That's very Kim Jong Un-ish....like those camps where they punish three generations of a "bad" family. Get 'em all, even the innocents!


It's NOT cool.

And, FWIW, I voted for Brown's OPPONENT, Martha Coakley. Just because I said I did not vote for him doesn't mean I didn't vote at all--but your mind went straight to that "solution." What does that say about you, that you entertain the worst case first?

Further, I drove people to the polls, too. Probably close to fifty or sixty voters.

But per you, I should still be punished because I didn't have enough friends in the voting booth.

I can't believe you said this: If people don't bother to show up and vote, then it should hurt the people who don't bother to show up and vote. Never mind that it hurts those that DID exercise their civic duty, or couldn't due to ineligibility?

You do realize that your thesis is coming off as incredibly bigoted and stupid? Small-minded? Mean? Nasty? Selfish?

The blame needs to be put right where it belongs--on the POLITICIANS. Not the innocents.

[jeff47]

162. Yes, they did.

Many of those "Oklahomans" didn't vote for the assholes who denied the Sandy aid.

A very, very, very strong majority of the people who bothered to show up did.

Didn't show up? Well then perhaps they should go take a look at those dead kids and reconsider just how important government is.

Yet you persist in wanting to single out all "the Oklahomans" in the state for the "sins" of the minority of the state.

Oklahomans who voted for the Republicans wanted this. And Oklahomans who didn't bother to show up to vote declared they did not care if these assholes spoke for them. That adds up to a very large majority or Oklahomans.

And, FWIW, I voted for Brown's OPPONENT, Martha Coakley. Just because I said I did not vote for him doesn't mean I didn't vote at all--but your mind went straight to that "solution."

Nope. If your rage wasn't blinding you, you'd notice I was talking about non-voters. Not you.

But per you, I should still be punished because I didn't have enough friends in the voting booth.

In a democracy, we don't get what we deserve. We get what the majority votes for.

You do realize that your thesis is coming off as incredibly bigoted and stupid? Small-minded? Mean? Nasty? Selfish?

Only because your self-righteousness is demanding that I be pure evil.

The blame needs to be put right where it belongs--on the POLITICIANS. Not the innocents.

And how, exactly, do you intend to do that?

Oklahomans have been voting for politicians that give a big "fuck you" to disaster aid for more than a decade. So reminding Oklahomans that they've been saying "Fuck you" to innocents has failed for a decade.

Oklahomans live smack-dab in the middle of tornado alley. They've been voting against public storm shelters, and storm shelters in schools, for decades. Tornadoes come by regularly to remind Oklahomans of this, yet they continue to vote against saving the lives of their own children.

I do not have a solution to this. If they oppose spending money to save their own children from a tornado, I really have no idea how to reach them with a poster or 30-second TV ad.

So how do you solve that political problem?

[MADem]

188. Your arguments are really sick and vindictive. And stupid, frankly.

A QUARTER of the population is under 18, so they didn't vote for anyone. Nearly three percent are not US citizens, so they didn't vote for anyone, either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Oklahoma

Also, it's not like there aren't any Democrats in OK; they are still a force but they simply don't hold the majority anymore. http://newsok.com/gop-registration-in-oklahoma-continues-to-grow/article/3698732

I just don't understand your logic. You would punish Democrats and kids and foreigners, just because there aren't enough Democrats in Oklahoma to counter the GOP. It's foolish, logic--and full of that rage and anger you accuse others of possessing.

Actually, you have a good idea in this last post--the 30 second ad. They work. Call out the bastards, like Kelly Ayotte of NH was called out for her stance on background checks. Those ads are VERY effective, to the point where the first ad was rebutted with some weasel words, only to be met by a second anti-Ayotte ad responding to the rebuttal saying, in essence "Bullshit. She voted against it and she can't duck that fact." Ayotte has a problem with the voters of NH now, and it's based solely on voter information advertisements detailing, through the words of angry citizens, how she voted on background checks. And ads ensure she can't duck the issue--even a clueless dolt watching cartoons has seen the ads. They are good.

[Summer Hathaway]

95. What about those who DIDN'T vote

for the 'small government' politicians?

Are you suggesting we ask who voted for who, and only give aid/relief to those who can prove they didn't vote for those who ran on a 'small government' platform?

I agree that the hypocrisy is off the charts - and that hypocrisy is your own.

