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cali

(114,904 posts)
Tue May 14, 2013, 01:38 PM May 2013

so as the Afghanistan war (supposedly) winds down, can anyone tell me what the fuck

was accomplished?

And btw, three more troops were killed yesterday.

war is a racket.

fuck the warmakers.

great article about Afghanistan, troop levels and the never ending shitstorm that is our involvement in Afghanistan:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11371138

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so as the Afghanistan war (supposedly) winds down, can anyone tell me what the fuck (Original Post) cali May 2013 OP
three more troops were killed yesterday. when we people wise up and stop enlisting leftyohiolib May 2013 #1
I can't. Solly Mack May 2013 #2
Taliban/Al Queda zipplewrath May 2013 #3
I'll grant you the former, but NOT the latter cali May 2013 #4
Not sure which is former or latter zipplewrath May 2013 #11
The Taliban is now an insurgency movement and causing considerable damage to the civilian population Luminous Animal May 2013 #5
I hate to repeat myself but +1 cali May 2013 #6
Money trumps peace. Octafish May 2013 #7
Very rich people perpetuated their wealth. RedCappedBandit May 2013 #8
Bingo. Scuba May 2013 #10
There was a nice long war. sibelian May 2013 #9

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
3. Taliban/Al Queda
Tue May 14, 2013, 02:50 PM
May 2013

Without trying to justify anything, the action in Afghanistan accomplished two things. It chased out Al Queda and undermined the structure of that confederation. It also decimated the structure and organization of the Taliban. Ultimately, it chased much of this into Pakistan where we have encountered SOME cooperation from that government. We have been mildly successful in preventing the Taliban from taking back over the power of government in Afghanistan, mostly by propping up the Karzi government instead.

We aren't nearly as "far along" as we got with Iraq, but of course Iraq started out as a much more stable and organized country than Afghanistan. It is dubious that we can continue to support a functioning government there without extensive intervention on our own part. We will maintain some sort of presence there for some time to come.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
4. I'll grant you the former, but NOT the latter
Tue May 14, 2013, 03:00 PM
May 2013

read the BBC article I linked to. The Taliban is alive and well in Afghanistan as well as Pakistan.

And frankly, I don't see success in Iraq.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
11. Not sure which is former or latter
Wed May 15, 2013, 12:05 PM
May 2013

But it is undeniable that the Taliban are not the formal national government in Afghanistan. Prior to our invasion, the controlled the instruments of national government, including the embassies and the seat in the UN. They used diplomatic pouches to transfer all manner of instruments for Al Queada. They were always in Pakistan, and in fact one of Obama's campaign positions (in '08) was that he'd chase 'em there, along with Al Queda.

I don't see "success" in Iraq either, but they are vastly more "stable" than Afghanistan is, by almost any measure. Stable isn't necessarily good, but it is more predictable and usually avoids the worst of government abuses. It is rather tenuous right now and in fact there are some disturbing signs, including the rising autonomy of the Kurdish regions.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
5. The Taliban is now an insurgency movement and causing considerable damage to the civilian population
Tue May 14, 2013, 03:14 PM
May 2013

Iraq is a fucking mess. Civil war, torture, brutal government suppression of the citizenry, massive amounts of refugees.

Today's Iraq:

Jump to March 2013 and that looming 10th anniversary of the US invasion. For me, that's meant two books and too many news articles to count since I first traveled to that country as the world's least "embedded" reporter to blog about a US occupation already spiraling out of control. Today, I work for the Human Rights Department of Al Jazeera English, based out of Doha, Qatar. And once again, so many years later, I've returned to the city where I saw all those bloodied and dying women and children. All these years later, I'm back in Fallujah.

Today, not to put too fine a point on it, Iraq is a failed state, teetering on the brink of another sectarian bloodbath, and beset by chronic political deadlock and economic disaster. Its social fabric has been all but shredded by nearly a decade of brutal occupation by the US military and now by the rule of an Iraqi government rife with sectarian infighting.

Every Friday, for 13 weeks now, hundreds of thousands have demonstrated and prayed on the main highway linking Baghdad and Amman, Jordan, which runs just past the outskirts of this city.

Sunnis in Fallujah and the rest of Iraq's vast Anbar Province are enraged at the government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki because his security forces, still heavily staffed by members of various Shia militias, have been killing or detaining their compatriots from this region, as well as across much of Baghdad. Fallujah's residents now refer to that city as a "big prison," just as they did when it was surrounded and strictly controlled by the Americans.


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/03/living-no-future-ten-years-iraq-invasion?page=1
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