Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

LiberalLovinLug

(14,138 posts)
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 04:27 PM Feb 2012

Boston Bruin Tim Thomas steps in it again

"....On Wednesday, Thomas’ Facebook page again created some news, as the Bruins’ goaltender issued an unsolicited statement in support of Catholics.

“I Stand with the Catholics in the fight for Religious Freedom,” Thomas wrote, followed by a quote from Martin Niemoller.

“In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist,” Niemoller’s quote begins. “Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.”

It’s likely Thomas is referencing the ongoing debate regarding the Obama administration’s decision to require religious organizations — like hospitals and schools — to provide free birth control to employees. The decision has been opposed strongly, with Christianity Today writing an open letter that used the same Niemoller quotes to illustrate its point...."

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/02/08/bruins-thomas-declares-he-stands-with-the-catholics-in-the-fight-for-religious-freedom/



So making available birth control is .....denying freedoms?

This follows his public snub of President Obama at the traditional meeting at the White House for the winning Stanley Cup team. The reason he gave for this?
“I believe the Federal government has grown out of control, threatening the Rights, Liberties, and Property of the People. This is being done at the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial level. This is in direct opposition to the Constitution and the Founding Fathers vision for the Federal government,”



A multi-millionaire teabagger professional sports star. What is particularly appalling is his co-opting of Neimoller's famous quote which spoke about the creeping fascism of Nazi Germany.....to criticize a freedom of choice issue, on the side of NO choice. Not to mention the veiled implication of the present federal government with Nazi Germany.

This story is an example of how insidieous this poisonous fear based idiocy can spread to all professions and incomes.

25 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Boston Bruin Tim Thomas steps in it again (Original Post) LiberalLovinLug Feb 2012 OP
"Free?" KansDem Feb 2012 #1
yep - and most of the affected institutions already provide it rurallib Feb 2012 #2
So CBS Boston isn't truthful in its coverage of this... KansDem Feb 2012 #4
If they do print a correction you won't find it on the front page. You'll find it in very small southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #6
I found it also a bit of a predicative opinion... LiberalLovinLug Feb 2012 #12
Clue to Tim Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #3
Don't agree with Thomas at all, hughee99 Feb 2012 #15
Is it freedom when a private company can force you not to have this coverage? Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #16
The private company can only refuse to pay for it. hughee99 Feb 2012 #19
I'm sorry...I just don't have the same 'free-market' idealism when it comes to healthcare. Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #24
In this case, though, the problem isn't the insurance company. hughee99 Feb 2012 #25
Thomas is a true moron Drale Feb 2012 #5
I am a staunch Bruins fan....and Thomas is on my shit list. Like Curt Schilling... NRaleighLiberal Feb 2012 #7
As a staunch Canucks fan I appreciate your candor. LiberalLovinLug Feb 2012 #13
Go Jets Go! Darth_Kitten Feb 2012 #17
I am nothing if not honest!!! NRaleighLiberal Feb 2012 #21
Is he channeling his inner Glenn Beck here? Initech Feb 2012 #8
He's stopped too many pucks with his head. hifiguy Feb 2012 #9
Go back to your menial work, it's all you are capable of. Dawson Leery Feb 2012 #10
This dipshit needs an elbow to the head. sharp_stick Feb 2012 #11
Tim Thomas better be more concerned with the New York Rangers this year than this stuff... Jello Biafra Feb 2012 #14
Explanation for his idiocy bongbong Feb 2012 #18
Before I read this I didn't know who Tim Thomas is. TroglodyteScholar Feb 2012 #20
Shut up and stop the puck, Tim (n/m) ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2012 #22
HAHAHAHHAA , what a fucking dumbass JI7 Feb 2012 #23

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
1. "Free?"
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 04:34 PM
Feb 2012
It’s likely Thomas is referencing the ongoing debate regarding the Obama administration’s decision to require religious organizations — like hospitals and schools — to provide free birth control to employees. The decision has been opposed strongly, with Christianity Today writing an open letter that used the same Niemoller quotes to illustrate its point.

Isn't this coverage part of the employee health insurance policy?

rurallib

(62,305 posts)
2. yep - and most of the affected institutions already provide it
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 04:37 PM
Feb 2012

in their employee package. Or so I have heard.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
4. So CBS Boston isn't truthful in its coverage of this...
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 04:41 PM
Feb 2012

It should print a "correction" stating BC is part of the employee insurance policy and as such isn't "free."