[MADem]

138. Heh heh...that's how they're planning on doing it in Venezuela!

The new jefe told his own party he knows who didn't vote for him and that consequences would accrue to them for voting for the other guy.

I agree with you that we're better than that!

[phleshdef]

161. All Americans should be able to count on relief from their government.

A shared, high quality life for all is the point of progressivism/liberalism.

This kind of hateful thinking has no place here in my opinion. Political/ideological discrimination is not a value we should be embracing. If you think something like that is okay, you are the enemy.

[cordelia]

114. And here you are, right on schedule to spout your usual brand of hateful horseshit.

I hope you never claim you're compassionate toward anyone, because that probably wouldn't be accurate.

Playing politics while children lie dead and unaccounted for.

Beneath contempt.

[Texasgal]

21. Pretty sick

I agree.

I guess not all of us are compassionate, loving people...even on DU. There's always an asshole somewhere.

[hrmjustin]

23. K and R!

[loyalsister]

25. Well said!

This is reminding me of Joplin. The traumatized survivors now living with PTSD. People losing their jobs and houses at the same time...
This is what they are going to see tomorrow. It is WAY too soon to be talking politics in this unless you are expressing support for THEM...

[AverageJoe90]

31. Wonder when the "It's just climate change, new normal. Deal with it." posts are coming next?

Wouldn't be surprised, sadly. There are a fair number of people who'll use their pet issue to make a point, regardless of how insensitive it may be....I mean, I hope I'm wrong, but it'd be like saying, "Well, they deserved it for electing oil shills" after the Mayflower, Ark., incident, you know?

Seriously, though, BigDarryl should have known better than to say what he did. Fuck, man, this ain't what we're about.

[nolabear]

32. "Hate is like drinking poison and waiting for your enemy to die."

Some things go beyond disagreement. I can only hope that my own compassion will sway someone to be more compassionate themselves. I KNOW my hatred won't. Sometimes it's really, really hard to feel that way but every day I try.

[Phlem]

35. I see you've met

the DU Tea Party.

-p

[dlwickham]

37. let me ask something which I know will be considered heartless

would those affected by the tornadoes be considerate of others who have been negatively affected by other natural disasters

Huffington Post has an article about how the two Oklahoma senators have voted against disaster reliefs for those affected by Hurricane Sandy and against funds going to FEMA

should those who voted for Inhofe and Coburn pay a penalty for doing so?

I'm inclined to say yes

sorry but that's what I believe-just in the same way I don't think red states that vote for these bozos should get as many federal dollars as they do

[cherokeeprogressive]

42. You have no idea how each and every one of those who are directly impacted voted.

Unless you know something I don't.

That said, I don't believe people who hold this kind of opinion belong here at DU.

Why don't you tell me exactly who voted for Inhofe and Coburn? We could hunt them down and shoot them maybe? Then we'd be well on our way toward a better world...

ETA: I don't think any of the children who perished in this disaster voted, but then, you seem to know more than I do about voting patterns.

[icarusxat]

80. are you suggesting we check the Diebold machines to see how the children voted?

[arcane1]

44. Collective punishment. How noble of you. Having Inhofe and Coburn isn't punishment enough?

The people who do not vote republican get punished as well? And the punishment involves not assisting them in a disaster?

Sometimes I think DU is over-crowded.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

48. Inhofe and Coburn are re-elected every 6 years by an overwhelming majority of the Oklahoma

electorate. Elections have consequences.

[cherokeeprogressive]

56. And the voting is ANYTHING but unanimious. That doesn't matter to some though, right? Like you?

Fuck those who voted against them, simply for not moving to a "blue" state after they lost?

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

72. It's the will of the vast majority of Oklahoma voters. n/t

[lolly]

108. Well, apparently the plan is

Whenever a horrible disaster happens in a blue state (or, in the case of NOLA, a blue city) we should all wring our hands and shake our heads when the Republicans in congress block and delay aid to those states and say, Oh Dear what a shame.

Then, when disasters happen in red states, we should send as much aid as possible, as fast as possible, and never, ever mention the nasty things the Republicans said about blue states when they needed money, because that would be far worse than them blocking aid to those blue states.

Lather, rise, repeat.

Give them aid? Absolutely.

But don't ever let the Republicans off the hook on this, or it will just keep happening again and again.

[CBGLuthier]

58. Who did the children vote for?

Oh yeah they don't get to vote.

WTF is wrong with you people? You are horrible horrible people.

[TDale313]

69. ^^^ this ^^^

[NoPasaran]

60. Re your signature line

You do not need to try any harder, sir.

[piedmont]

98. Are you seriously asking if an eight-year-old child trapped under the rubble of her school would...

"be considerate of others who have been negatively affected by other natural disasters ?"

I don't think you are "cold hearted." That's giving you too much credit.

[lolly]

125. She will grow up some day, thank heavens.

Hopefully, she will realize that sometimes people need help from others.

[treestar]

112. It does seem kind of hypocritical if their representatives voted against Sandy aid

I don't suppose this experience will make them any more liberal, maybe it will.

And saying they shouldn't get aid due to their political beliefs (heck, the R Congress may vote not to give them any) isn't the same as not having any empathy or feeling sad or sorry. Or believing they should have money raised as charity - that is how conservatives think it should be.

It is a very red state and it won't be long before somebody from that state is blaming Obama for not doing enough. That is going to be hypocritical -saying it's "heartless" to realize that doesn't really do anything to change this.

[dlwickham]

189. people are already blaming "teh gays" for this

God's punishment and whatnot

[curlyred]

156. You can't possibly be serious.

We take care of our own

[cordelia]

159. Yep. Heartless.

Inhumane even.

How do you plan to penalize the people who were too young to vote, etc.

Heartless is being generous.

[phleshdef]

163. Oh so you think political discrimination is ok?

You are not a Democrat, a liberal or a progressive, if that's the way you think. We do not fucking penalize people for how they voted. That's against everything we supposedly stand for. We just don't do it.

[siligut]

39. I haven't seen any

The posts about the tornadoes that I have been reading are all showing concern and compassion.

[cherokeeprogressive]

41. Go up to post #7 and start down from there. Also, read the post directly above yours. n/t

[siligut]

147. Thanks, I think I was reading only so much of these tornado threads

The destruction and especially the schools and animals really beat my emotions up, so I limit my viewing. I appreciate being informed regarding this tiresome thinking though.

[AngryOldDem]

59. Check out this in LBN.

Beginning with post 55 and continuing in the subthread. Did you know that Oklahoma is a welfare state?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=487867

[siligut]

134. OK, I guess I was blocking it out

I think I am going to go back to that strategy now, thank you. I understand the irritation.

[freemay20]

43. Agree 100%

Well said Cherokee. There are so many schmucks on here that simply like to thump and stroke their self-created element of importance. I have also found that about 85% of these people never have a creative thought, never actually take action to support anything, yet take credit for things they tend to copy and paste. Once again, WELL SAID!!!

[southerncrone]

47. Those kids didn't get to vote to elect their reps. So,

I guess some people think they are "dispensable".
.
Some things are BIGGER & MORE IMPORTANT than politics.

[ErikJ]

49. Gee, where was their compassion for Sandy?

[cherokeeprogressive]

50. Who gives a FUCK?

I'd imagine their compassion for Sandy was left out on the playground where they play every day. Oh wait...

[ErikJ]

53. RWers have SHORT memory my friend. Gotta hit this hard now

because next month they'll be marching in a Tea Party rally funded by the Koch brothers who are the Climate change deniers.

[cherokeeprogressive]

63. Nah. YOU "hit this hard", if that's what helps you sleep at night.

At least 57 of them (last count I heard) WILL NOT BE MARCHING IN ANY RALLY. At least 57 of them ARE NOW ONLY A MEMORY. Fuck all of them and ESPECIALLY fuck those who voted for Inhofe and Coburn. THAT'S the ticket!

You go though... hit it HARD.

And if it's all the same, we could never be friends if that's how you think.

[ErikJ]

67. Hell, 87 people a DAY die in gun deaths and do you think the RWers give a shit?

All is fair in war!

[Texasgal]

52. Personally, having been through

a devastating hurricane I had much compassion for Sandy victims.

[Posteritatis]

86. Whose? The kids in the elementary school? (nt)

[AngryOldDem]

51. K and effing R!

I get so damned sick of those threads when tragedies like this happen.

I am NOT withholding my help and compassion from an entire population because one or two of their representatives have been jerks.

[ErikJ]

65. How about NEVER AGAIN!??????

Sometimes you have to be very BLUNT and forceful to get the message across to those without a heart.
Believe me. RWers are not wringing their hands over this now. They will be marching at Tea Party rallies tomorrow funded by the Climate Change denying Koch Brothers. Think of it as an ideological war with the devil.