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
6. If they do print a correction you won't find it on the front page. You'll find it in very small
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 04:49 PM
Feb 2012

print on the 4th or 5th page.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,138 posts)
12. I found it also a bit of a predicative opinion...
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 05:17 PM
Feb 2012

to state his purpose was "in support of Catholics" as opposed to NOT supporting birth control coverage.

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
3. Clue to Tim
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 04:40 PM
Feb 2012

Institutions don't have freedom...human beings do...like the freedom to have BC covered in one's health insurance policy. Love the guy's goaltending skillz...not impressed with his political acumen.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
15. Don't agree with Thomas at all,
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 05:55 PM
Feb 2012

but is it really "freedom" to have the government require a private company pay for BC if you want it. Don't get me wrong, I think insurance companies SHOULD cover it (and financially, it's probably in their best interests to do so. What does a child cost compared to BC?), I just don't think this sort of thing falls in the "freedom" category.

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
16. Is it freedom when a private company can force you not to have this coverage?
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 06:31 PM
Feb 2012

BC has been readily accepted as a legitimate item for coverage...and why not? Insurance companies much prefer to negotiate the volume purchase of pills than pay the costs of having babies. What this private company (or religious institution) is doing is taking away that right to this coverage...forcing the woman/family to pay the $600-$1200 costs per year to get it. You are presently free to exercise the right to use BC or not....allowing a private institution to dictate what it will allow in it's policy is a limitation on that choice. Another reason to get a single payor public health program for all Americans...so our freedoms aren't taking a back seat to the 'freedoms' of a corporation.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
19. The private company can only refuse to pay for it.
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 06:55 PM
Feb 2012

Allowing a private institution to dictate what it will offer IS how business works. I can't buy porn at Walmart, though they do sell other movies. I can't buy Limbaugh, Beck, or O'Reilly books at my local bookstore, though the owner does sell other books, she won't carry these.

Although I believe this is a legitimate function of government, It doesn't fall under the "freedom" category IMHO.

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
24. I'm sorry...I just don't have the same 'free-market' idealism when it comes to healthcare.
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 09:30 PM
Feb 2012

I can live with private institutions deciding what products they will and will not sell. But people can't shop for health insurance coverage without changing jobs...and in a dismal economy, who is going to do that? Readily covered services offered universally should not be left to the whims of a private company/religious institution. Especially if said company/institution is taking tax dollars to provide healthcare services.

What do you know....http://www.democraticunderground.com/101612823 yet another good reason to tell the Catholic Church to stuff it. Or maybe we start taxing them as business, then we can offer to subsidize the BC for people who want and need it. Win!

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
25. In this case, though, the problem isn't the insurance company.
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 09:44 PM
Feb 2012

I'm sure those same insurance companies that probably provide services (Blue Cross, for example) provide BC to other clients. The employers may even have to ASK the insurance companies for a choice of plans that don't offer it. The insurance company is likely NOT the problem here, it's the employer. In any case, I agree that insurance companies should offer BC. It may be a matter of commerce (which the government certainly has a role in regulating), but not "freedom".

Drale

(7,932 posts)
5. Thomas is a true moron
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 04:42 PM
Feb 2012

he's lucky he's a good goaltender because I doubt he's smart enough to support himself any other way.

NRaleighLiberal

(59,912 posts)
7. I am a staunch Bruins fan....and Thomas is on my shit list. Like Curt Schilling...
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 04:52 PM
Feb 2012

Another right wing megaphoner. I just can't stand athletes who take pride in showing their ignorance by shilling for the right wing (shilling? no pun intended, really!)

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
11. This dipshit needs an elbow to the head.
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 05:14 PM
Feb 2012

Brad Marchand is back, he's pretty good at head shots.

Maybe they can get Chara to run him into the glass divider to shut him up.

Jello Biafra

(439 posts)
14. Tim Thomas better be more concerned with the New York Rangers this year than this stuff...
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 05:50 PM
Feb 2012

Tim might be looking at early tee times if he's not focused on winning another cup....

TroglodyteScholar

(5,477 posts)
20. Before I read this I didn't know who Tim Thomas is.
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 07:02 PM
Feb 2012

Tomorrow I'll forget who he is. I can't understand why anyone should care what he thinks at all. Does some random hockey player *really* have standing to tell anyone how this country ought to function? Pssht.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Boston Bruin Tim Thomas s...