[AngryOldDem]

68. If they "don't have a heart," then they won't get the message anyway.

All the more reason to say "fuck politics" and come together as a decent, compassionate society and help our fellow citizens.

Ideology is very cold comfort to a lot of people tonight. But if this fight makes you feel better... carry on.

[ErikJ]

73. These RW fuckers are the scourge of the whole fucking planet. I dont feel like playing nice right

now thanks. All is fair in love and war.

[lolly]

143. That sounds nice--coming together as decent and compassionate society

Too bad it only happens--or is called for--when disasters happen in red states.

But hey, don't mention that, or you're guilty of wishing children were dead, or something.

Even in this very thread, as we're being told we should drop all ideological and political differences and forget they ever tried to screw over New York, we're told that the senators were right to block the Sandy aid because there was more money there than they needed for the disaster.

Oddly enough, none of the hand-wringers jumped on that and said How Dare you say that when people were dying and homeless.

[Skittles]

55. I agree with this assessment

there's a time and a place and now is NOT THE TIME.....my heart is breaking for these people

[baldguy]

62. K&R. Our thoughts & prayers should be with the victims & especially the survivors.

Still, I won't be surprised when GOPrs & Tea Baggers start whining about Obama & the FEMA response.

[KingFlorez]

64. Pointing out hypocrisy isn't a lack of compassion

Both of the state's senator voted no on Sandy Relief and both will like have their hand out for dollars that come mostly from blue and purple states, not 66% Romney ones with low revenue. Relief can't suddenly be okay once their state is effected, that is gross hypocrisy and should be called out loudly.

You get what you elect, it's as simple as that. Elections do have consequences.

[ErikJ]

71. +1

[cherokeeprogressive]

74. H.R. 41 passed the Senate on 1/4/2013 by VOICE VOTE. Wanna stick with the claim they voted nay?

voice vote - A vote in which the presiding officer states the question, then asks those in favor and against to say "Yea" or "Nay," respectively, and announces the result according to his or her judgment. The names or numbers of senators voting on each side are not recorded.

http://www.senate.gov/reference/glossary_term/voice_vote.htm

[KingFlorez]

81. I know my facts on this

I don't know what vote that is, but on the record, 31 Republicans, Inhofe and Coburn included, voted No.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00004

Wanna stick with your claim they voted yes? You've been checked.

[cherokeeprogressive]

97. I'll stand by what I said. I'm not claiming they voted one way or the other. It wasn't recorded.

Click on the All Information link at the page below and read it for yourself. Check me all you like. I'm talking about the SANDY AID bill, called H.R. 41. You're not.

H.R.41
Latest Title: To temporarily increase the borrowing authority of the Federal Emergency Management Agency for carrying out the National Flood Insurance Program.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d113:hr41:

1/4/2013:
Received in the Senate, read twice, considered, read the third time, and passed without amendment by Voice Vote. (consideration: CR S23-24)
1/4/2013:
Message on Senate action sent to the House.
1/4/2013:
Presented to President.
1/6/2013:
Signed by President.
1/6/2013:
Became Public Law No: 113-1.

[KingFlorez]

103. The bill I posted was about Sandy Relief as well

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00004

The other bill, which provided more aid, was rejected by 31 Republicans, included Inhofe and Coburn. I am not incorrect about either senator voting no on Sandy Relief at some point.

[cherokeeprogressive]

111. Great. Your link isn't about Sandy aid though, it's about supplemental appropriations for FY 2013

The Sandy aid bill had already passed. From your link:

Measure H.R. 152

Measure Title: A bill making supplemental appropriations for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2013, and for other purposes.

[KingFlorez]

119. Incorrect

This bill was related to Sandy relief.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00004

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/01/29/1510041/sandy-aid-republican-hypocrites/

When the Senate passed the long-delayed $50.5 billion Hurricane Sandy relief package Monday, 36 Republicans voted against the bill. But of the 32 no-votes from Senators who are not brand-new members, at least 31 came from Republicans who had previously supported emergency aid efforts following disasters in their own states.

It looks like I made a mistake after all, it was 36 Republicans, not 31 that voted no.

And the actual text of the bill that got a roll call vote.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c113:H.R.152:

1 . Disaster Relief Appropriations Act, 2013 (Introduced in House - IH)[H.R.152.IH][PDF]
2 . Making supplemental appropriations for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2013, to improve and streamline disaster assistance for Hurricane Sandy, and for other purposes. (Engrossed in House [Passed House] - EH)[H.R.152.EH][PDF]
3 . Making supplemental appropriations for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2013, to improve and streamline disaster assistance for Hurricane Sandy, and for other purposes. (Received in Senate - RDS)[H.R.152.RDS][PDF]
4 . Making supplemental appropriations for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2013, to improve and streamline disaster assistance for Hurricane Sandy, and for other purposes. (Enrolled Bill [Final as Passed Both House and Senate] - ENR)[H.R.152.ENR][PDF]
5 . Making supplemental appropriations for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2013, to improve and streamline disaster assistance for Hurricane Sandy, and for other purposes. (Placed on Calendar Senate - PCS)[H.R.152.PCS][PDF]

This additional funding was needed, as the first bill had less funding.

[Apophis]

115. + infinity.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

131. who did the children elect?

You're a fucking jerk.

[KingFlorez]

141. I never said children elected anyone, I stated elections have consequences

Which clearly means adults in the situation, since children cannot vote. Name calling is not necessary at all and I just edited part of my post as to not stoop to that level.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

164. You stooped below that level already.

Insults or not, when you politicized dead kids you outed yourself.






you

are

a

jerk


words have consequences also.

[KingFlorez]

172. I have my opinion and you have yours

I'll leave it at that, thank you very much.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

178. "opinion"

No, what you have is hatred and contempt. I wont "leave it at that" because you deserve to be called out.

[cordelia]

168. Too late. You went there.

You've exposed yourself heartless and unkind.

Own it.

[KingFlorez]

174. Heartless and unkind?

I called out hypocrisy of politicians and said states get the politicians that they elect. If Coburn or Inhofe vote no on funding if it's not offset, then the state unfortunately gets the representation it selected. I don't think they will vote no, though.

I find it grossly hypocritical that some Republicans vote no on aid for other states for fiscal discipline, but have their hand out when their own state needs aid. It's the Republicans who are on the side of not giving aid, not me.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

179. give it a rest.

Or take it someplace else.

[lolly]

149. I dunno--who did the children in New York vote for?

Why didn't somebody jump on the poster above who agreed, in this very thread, with the vote against Sandy aid?

Why do we repeatedly let Republicans get away with this double standard without ever calling them on it?

[ForgoTheConsequence]

165. I call them out all the time.

You should too. We should be held to a higher standard.

[proud2BlibKansan]

75. Thank you. I was just getting ready to post the same thing.

Quit being assholes, DUers.

[Hekate]

76. Oklahomans, I am so sorry this is taking place here

I'm so sorry that DU is sheltering such people. I wish some folks would just pack their bags and get the hell off this board. For shame, for shame.

We did not behave that way when New Orleans drowned...

Oklahomans, our tears, prayers, and offers of help are with you tonight and tomorrow and next month. We are all Americans -- we are all human beings.

Hekate

[cherokeeprogressive]

78. This. n/t

[zappaman]

148. I wish I could REC this reply.

+1000!

[Little Star]

79. k&r

[Dawson Leery]

85. Disaster aid should be supported.

If you want to protest against red state welfare WHILE improving the health of the nation, oppose the farm bill.
There should be no subsidies. Corn(syrup) and beef are not good for one's health.

[Logical]

87. lease explain how the posts you are whining about have hurt anyone! n-t

[cherokeeprogressive]

99. No.

[Logical]

101. Thanks! That is what I assumed. n-t

[ErikJ]

88. Direct your anger at the ones who CAUSED this not DU! The Wichita Kansas based Koch brothers.

They are the heart of the Climate Denial machine since Carter's renewable energy program 40 years ago. Print out puctures of all those dead kids and take them to Wichita and FORCE the evil fuckers to look at them.

[Scootaloo]

92. K&R

[winter is coming]

94. I look at is this way:

Job security for Skittles.

[cherokeeprogressive]

100. LOL Too true. n/t

[another_liberal]

113. Save your lectures . . .

Save your lectures for the next time Republicans try to cut funding for FEMA. Remember when their last batch of Presidential hopefuls wanted to eliminate the whole fucking agency! Talk to them about politics not trumping compassion.

Be sure you do that, OK?

[lolly]

152. Shhh. You're not supposed to point that out.

Calling them to account for their actions is a big no no.

[another_liberal]

158. Yeah . . .

When the Conservatives get caught up in the after effects of their uncaring hypocrisy, then it's time for everyone to bury the hatchet and practice forgiveness.

In two weeks they'll be back to slashing any funding that would go for something as "Socialist" as Federal disaster relief, and using the money saved to lower taxes yet further for the one percent.

[Deep13]

118. Glad I don't get involved in the soap opera drama anymore. nt

[liberalmuse]

121. I guess I won't be reading DU today.

Thanks for the warning.

[cordelia]

146. You'll be glad you didn't. n/t

[John2]

122. I'm listening to

representative Cole right now, and he voted for Sandy Aid. You shouldn't condem all Oklahomans, if you can find a few good people. You certainly shouldn't punish kids for Adults' decisions.

This will come up again because there will be a lot more times it will happen. It takes disasters like this to remind people it can happen to anyone. There is no need to rub it in because situations like this speak for itself. The only thing you need to do is let the people of Oklahoma know you are there for them when they needed it. We all have our faults.

[jeff47]

142. And the kids affected by the other natural disasters?

We should just ignore that both senators from OK and almost all of their representatives consistently vote to harm other people's kids?

This will come up again because there will be a lot more times it will happen. It takes disasters like this to remind people it can happen to anyone.

Yeah, that's why all of the congresspeople from Oklahoma voted for Hurricane Sandy aid.

Oh wait.....They said "fuck you and your kids" to the northeast. And they'll continue to be re-elected overwhelmingly despite that.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

167. We shouldn't ignore it.

But there is a time and a place, and there is a tactful way to get your point across.

Here's a little hint since apparently you're too thick to get it.....

The time and the place IS NOT WHEN KIDS ARE STILL BEING PULLED FROM THE RUBBLE!!!!

[jeff47]

169. We tried that. For decades now. It has utterly and completely failed.

Heck, they voted against protecting their own children by voting against requiring schools to have storm shelters.

How, exactly, do you plan to reach them at this nebulous later date?

[ForgoTheConsequence]

170. Get a clue.

YOU are not reaching anyone by being an asshole on the internet.

I don't know what you think you're accomplishing by playing political football in the middle of a crisis but the fact that you have tried to justify it by implying that you're doing some sort of service and "getting a point across" proves how diluted you are.


Go outside, think about the parents who haven't heard from their kids, think about the little kids who may never come home. Turn of the internet, turn off MSNBC, turn off Mike Maloy and the Huffington Post. Regain some of your humanity and then get back to me.

[jeff47]

176. Nice try at deflecting, but you didn't answer the question.

Waiting until later has failed for decades. Literally decades.

So how do you plan to reach them? What are you going to do that is different than what has not worked for decades?

Go outside, think about the parents who haven't heard from their kids

Perhaps those parents should re-consider their "small government" votes that resulted in no storm shelter in their kid's school.

So how do you plan to reach voters who decided to endanger their own children to reduce their taxes?

[deathrind]

128. I feel true...

Empathy for my fellow citizens in Ok. If there was anything I could do mitigate, prevent what happened there is no Mountain I would not move nor Ocean I would not dig. No one deserves the pain and suffering they are going thru tonight. Having said that I have to admit I am conflicted in my heart about the double standard concerning the prevailing attitudes of certain demographics in this country. When things are good you cannot turn a blind eye to the suffering of others and expect them not to do the same if you find yourself in need of help. We are either all in this together or we are not.

[abq e streeter]

132. Thank you !! I was on a jury that held up a partcularly vile post.I was one of 2 "hide it" votes.

I don't know if I'm more appalled at the "they elected republicans, so fuck 'em" (not exact words, but certainly the sentiment) post , or the fact that it was upheld. But the latter is a big reason I participate less and less often here. I'm ashamed of many of my fellow alleged progressives this evening.
Accompanying my "hide it" vote: "While the anger towards those cold hearted republicans and the people who voted for them is understandable, this was cruel and tasteless. For god's sake, bodies of children are still being recovered at this moment."

[Lady Freedom Returns]

150. Using this to point fingers make me SICK!

This is hell on earth! This is time for people to get to work.

YO! Finger pointers! Put that energy to help! Blood drives and collections are needed!

Moore was not the only one hit in these storms. Much are needed in many areas.

[Purveyor]

154. Hear, hear! +1 eom

[jeff47]

157. There's two problems here. The humanitarian problem and the political problem.

The solution to the humanitarian problem is to give aid. And we will.

But that leaves the political problem. Virtually all of Oklahoma's congressional delegation voted against disaster aid to other communities. Oklahomans voted for more suffering in the face of disaster. That can not be ignored.

Oklahomans voted against disaster preparedness, and against regulations that would require real tornado shelters in schools. Hell, they voted against public storm shelters at all. That can not be ignored.

Because ignoring those separates the consequences from action. It continues the treatment of politics as "Real Housewives of DC" instead of the critically important activity it really is.

"What about the kids, the non-citizens or the non-voters??" Well, Oklahomans really didn't have much concern for kids, non-citizens and non-voters located elsewhere. And actions have consequences. Non-voters should be especially abused - they couldn't be bothered to vote for storm shelters, and now 20+ kids are dead.

We need to come up with a way to give aid, while also highlighting this major political problem. Oklahomans need to understand they are getting help despite their votes of "fuck you" to everyone else who has been through a disaster in the last decade or so. Somehow, they need to learn that those votes matter.

And I don't have a good solution to fixing the humanitarian problem and the political problem simultaneously. Denying aid is reprehensible. But so is maintaining the political status quo.

[Bolo Boffin]

160. Politicizing Oklahoma tornadoes is bipartisan.

I'm seeing plenty on both sides on Twitter. It's pretty sad.

[phleshdef]

166. We just have to make it clear that these kind of folks don't represent our side at all.

Democrats/Progressives/Liberals etc... that is NOT the way we think about how society should treat its people. We do not endorse political discrimination for federal aid of any kind. We are not going to endorse punishing people because of their ideology. I don't think such a thing even ties out with the constitution, it definitely doesn't tie out with morality or economic justice.

Everyone needs to take a strong stance against that kind of crap. I'd say the vast majority of us do have our heads on right about it and we just have to make sure that's the dominant message.

[MrSlayer]

173. How will they ever learn the lessons of voting for these idiots?

If they aren't made to deal with the consequences?

Of course no one here wants to deny federal aid to these people but they claim that's what they want in all other cases but their own. They need to be shown the value of their votes.

It's a lesson that will never ever be learned. They'll take the aid and then go back to hating that oppressive "big government" that bailed their asses out…again. Until they need it again.

[Llewlladdwr]

183. Awesome idea!

Let's punish children, fellow Democrats and those who didn't vote at all based purely on the fact that they've suffered a huge tragedy while living in the wrong area. That'll certainly teach them a lesson about compassion!

[Glitterati]

191. Thank goodness

Obama doesn't agree with you. He's already declared the disaster and FEMA is on the way.

THAT'S what a true liberal thinks about at a time like this.

[Douglas Carpenter]

180. there can be scum on the left just as easily as there can be scum on the right

[richmwill]

181. Thank you for this post. I agree with you 100 percent.

Such disgusting behavior by some people, especially the posts you've listed. They're the Fred Phelps of DU in my opinion- I'm sure attention-seeking Fred will say "Thank God for the tornado", and to me the idiots you've cited would be agreeing right along with him- blinded by their own hate-filled politics.

[Rex]

182. One of the worst posts I've seen on DU3

in another thread, had to read it twice to believe someone here and long standing would type such words. Yes, they did and a jury let it stand. I've seen low, but it was a new low I'd never expect here.

[tavalon]

186. Oh, crap, I don't have TV

Bad or really, really bad tornadoes? My heart goes out to the humans lost, dead and frightened and I don't give a hoot what lever they pull.

[cherokeeprogressive]

190. Historic bad. n/t

[tavalon]

193. Yeah, I just googled it

Damn, that is just awful.

[MuseRider]

195. XOXOXO

and a big ole Yes, lets do make them beg for help (another truly despicable post)

I am almost embarrassed to post here after this.

I have been here a long time, as have you, and I have never seen anything like this. Even grave dancing does not rise to this. We are truly gone as a society when we have to thrive on our own short term, ever so superior, "that'll show em" back and forth. Aren't we proud? We sound just like the one's we are angry at. How is that DU? You sound like the teabaggers now. Boy oh boy, something to be proud of there.

Gandhi "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."

When did so very many people become so mean and empty of compassion that they can't hold off their own little pissy feelings until all the children are pulled dead from the school?

[Turborama]

196. Locking

Unanimous consensus of GD hosts is that this violates the "No whining about DU" clause of GD's SOP.

Maybe make a complaint about it to the Admins in ATA instead?